Future of Trust System

Hi, I already maxed out all Trust member and got those old costume and title. For all I see this system after maxed out it seems it no longer have future and if it does have one probably not rewarding enough to encourage player to use them.

Use them to farm equipment/glamour for future dungeon?
No, they only can go MSQ dungeon and their DPS is too low that you had to do per run about 30 minutes. It is not very ideal for farm run.

Will add more NPC to choose?
No, nobody want to run again for future to level them up unless they put reward like mount, still not ideal.

Will it be implement of old dungeon?
Impossible, because those NPC is stuck in Norvant. Old dungeon is in the source. Plus developer need to program one by one dungeon.

Custom glamours for those NPC
Mehhhh... You not even dress up Kurenai and still dreaming to Glamour NPC that you will bring back to dungeon after they maxed out.

Ryne finally become Ninja?
Why she not even a Ninja to begin with? Already too late to change her class now after maxed out.

Is it possible FFXIV developer implement special currency for trust system and have special shop?
If they does, cursed them. After all those struggle then you suddenly need to go again with 0 of that currency, too late.


So, you guys have any idea of this system future?

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Originally Posted by Saberlink

Ryne finally become Ninja?
Why she not even a Ninja to begin with? Already too late to change her class now after maxed out.

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Why would she become a Ninja when she's not a Rogue? ;)

1. You can easily lvl different jobs.
2. You can do all future MSQ Dungeons with trust.
3. SE will check the numbers how much trusts are used, if the number is high enough it will get constant updates.
4. The trust system is optional content like everything except MSQ in this game.

I hope they will raise the dps of trusts later for dungeons when those dungeons get less relevant.
I also hope they will close the lvl 61-70 gap between squadron and trusts, soon.

Sometimes i enjoy half-afk-netflix-dungeon-runs but i don´t want to bother other players; the trusts are perfect for that.

True enough. She is an Oracle of light

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Originally Posted by Laphael

1. You can easily lvl different jobs.
2. You can do all future MSQ Dungeons with trust.
3. SE will check the numbers how much trusts are used, if the number is high enough it will get constant updates.
4. The trust system is optional content like everything except MSQ in this game.

I hope they will raise the dps of trusts later for dungeons when those dungeons get less relevant.
I also hope they will close the lvl 61-70 gap between squadron and trusts, soon.

Sometimes i enjoy half-afk-netflix-dungeon-runs but i don´t want to bother other players; the trusts are perfect for that.

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It is good for those who want to chill. Hope we see more of this

I dunno, I personally enjoyed it for what it is. I got two jobs from 71-80 (BLM & DRK) using only Trusts and occasionally use them to get tomes from Amaraut when I'm not feeling social.

They're perfect for glamour farming as while you get reduced loot you also get all loot, especially important since weapons in ShB for whatever reason aren't part of the gearset pool given to you at dungeon completion.

I enjoy the banter and personality of each character (though wish Urianger wouldn't get so distracted sometimes). Dohn Mheg is especially great for that alone.

As for the future - using trusts for older content is entirely viable if unlikely. Breaking immersion for who was around and wasn't is already possible currently. It's already been confirmed 5.1 MSQ stuff will allow trusts to be used regardless of if you leveled them or not. I think it'd be perfect for New Game+ though there's been no word on this. I also think having a greater variety of characters would improve it (there's already 2 characters built for the system but excluded for whatever reason, that we know of).

Preset glamours are probably to avoid the obvious sexualization of Shtola (which the game already does all the bloody time) and to avoid bikini Alisae. I'd enjoy it personally, but I don't bikini everything in the game. I did especially hate the custom delivery glamour system being objectively worse than the squadron glamour system.

If they give it decent attention it can evolve into a great way to experience a lot of the game solo with your favorite characters. When it was first announced, I thought of FFXI trusts. It definitely isn't that but I'd like to see it become something as applicable and better.

Trust has potential, which needs to get fully fleshed out in the whole game.
ARR, HW and SB need to get updated to SH Standards by making it possible to use Trust in generally all dungeons of the game paticularly with naturally only those Scion NPC's which were backt at the time in those places.

Saying that Trust can't get updated to old Dungeons, only because of the Scions being CURRENTLY in the First, is just absolute utter nonsense, because whenever a player is playing instanced content like dungeons, those instances are basically time lapsed as you will alway repeat the same history of your character's past, as if you'd just do the content for your first time, despite of having actually progressed in the game's story much further already.

So, the point is, SE is free anytime to add Trust retroactively to the whole game, the only limit is it, to keep the system authentic, by allowing us to use for each story chapter to use only those characters, which were there back at the time, when the old content wasn't outdated by now.

ARR > Cid, Biggs, Wedge, Yda, Papalymo, Minfilia, Thancred to a certain Point, Y'shtola, Alphinaud, Alisae, Grey Rock and his Caster Friend, F'lhaminn thats enough
HW > adds Estinien, Moenbryda to a certain point, Hilda, Ysaile to a certain point, the Fortemps
SB > adds Yugiri, Hien, Gosetsu to a certain point, Lyse, Papalymo goes

The game should basically offer everywhere enough Trust NPCs to your side, that you just need to have any time a tank, a healer and two dps with you, whats easily doable
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I do hope, that with upcoming content patches will be added more Trust NPCs from the previous expansions

Estinien, Lyse, Hien, Yugiri, Gaius, Cid, Krile, Hilda if not Cid, F'lhaminn, Grey Rock are a must, together with Thancred getting changed by the Oracle of Darkness into a Dark Knight, so that Gaius can take over being the Gunbreakar for upcoming Trust Content and Grey Rock being the Paladin or Warrior Option

F'lhaminn becomes the Trust Dancer, Cid/Hilda is Machinist, Hien is Samurai, Yugiri is Ninja, Lyse is Monk, Krile is Summoner. SE needs only to introduce a new story character, which will become the Trust Bard with 5.1. to make it nearly complete to have basically for each job then a Trust NPC for you group.
Only missing a Whitemage and a either Warrior or Paladin depending on what would SE do out of Grey Rock, his Caster Friend at least could theoretically become the Whitemage, after having teached Alisae later how to become a Redmage.

These characters have all such great potential of being under trust epic heroic allies for you to be your big troop of adventuring heroes alongside of you the WoL, like what Renda Rae, Lamitt, Cylva, Nylment and Brendan were so to say for Ardbert, just in smaller.

they have to program AI specifically, and it likely takes a long time so i can't see trusts being added to old content anytime soon.

Why Ryne is no Ninja, besides of you having answered already your own question for yourself by the correct answer is, that she is in fact an Oracle.
It's just dumb only that SE hasn't given her a kind of unique weapon type and skills to show that her fighting style is different and not like that of a basic class of the Ninja Job with it's daggers, which is why you assumed she should be a Ninja, when in fact we have with Yugiri already an awesome cute sexy n loyal Ninja there, sadly just not useable yet for Trust, cause so far she's still in the Origin. But like said, hopefully more of the older heroes join later to give us Trust Members for each job, except Bluemage.Only weird decision in my opinion was it to call Alphinaud a Healer, instead of Scholar, but I guess thats because of his unique Carbuncle. If that stays so, should add SE rather a Scholar and change Alphinaus Symbol to that of a Whitemage as "Healer".

Aside of these finetunings, the future of Trust is defenetely to get first rolled out step by step to the whole game, to synchronize this feature with ghe complete game to oned shared together Status Quo.

Once this goal has been reached first, then we can see further, how SE can make Trust rewarding enough, until the next expansion comes 2021.

It's just taking the already existing SH Trust AI and teaching npcs how to react best on boss mechanics perfectly, like they mostly already nearly always do that in SH dungeons, thats no rocket science for developers suddenly to repeat that kind of work with the older dungeons. However, it's naturally a task, which requires time and just isn't done simply so by over night. But stuff like that doesn't take ages, if you have already all the assets and the functionizing AI program, to reuse them on older content

Does it mean effort? YES, is it impossible? NOOOO

They also have to write and program in all the character nuances too. the possible interactions with different people, their text they say, etc.

I think Trusts were an awesome option, to encourage people to get to play a dungeon before going to play with other players (encourage mostly for healers and tankers, but DPS do bring a faster queu... it may take a bit more time but who's not in a rush to do nothing, that's not a huge deal...)

i just want the option to take my trust into deep dungeons.

They actually getting updated for next dungeon. I just hope NPC from the Nier raid can be a guest in Trust system.

I usually clean my apartment while doing trust as a healer.
Usually a macro is enough to keep the groupe alive for about 2min.

Trusts died. The moment I tried to use them and realised I had to level them up.

I never touched them in the msq as always ran dungeons with my friends. Then came a point where I was about 77 o a job had some time to kill and thought I'd take my trusts through maybe score some gear upgrades only to find I couldn't queue without going all the way back to 71 and levelling them up.... sod that.

Never looked st them since.

Kinda like squadrons. They Dont really do very much.

i used one set to level gunbreaker to 80, the other set to level dancer to 80. worked for me. all of them are now 80. the exp boost makes so they even outlevel you for a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Trusts died. The moment I tried to use them and realised I had to level them up.

I never touched them in the msq as always ran dungeons with my friends. Then came a point where I was about 77 o a job had some time to kill and thought I'd take my trusts through maybe score some gear upgrades only to find I couldn't queue without going all the way back to 71 and levelling them up.... sod that.

Never looked st them since.

Kinda like squadrons. They Dont really do very much.

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I do think squadron have more function compare to trust plus Squadron is important to someone who not in FC as the buff item get from them quite similar to FC buff.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

I usually clean my apartment while doing trust as a healer.
Usually a macro is enough to keep the groupe alive for about 2min.

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Actually last time I do similar thing such as doing laundry and others while having Trust member to DPS the mob

I got my PLD from 71 to 80 using trusts. Leveling my RDM and DNC that way as well. Eventually many other jobs will be leveled that way. I intend to use trusts quite a bit.

The trust system looks awesome.

One of my 1st jobs was BST, in FFXI. BST went against standard mmo convention.

"Why play an mmo by yourself"

"You cannot play an mmo by yourself"

I pretty much played FFXI Solo during the early 2000s for years. Others would team up for AF gear, I would solo mines lol. In a way, BST may have paved the way for limited jobs.

MMO have 2 components, solo and grouping, neither should feel forced upon the player. Although an mmo is a multiplayer game, that does not mean one should be forced to group up. Just like any other multiplayer game, grouping can be optional. As the directors alluded to, maybe someone likes FF, and wants to try FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Saberlink

I do think squadron have more function compare to trust plus Squadron is important to someone who not in FC as the buff item get from them quite similar to FC buff.

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Squadron at least can be a nice secondary source of EXP manuals and pre-80 gathering/crafting scrips.

Endgame Trusts I feel they went the wrong way about doing it. Instead of having to raise their experience level, which means most people will be stuck only being able to Holminster Switch if they don't grind them, have their level be synced to the dungeon and have running them raise a relationship level or something. Make the AI more efficient as you fight with them, and have them do flavor dialogue and give you gifts as you rank them up. Also the ability to bring one into the Open World (and consequently, have your Company Chocobo able to become a proper dungeon trust) would be neat. If only because it gives us more interaction with the characters (and a chance to do something with this bird we worked so hard to raise).

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Originally Posted by Saberlink

Will it be implement of old dungeon?
Impossible, because those NPC is stuck in Norvant. Old dungeon is in the source. Plus developer need to program one by one dungeon.

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You realize those NPCs aren't stuck in Norvrandt at the time you did the old dungeons right?
Chronologically speaking you are not attending old dungeons over and over again.