Just met a perma invisible NIN in Frontline while attacking

It's all in the title and I'd like to know if I'm the only one who ever met such a bug/cheat/behaviour in PvP. I tried to get a monolith, which I did, then right after, an opponent AST captured it while I've been followed by an invisible Ninja who killed me while I couldn't focus it at all nor see it (I spammed tab and move the camera all around, we were really alone, nothing to confuse me or obstruct my sight). I have the name and the battle log but I think we're not allowed to give names when complaining about such behaviour in game (and maybe was just a bug).

Ye it's a bug. It's client sided so others can still see him. Happened in feast too, it's very rare.

Thank you a lot for the answer, I hope no one found a way to exploit it.

Yesterday saw a machinist on the other side of land mass targeting ones and shooting thru it or he was inside it. Also yesterday saw a ninja where every attack did to him did zero damage and heavy didn't even work on him. Seen a bard other day fully heal them self with no other members around them and was running away at the time. Another time tried to attack a ninja and said invalid target wouldn't let you attack him but he could attack you. Saw ones using aim bot in pvp. Yoshi need to start looking into all these cheaters in pvp because it is wrecking it for all others. I don't think that's a bug because have seen it to much on blade and soul in there pvp. Where a summoner and there pet would be permanent invisible after using the skill. Also seen that used on Aion in the past and here in frontlines.

Never seen most of these bugs ever, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say lack of awareness from these observations

It is your hardware can’t handle the mass 72 men PvP. Go to your setting and turn off the effects from non party

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Saw ones using aim bot in pvp.

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How can this even be a thing and what exactly should it do? It's not like you need to aim or anything in the first place.

You can't "aim" bot in PvP, but there are definitely bots that can auto-target low HP targets for the sake of getting kills or keeping people alive with heals.

The standard PvP bots all do this so they can make themselves slightly useful despite lacking a functional brain and any degree of situational awareness.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Yesterday saw a machinist on the other side of land mass targeting ones and shooting thru it or he was inside it. Also yesterday saw a ninja where every attack did to him did zero damage and heavy didn't even work on him. Seen a bard other day fully heal them self with no other members around them and was running away at the time. Another time tried to attack a ninja and said invalid target wouldn't let you attack him but he could attack you. Saw ones using aim bot in pvp. Yoshi need to start looking into all these cheaters in pvp because it is wrecking it for all others. I don't think that's a bug because have seen it to much on blade and soul in there pvp. Where a summoner and there pet would be permanent invisible after using the skill. Also seen that used on Aion in the past and here in frontlines.

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Please get some more experience in pvp. Then check if it is still the same. Ninja could have cc resistance, they have their own shield so attacking them does 0 dmg for 30s if not broken. They can use sprint and they can use shikuchi to jump far away 2 times. If people are out of combat long enough they will autoheal to 100%, maybe check battle log if there was not another healer somewhere or redmage healing him. Do you autofacetarget targets? If it says invalid target you atleast must have looked at him, was line of sight given, was there a height difference? Was he out of range? Are you using macros? I could go on and ask more and more but, the thing is you haven't thought about all this yet so it is more likely that there wasn't a glitch or hack, but just you not understanding what happened really. These quick conclusions happen to the best people in PvP though, don't worry.

And ok KageTokage show me one of those aimbots please. I doubt you want or can, but even if they exist, they have no value in PvP lol killsniping isn't what makes u win and would be hard even if such a bot exists. I haven't seen bots since stormblood release btw.

And to OP again, I reported that bug even a year ago, wasn't accepted though pepehands
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4482/ninja.png

You can see the spinning edge on me and hyoton (but its a range skill so whatever, still ninja skill though). In the enemy party list you see him grayed out and my macros that target him show the error "Target not in line of sight". The ninja infront of me is my teammember. The thing is he has a ninja dot on him from my team, so he is definetly attackable by my team, just cant be seen(therefore its clientsided for me only). So this bug totally exists. Because this guy was/is the best ninja player on chaos back then, he clearly doesn't need to hack

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Please get some more experience in pvp. Then check if it is still the same. Ninja could have cc resistance, they have their own shield so attacking them does 0 dmg for 30s if not broken. They can use sprint and they can use shikuchi to jump far away 2 times. If people are out of combat long enough they will autoheal to 100%, maybe check battle log if there was not another healer somewhere or redmage healing him. Do you autofacetarget targets? If it says invalid target you atleast must have looked at him, was line of sight given, was there a height difference? Was he out of range? Are you using macros? I could go on and ask more and more but, the thing is you haven't thought about all this yet so it is more likely that there wasn't a glitch or hack, but just you not understanding what happened really. These quick conclusions happen to the best people in PvP though, don't worry.

And ok KageTokage show me one of those aimbots please. I doubt you want or can, but even if they exist, they have no value in PvP lol killsniping isn't what makes u win and would be hard even if such a bot exists. I haven't seen bots since stormblood release btw.

And to OP again, I reported that bug even a year ago, wasn't accepted though pepehands
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4482/ninja.png

You can see the spinning edge on me and hyoton (but its a range skill so whatever, still ninja skill though). In the enemy party list you see him grayed out and my macros that target him show the error "Target not in line of sight". The ninja infront of me is my teammember. The thing is he has a ninja dot on him from my team, so he is definetly attackable by my team, just cant be seen(therefore its clientsided for me only). So this bug totally exists. Because this guy was/is the best ninja player on chaos back then, he clearly doesn't need to hack

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I have done over 1000 fontline duties. Sounds like to me your one of those cheaters if you make an excuse like that. I have lots of screen shots . Like today saw ones jump off a cliff and not take any dmg when attacking them. More than just me that sees when happens. One that said invalid target how not looking at him when he right in front of you and not moving then you keep trying to attack and says invalid target even when he gets off and starts attacking you. Sure not my pc when get over 200+ fps in pvp when there bunch together attacking. Tell me this how does one get inside middle of a huge land rock and attack players from inside it with out using some cheat.

You guys should record footage of cheaters if possible, like download streamlabs obs and just hit record or something

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

And ok KageTokage show me one of those aimbots please. I doubt you want or can, but even if they exist, they have no value in PvP lol killsniping isn't what makes u win and would be hard even if such a bot exists. I haven't seen bots since stormblood release btw.

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It's not like I could realistically prove someone is using one, but from observing PvE bots they have a definite capacity for prioritizing targets based off of their current HP percentage. Adapting it to work in PvP situations would be extremely simple and could even just effectively be turned into a "target lowest HP enemy/ally" hotkey if someone wanted.

It's mostly observable with heal bots as they'll instantly start spamming heals on you if you, say, change your job from DoL/H to DoW/M near them which puts your HP into a "critical" threshold. I typically encountered them in Eureka or outside PotD/HoH.

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

You guys should record footage of cheaters if possible, like download streamlabs obs and just hit record or something

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Believe it or not GMs don't take that evidence.
Or at least say they do not. They say it could be doctored though the likely real reason is client-side issues could look like cheating and recordings do not show the whole picture.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Believe it or not GMs don't take that evidence.
Or at least say they do not. They say it could be doctored though the likely real reason is client-side issues could look like cheating and recordings do not show the whole picture.

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Not only are you wrong but you're missing the point of what I said.

It'd be pretty useful for us to be able to help a player out if they had footage of a seemingly Invincible player and help explain what happened.

Maybe the nin is a legitimate hacking or just cycled fetter ward and bunshin to look like he had no damage taken or cc for example.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I have done over 1000 fontline duties. Sounds like to me your one of those cheaters if you make an excuse like that. I have lots of screen shots . Like today saw ones jump off a cliff and not take any dmg when attacking them. More than just me that sees when happens. One that said invalid target how not looking at him when he right in front of you and not moving then you keep trying to attack and says invalid target even when he gets off and starts attacking you. Sure not my pc when get over 200+ fps in pvp when there bunch together attacking. Tell me this how does one get inside middle of a huge land rock and attack players from inside it with out using some cheat.

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There are intelligent exploits with gap closers to negate fall damage, it's very precise timing that is often triggered by luck but abuse of server ticks, it's not cheating, tell SE to reconstruct the game's foundation from the ground up.

Attacking someone in front of you with an error seems more of a ping issue because again, tell SE to fix their game lol

Can't justify any of those **odd** observations without proof, it seems too unrealistic

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Originally Posted by hynaku

[....] Sounds like to me your one of those cheaters if you make an excuse like that. [...] One that said invalid target how not looking at him when he right in front of you and not moving then you keep trying to attack and says invalid target even when he gets off and starts attacking you.

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Yeah, I'm a cheater you got me. :)

If he was not moving he is just a player who dc and logged back, they cant be attacked until they fully loaded back into the game. Their model however already shows to all other players. I can only recommend recording like Sors advised, yeah there are a few cheater out there and bots potentially, but not everything you don't understand is one (and people are jumping the gun fast, like in most PvP games where they lose).

I don't think "aimbots" would be useful if anybody is using them, cause of the lag and server ticks of this game (the moment you aim at somebody with low HP - he is probably already dead), to efficiently target and hit them you would have to play a range class too. Which is atm already a handicap cause they take 30% more damage and deal 15% less damage than melee. That's why its pretty hilarious to hear of aimbots in PvP, first time I heard it too.xD

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Originally Posted by Fannah

Thank you a lot for the answer, I hope no one found a way to exploit it.

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As far as I know, the glitch is caused by the player experiencing it, so it would be hard for a player to really exploit it, since the person benefiting from it isn't the person initiating it. From what I've heard, it's caused when you attack a Ninja right as they gain their hidden effect; Client side, you hit them and cancelled Hide. Server side, the Ninja got Hide off and you shouldn't have been able to even target them. Client updates with server side information (namely, that the Ninja is hidden) and... Gets confused, I guess? Who knows with SEs spaghetti coding, either way the result is the Ninja remaining hidden for your client.

The NIN invisible bug is very rare and hasn't been fully fixed yet, I remember seeing it in a ranked Feast match one time where the player (who I know as a friend) was invisible showed what it was like on their view and they were perfectly normal on their screen but nobody could see them, I probably was in the same match as Ash as well when it happened. I've only seen it once or twice so at least its a rare bug and not a exploit that's going around.

Also Aimbot in FF, I've heard it all now lmao :D

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

Not only are you wrong but you're missing the point of what I said.

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Every time I’ve included video they had never accepted my video with some canned response about it :(

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Every time I’ve included video they had never accepted my video with some canned response about it :(

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https://www.reddit.com/user/se_kahuna

Kahuna used to take reports of bugs (mainly connectivity issues) and such from /r/ffxiv fairly often

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Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia

Yeah, I'm a cheater you got me. :)

If he was not moving he is just a player who dc and logged back, they cant be attacked until they fully loaded back into the game. Their model however already shows to all other players. I can only recommend recording like Sors advised, yeah there are a few cheater out there and bots potentially, but not everything you don't understand is one (and people are jumping the gun fast, like in most PvP games where they lose).

I don't think "aimbots" would be useful if anybody is using them, cause of the lag and server ticks of this game (the moment you aim at somebody with low HP - he is probably already dead), to efficiently target and hit them you would have to play a range class too. Which is atm already a handicap cause they take 30% more damage and deal 15% less damage than melee. That's why its pretty hilarious to hear of aimbots in PvP, first time I heard it too.xD

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Did you even read whole thing?. I said he got off his mount and starting attacking me and still said invalid target and never could hit him. Your invincibility end when do any action other than moving.

Thank you all for your answers.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Did you even read whole thing?. I said he got off his mount and starting attacking me and still said invalid target and never could hit him. Your invincibility end when do any action other than moving.

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Invincibility doesn't end (anymore?) when someone get off his/her mount and starts attacking. Now you can really fight an invincible person as long as the 15sec of invincibility are not over, which makes some people feel like an unfair thing cause those people can reach their base and defend it while still invincible.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

As far as I know, the glitch is caused by the player experiencing it, so it would be hard for a player to really exploit it, since the person benefiting from it isn't the person initiating it. From what I've heard, it's caused when you attack a Ninja right as they gain their hidden effect; Client side, you hit them and cancelled Hide. Server side, the Ninja got Hide off and you shouldn't have been able to even target them. Client updates with server side information (namely, that the Ninja is hidden) and... Gets confused, I guess? Who knows with SEs spaghetti coding, either way the result is the Ninja remaining hidden for your client.

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That's easy to experience in duel at Wolves Den, then, I'll see how it goes. But I'm afraid it wasn't that (maybe it was), as I'm Monk (so melee) and from what I remember, I didn't use my dash attacks against him as I was only trying to escape (I would be ignorant if I were trying to duel a healer (without any cliff around to give hope)).

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Originally Posted by Fannah

That's easy to experience in duel at Wolves Den, then, I'll see how it goes. But I'm afraid it wasn't that (maybe it was), as I'm Monk (so melee) and from what I remember, I didn't use my dash attacks against him as I was only trying to escape (I would be ignorant if I were trying to duel a healer (without any cliff around to give hope)).

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If you played enough pvp or ffxiv in genera you would know that he/she probably had the name Jalin. That name can cause bugs and even allow players to exploit glitches caused by using the name Jalin. It really is pathetic how they have not removed it since the release of ffxiv.