Level 59 "In Node We Trust" MSQ literally unplayable /s

https://i.imgur.com/qvXekXp.png

underlined "and" makes it literally unplayable /s

Sarcasm aside, five thousand and fourteen is a perfectly valid way to write out 5014.

Now if only they'd follow that "write out dialogue as spoken" rule for Garlemald's stupid Roman-numeral legions so my brain can stop trying to read things like "XIVth" as "shiveth".

I think that's a US english thing, skipping the "and". I'm not sure why it would be confusing though.

I don't get it. What's wrong with the "and" and why is the quest unplayable?

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

I think that's a US english thing, skipping the "and". I'm not sure why it would be confusing though.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

I don't get it. What's wrong with the "and" and why is the quest unplayable?

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Because some people (this is not the first) think it's a witty meme to declare any minor issue as "literally unplayable".

There is a special subsection in the forums to report localisation errors or typos if you believe you came across one. You probably want to be a bit more precise and less... funny about what you consider an issue though. I'm not a native english speaker but I fail to see an issue here - aswell as failing to see the need to dish out a missleading headline like this.

Couple points in reply:

1. When writing out a number, generally the and is reserved for the (usually short) numbers after the decimal point. Common examples come up when discussing currency, e.g. dollars and cents -- "I have $135.67" --> "I have one hundred thirty-five dollars and sixty-seven cents." Rarely, technically incorrectly, people have also inserted and as the final whole number item.
While it may seem okay to insert a harmless and if it was just "I have $135" --> "I have one hundred and thirty-five dollars", the awkwardness begins to show when extra "change" items are added (e.g. cents). "I have $135.67" --> "I have one hundred and thirty-five dollars and sixty-seven cents."

2. Imagine if there were many numbers after the decimal point, as in some science article. These are, of course, often left as numbers and not written out.
For the sake of argument, would you write 135.678 as

• "one hundred and thirty-five and six hundred and seventy-eight thousandths" ?
• No, you'd instead write "one hundred thirty-five and six hundred seventy-eight thousandths".

A single and instead of three. Hopefully now you can see where I'm coming from :)

Quick google found this semi-official post as reference https://www.grammarbook.com/numbers/numbers.asp (Rule 8a)

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Rule 8a. When writing out a number of three or more digits, the word and is not necessary. However, use the word and to express any decimal points that may accompany these numbers.

Examples:
one thousand one hundred fifty-four dollars
one thousand one hundred fifty-four dollars and sixty-one cents

Simpler: eleven hundred fifty-four dollars and sixty-one cents

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This source writes "not necessary", implying you can skate by with extra ands, hehe. I can't find a more official free source, like Chicago style or MLA. They seem to hide all their e-manuals behind paywalls =/

3. "/s" is an internet abbreviation for sarcasm. https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoo...t_does_s_mean/
That quest was obviously playable and I was nitpicking the grammar, lightly trolling ;)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Sarcasm aside, five thousand and fourteen is a perfectly valid way to write out 5014.

Now if only they'd follow that "write out dialogue as spoken" rule for Garlemald's stupid Roman-numeral legions so my brain can stop trying to read things like "XIVth" as "shiveth".

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Xiveth (read: Shiveth) would have been such a cool race / society name now that you mention it.

I suppose you think "alarum" is a misspelling, too?

Some grammatical systems call for an "and" wherever you'd write a comma in a number. It's a real rule. It may not be used in situations you're familiar with, and you may not like it, but it's a real rule.

I think it was a joke everyone

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Originally Posted by icy_

the awkwardness begins to show when extra "change" items are added (e.g. cents). "I have $135.67" --> "I have one hundred and thirty-five dollars and sixty-seven cents."

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That is exactly how I would write out that amount - and I'm fairly sure it's how you're expected to write it out on a bank cheque, at least in Australia.

Maybe this is a cultural thing. "One hundred thirty-five" sounds American to me.

In any case, both "one hundred and thirty-five dollars" and "five thousand and fourteen years" are both phrases with a single "and" before they reach some kind of dividing element that brings the number to a clear end-point.

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Originally Posted by icy_

For the sake of argument, would you write 135.678 as

• "one hundred and thirty-five and six hundred and seventy-eight thousandths" ?
• No, you'd instead write "one hundred thirty-five and six hundred seventy-eight thousandths".

A single and instead of three. Hopefully now you can see where I'm coming from :)

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Actually if I was reading out that number I'd say "one-thirty-five point six-seven-eight", but for formally writing it out in full.... I probably would include the "ands". It sounds wrong without them. It just needs pauses in speech, or punctuation in writing.

"One hundred and thirty-five, and five-hundred-and-sixty-eight thousandths."

The third decimal point is what makes unwieldy ("and sixty-eight hundredths" would be fine), and I don't think there is any context where you would have to fully write out a number like that.

If I was going to shorten it, I'd drop the 'hundred' as well as the 'and'. "Five-sixty-eight thousandths".

I have no idea if it's appropriate to use "and" in that context in english but in my native language it is never used with numbers like that and it honestly feels really weird and unnecessary.

Guys/Gals this is a troll thread come on...

I think the "and" is fine in this case, personally. The inclusion of "and" after the words "hundred", "thousand," etc. is used very commonly in informal speech and often shortened to just a 'n in the same way "one" gets shortened to "a". E.g. Instead of saying "one thousand one nights" people say "a thousand 'n one nights." In formal settings, such as writing a cheque or a science paper or a news article, the "and" is not needed except for potential clarity and to indicate the decimal place. This is from my point of view as a western Canadian speaker of English which may vary from other's experiences since there is likely a lot of cultural variation to this even within a single country, and as with all English "rules," exceptions abound and are broken in large numbers.

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

Guys/Gals this is a troll thread come on...

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Meh. It was a joke thread, not a troll thread imo. Regardless, I find the topic of grammar interesting so I'm happy to chat about it whatever the intentions of the OP were.