Mounts (not a reward issue)

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10-12-2019, 08:42 AM
Moonlite

Mounts (not a reward issue)

As much as I enjoy stun locking someone onto a mount and killing them. Would it be to much to ask to remove mounts and just give people some sort of pvp sprint instead. It is clearly not something new players get. I hope they get at least as frustrated as I do, as I see them mount up while enemy players are close all the time.

They tweaked other stuff to make PvP more accessible for new players. Why was this not brought up? I get it maybe Japanese are smart enough to not get on their mounts, NA's aren't.
10-12-2019, 08:49 AM
BloodRubyXII

Players lack of intelligence isn't SE's responsibility to fix.
10-12-2019, 09:13 AM
Moonlite

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

Players lack of intelligence isn't SE's responsibility to fix.

We must be drawing a different conclusion from SEs design policy in general not just PvP. But I agree after the first time how do they not figure out the mount is killing them, even after people tell them as well.
10-12-2019, 09:29 AM
Shinklet

they'd still forget to put it on their hotbar.

Casual pvpers are amazing in how they avoid every opportunity to be helped or do better almost as if it's wilful.
10-12-2019, 10:07 AM
Canadane

PvP sprint exists though.
10-12-2019, 10:13 AM
DrWho2010

only on certain classes though, they took it away for a lot of ppl now, didn't they?
10-12-2019, 10:28 AM
Moonlite

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Originally Posted by Canadane

PvP sprint exists though.

I am going to take you at face value and think you are not trying to troll. A better description, a speed boost that would allow the complete removal of mounts from frontlines. If that didn't come across when I said people weren't smart enough to get off of mounts.
10-12-2019, 12:55 PM
BloodRubyXII

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Originally Posted by Canadane

PvP sprint exists though.

Only for melee and it isn't worth an additionals slot compared to some of the other options.
10-12-2019, 02:00 PM
Shinklet

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Originally Posted by Canadane

PvP sprint exists though.

Did you read the post????
10-12-2019, 02:21 PM
Divinemights

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

I am going to take you at face value and think you are not trying to troll. A better description, a speed boost that would allow the complete removal of mounts from frontlines. If that didn't come across when I said people weren't smart enough to get off of mounts.

This PvP system is already the end result of SE bending to the not so smart people. Now, you are asking to bend further because these people can’t figure out what cause their death?
10-12-2019, 03:41 PM
Crit

From the lack of general knowledge of ninja having a shield that blocks damage, to the lack of awareness of being attacked from high ground, to present complaints of healers being unkillable, to mounts slow debuff when hit being unfair

This ain't it corporal
10-14-2019, 08:51 AM
hynaku

How about range classes like bard, machinist, and dancer having such low hp for none caster jobs. Healers and then mages should be ones with least amount of hp. Still find it dumb there doing away with mounts achievements. They should stay for all those that have the garo titles.
10-14-2019, 09:07 AM
BloodRubyXII

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Originally Posted by hynaku

How about range classes like bard, machinist, and dancer having such low hp for none caster jobs.

If you can't see why that exists, you need to stop being in melee range.
10-14-2019, 11:27 AM
Aramyth

I'd like for mounts to not exist in PvP too but not because of the debuff or anything. I just feel like some of the maps are too big and running around on mounts feels weird in arena style PvP.
10-15-2019, 05:11 AM
Ixon

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Originally Posted by Crit

to present complaints of healers being unkillable

Why cant the most targeted role in PVP be the easiest to kill!?
10-15-2019, 11:03 PM
Infindox

The mounts are fine. It's not difficult for a new player to find out and die to it, then realize they should be more careful. Let people learn by experience.
10-16-2019, 05:27 PM
Nanne

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Originally Posted by Ixon

Why cant the most targeted role in PVP be the easiest to kill!?

Why would anyone play healer ever then? I dont think anybody would play a role that has 0 chance fighting anyone and dies to anyone who attacks them. And no "Just stay back" wont work when very mobile jobs like NIN and any tank exist.
10-17-2019, 07:43 AM
Enla

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Why would anyone play healer ever then? I dont think anybody would play a role that has 0 chance fighting anyone and dies to anyone who attacks them. And no "Just stay back" wont work when very mobile jobs like NIN and any tank exist.

Healer in PVP: Exists

Tank in PVP:
https://media2.giphy.com/media/j3sau...tY40/giphy.gif

And really if people are smart about their cooldowns any healer is kill-able, even AST which is in a much stronger place than the other two.

As for the mount issue I'd rather they not remove them given the sheer size of the maps and certainly not because some people are too dumb to realize they need to make distance before mounting.
10-17-2019, 08:54 AM
Moonlite

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Originally Posted by Enla

Healer in PVP: Exists

Tank in PVP:
https://media2.giphy.com/media/j3sau...tY40/giphy.gif

As for the mount issue I'd rather they not remove them given the sheer size of the maps and certainly not because some people are too dumb to realize they need to make distance before mounting.

That is why I am for a non combat sprint that moves mount speed. And you are so right about the dumb. I killed three people today all on mounts trying to run away and I could walk and shoot faster then they could. It just feels SE panders to the lowest common denominator, and I wonder how was this missed.

I am not sure if anyone one dps can solo an astro. I have yet to see one vs one and usally two vs astro that can kill me. That includes melee limit break Maybe that is peoples problem. In HWs any dps class could solo a healer if they had all their cool downs up. But SE likes healers being a little tougher its probably more to do with feast then frontlines. Since in feast it is way harder to stay alive.

Edit also like your tank gif haha
10-17-2019, 10:28 AM
BloodRubyXII

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

In HWs any dps class could solo a healer if they had all their cool downs up.

If the Healer was bad yes, but the game was deeper and you also had more tools to save a healer as a DPS, this isn't even worth discussing; not to write your post off, I'm just sure you can see why.
10-18-2019, 12:18 AM
Commander_Justitia

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

In HWs any dps class could solo a healer

Yeah like once every 3-4minutes, when you used all your buffs for 1 burst. If you failed you would have been useless, while nowadays you get a next shot at it in 20-30s.

The problem is just feast balance vs. frontline balance. They could try to seperate it or give frontline different additional skills that are more fun or another kit on it that unlocks with gc ranks (that are completly useless rn outside of achievements). It would be okay to give people more sprint in frontline, but in Feast it would be kiting hell.
10-21-2019, 03:02 AM
hynaku

Now its hard for even 3 dps to take down a healer. Healer shouldn't take no 3 to kill them. Remember old pvp I could solo kill a healer still can if use blank shot and knock them off top of a cliff. They need to change pvp back to how it was in HW.
10-21-2019, 04:16 AM
Crit

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Now its hard for even 3 dps to take down a healer. Healer shouldn't take no 3 to kill them. Remember old pvp I could solo kill a healer still can if use blank shot and knock them off top of a cliff. They need to change pvp back to how it was in HW.

yes lets revert pvp to an incredibly unbalanced state for the only reason being because i can't solo healers anymore! aww shucks, working as a team sure is hard :////// it must be harder than pressing your pve rotation and one shotting a healer ://///
10-21-2019, 06:18 AM
Nanne

Quote:

Originally Posted by hynaku

Now its hard for even 3 dps to take down a healer. Healer shouldn't take no 3 to kill them. Remember old pvp I could solo kill a healer still can if use blank shot and knock them off top of a cliff. They need to change pvp back to how it was in HW.

So to battle the fact that all dps and tanks solo healers we will have over half of the teams be healers?
10-26-2019, 12:55 AM
Moonlite

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

This PvP system is already the end result of SE bending to the not so smart people. Now, you are asking to bend further because these people can’t figure out what cause their death?

To be a little gloating, not about mounts though. SE has decided that brain dead potatoes PvP. Objectives will now appear 30 seconds before they activate so people can know where to go. No more paying attention or strategic positioning. Just wait for the game to tell the masses where to go.

Also they are increasing mount speed in 5.1. That will just make more people try to mount up. I laughed, I cried.
10-26-2019, 09:54 PM
KageTokage

I'd rather have people start fighting over the nodes/ice in advance then have the game just randomly hand a scoring advantage to one of the teams just because they happened to be sitting right on top of a node that was going to activate.

It's particularly problematic in Seize due to the fact that stealing a node that's already claimed is not an easy task if the team that owns it is half-way competent and actively trying to defend it.