Leveling is way to boring (70-80)

I wish there would be more variety of reasonable options to lvl your char. Right now there are only 3 daily roulettes that are worth the time and the normal dungeons.

You could maybe count until 73 HoH (21-30) in, because it gives nearly the same xp as the 71 dungeon (in the same time) if you include the waiting time.

They should add another deep or rework the xp you get from them and frontlines in a way that scales with your lvl and is equal to dungeons. Maybe 2 (or 2 1/2) frontlines or HoH = Dungeon.

It would be cool if there where some kind of Mini Games that give you a bit xp while you spend your time in the que. Also it would be really nice if i could que up for frontline roulette and dungeons at the same time (in fact queing for more than one roulette at the same time would be great).

Do your daily hunts from Clan Nutsy (this is like 5 mill + a day) and then Fates while you wait on queues.

Ananta and Koijin tribe dailies will also bet you about a mill each per day.

You have plenty of options. This isn’t like early ARR where dailies didn’t exist, dungeons gave very little, and you had to resort to hours and hours of fates to make progress.

They really can't rework Frontlines in a meaningful way because it'll just flood the mode with bots again. That's the main reason it's experience gains were nerfed the first time. There were /way/ too many matches where bots would just sit and feed the other team because even last place provided enough experience to be worth it to the bot runner. I'd love it if it was a worthwhile avenue to gain experience, as it was perhaps my favorite way to level some classes I otherwise despised in PVE, but unless SE finds better ways to discourage the bot players aside from vigilance on the part of the people they queue with it's just not going to happen.

At least this time around Fates are legitimately worth the hassle and provide a decent enough change in pace to be a good break from roulettes from 70-80. Though I honestly wouldn't mind if they took a page from GW2 and gave us a few more 'joke' fates like their Renowned Hearts to further break up the monotony. Where there's more than one way to contribute and not all of them are combat focused, like instead of defeating invading spiders you can clear away their webs instead if you want to, or do both or neither and instead pursue a third or even fourth option. I wouldn't want SE to go ham on something like that and I don't know how well it'd fit but I do remember the Renowned Hearts pretty fondly from my time back in GW2 because they made the leveling grind a bit less soul crushing.

All that said, like Meowing put it though we do have options at the very least. They might not all be enticing but you can rotate between them if one bothers you more than the others on a particular day.

Boosting exp gained from fates would be nice. Feels like you get too little for the time they take to do.

Trusts while a bit repetitive are by far the best way to level DPS classes by virtue of letting you skip the oft-lengthy queue times.

Hm i never really bothered with these clan hunts. I just looked at them once when they where introduced into the game. They looked way to confusing and time consuming for me for the little xp they gave, so i never tried them again since the.
As for the trust system, i heard that once you die its a complete wipe and you need to start over. Thats a no go for me so i never touched it. And for the Fates i see it like Twiibie they need a Xp boost, they give way to little for the time it takes to finish one solo at your current lvl.

But i like the idea of some funny minigames like in GW2 or maybe like some dailies in WoW where you have to do a bombing run or just some delivery from point a to point b without fighting but with a time window.

Yup. Leveling can be approached in several ways. You skip things without trying at your own risk.

Part of the game in this game is finding the most efficient way to level things for yourself/your play style.

IMO it's something that other games made us lose, by always pointing us to one and one path only. Playing FFXIV really made me aware and broke me free from the western MMO conventions. Not saying this is your case, but it was mine.

I guess you can say that i'm guilty of always looking for the most efficient way and hate it when i get the feeling of wasting my time (and i clearly get that from fates). Don't get me wrong i also think there are already some nice other things in game that you could do besides Roulettes and normal Dungeons (like Squadron or the fates) but there are way to inefficient and i really have a hard time to understand why SE can't fix that (they just need to raise the xp reward for most of those stuff).

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Originally Posted by Missbone

As for the trust system, i heard that once you die its a complete wipe and you need to start over..

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If you get KO'd, you get booted to the start of the dungeon instantly with no chance to be revived.

The trusts compensate for it with slightly overpowered heals that basically ensure you'll never die if you aren't getting one-shot or pulling too many mobs at the same time, though.

I do FATES, all roulettes, hunts, and trusts daily. I am 8 levels from every job at 80. If you don't want to do it that is up to you. This way does work though and works well. Oh one more thing. I have never been bored during this process.

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Originally Posted by TwiibieTwuu

Boosting exp gained from fates would be nice. Feels like you get too little for the time they take to do.

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Make The Forlorn (not Forlorn Maiden) show up more often. D:

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Originally Posted by Enla

They really can't rework Frontlines in a meaningful way because it'll just flood the mode with bots again. That's the main reason it's experience gains were nerfed the first time. There were /way/ too many matches where bots would just sit and feed the other team because even last place provided enough experience to be worth it to the bot runner. I'd love it if it was a worthwhile avenue to gain experience, as it was perhaps my favorite way to level some classes I otherwise despised in PVE, but unless SE finds better ways to discourage the bot players aside from vigilance on the part of the people they queue with it's just not going to happen.

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Yeah we dont have bots feeding in pvp anymore.Just normal players feeding in it whole time to join it for rewards and xp.Honestly xp should be removed compeltly from pvp.

Just about anything will get boring if you do it over and over again. This includes the most efficient means to acquiring exp. You gotta mix it up even if another method isn't the best use of your time, because from my experience focusing too much on optimization and efficiency begins to cut into my enjoyment of leveling a job; or rather, make it more arduous that it has to be.

IOW if you like doing combat leves, FATES, or other means of getting exp outside of spamming roulettes and dungeons then do them. I am of a mind that if you are not doing something you enjoy in the game, then you are not making the best use of your dollar to play this game. As an example, I always craft my own gear during the leveling process. To gather all the materials needed and then craft it is not the most efficient use of my playtime by any means when I have the gil to just buy it all off of the MB, or even use the HQ stuff a little longer as the game design allows. But I really enjoy doing it. I do not enjoy spamming roulettes at all. I do them only because they are a daily bonus that also provide other rewards on top of the exp.

The other thing is rushing. I think a lot of people underestimate how detrimental this is to just about anything. If you are the type of player with a mentality that all the enjoyable stuff is at endgame, then there is absolutely zero that can be done to make leveling fun for you. The best you're going to get is 'less boring'.

Battlecraft leves aren't a thing once you hit level 60. I wish they were, but I was told that apparently combat classes have too many ways to gain experience already?

MSQ Roulette alone is worth half a level a day, plus plenty of Poetics for getting other jobs geared up and ready to roll (or buying stuff to sell, if you don't need the gear).

Eventually there'll be another deep dungeon and beast tribes. Right now, just take it easy.

Yea im the type of player that thinks that the real fun in any mmo always starts with max lvl. That's why i always try to max my classes as fast as possible. Sure the first 3-4 where not that bad, but once you have finished all the classes you like lvling becomes nothing more than a necessary pain. At Least i have only 4 classes left, so maybe at the end of the month i can finally enjoy this game more again.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Just about anything will get boring if you do it over and over again. This includes the most efficient means to acquiring exp. You gotta mix it up even if another method isn't the best use of your time, because from my experience focusing too much on optimization and efficiency begins to cut into my enjoyment of leveling a job; or rather, make it more arduous that it has to be.

IOW if you like doing combat leves, FATES, or other means of getting exp outside of spamming roulettes and dungeons then do them. I am of a mind that if you are not doing something you enjoy in the game, then you are not making the best use of your dollar to play this game. As an example, I always craft my own gear during the leveling process. To gather all the materials needed and then craft it is not the most efficient use of my playtime by any means when I have the gil to just buy it all off of the MB, or even use the HQ stuff a little longer as the game design allows. But I really enjoy doing it. I do not enjoy spamming roulettes at all. I do them only because they are a daily bonus that also provide other rewards on top of the exp.

The other thing is rushing. I think a lot of people underestimate how detrimental this is to just about anything. If you are the type of player with a mentality that all the enjoyable stuff is at endgame, then there is absolutely zero that can be done to make leveling fun for you. The best you're going to get is 'less boring'.

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I agree with crafting your own gear. I do it because I enjoy it and I can't wear something if it doesn't have my name on it.

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Originally Posted by Wolfsbane706

Battlecraft leves aren't a thing once you hit level 60. I wish they were, but I was told that apparently combat classes have too many ways to gain experience already?

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Battlecraft leves were a leftover from 1.0, where in the beginning that was the only content. Yep, you heard me. They left them in for 2.0, but I imagine people didn't really do them much, and then in 3.0 they did them even less as there were so many more ways to level at that point.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I guess you can say that i'm guilty of always looking for the most efficient way and hate it when i get the feeling of wasting my time (and i clearly get that from fates). Don't get me wrong i also think there are already some nice other things in game that you could do besides Roulettes and normal Dungeons (like Squadron or the fates) but there are way to inefficient and i really have a hard time to understand why SE can't fix that (they just need to raise the xp reward for most of those stuff).

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If you like being efficient you should really like hunts, banging them out while you wait on a queue is a very optimum use of time, same with fates

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Trusts while a bit repetitive are by far the best way to level DPS classes by virtue of letting you skip the oft-lengthy queue times.

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Depends on said queue times. Mine are usually under a dozen minutes, and having a decent group complete with AoE saves more time than that. But, by the time you're over twenty minutes or so...

The real runs are also just quite a bit easier on your sanity, and it's not like you can't FATE or level gatherers/crafters while you wait.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

As for the trust system, i heard that once you die its a complete wipe and you need to start over. Thats a no go for me so i never touched it.

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It's like a regular dungeon wipe. Everything you've killed up to that point is still dead. Not a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

so maybe at the end of the month i can finally enjoy this game more again.

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Doing.. what? Specifically what can you do then that you cannot do now with your current maxed jobs? Most of the "endgame" content doesn't reward based on current job. If you're burned out on leveling maybe just do the endgame stuff for a while.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Doing.. what? Specifically what can you do then that you cannot do now with your current maxed jobs? Most of the "endgame" content doesn't reward based on current job. If you're burned out on leveling maybe just do the endgame stuff for a while.

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You know i just don't like having unfinished stuff when i look at my class window, it bugs me all the time. That's why i always finish stuff like that as soon as possible and when im done usually some new patches and content is already released. Just to be clear i don't need any of the remaining classes, it's just for completion. Also i'm that kind of person which does one thing after another. I like to have one thing finished (even if it sucks) before focusing on something new.

no need to rush though leveling these jobs

you have 2 years before next expansion is out to get everything to 80 plenty of time to just sit back and do roulettes with a job
plus new beast tribes are around the corner to help out 70-80

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I guess you can say that i'm guilty of always looking for the most efficient way and hate it when i get the feeling of wasting my time (and i clearly get that from fates). Don't get me wrong i also think there are already some nice other things in game that you could do besides Roulettes and normal Dungeons (like Squadron or the fates) but there are way to inefficient and i really have a hard time to understand why SE can't fix that (they just need to raise the xp reward for most of those stuff).

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If they change it then you will do the new most efficient thing and complain the others are not as efficient.

Am i wrong?

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

If they change it then you will do the new most efficient thing and complain the others are not as efficient.

Am i wrong?

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Depends, i think they are already a lot of other interesting activities ingame, the issue for me is most of them are not worth the time (in compare to dungeon Xp). For me it would be enough if they fix the amount of Xp you gain from stuff like Fates, Hunts, Trials, Squadron, Beast Tribes and after 73 Frontline Xp. I would like to do Combat Levels while waiting for Que but they didn't continued this feature also there are still no new beast tribes and doing the old are not worth the time after a certain lvl. I don't really ask for something new they should just make stuff that's already ingame worth your while.

I think the different activities you could do to lvl your class should at least be equal when it comes to time/xp and not that 1 or 2 things outperforms everything else.

There will be lots more exp methods in the patch series, you just don't get side content in a X.0 release. That's something it would be nice to change in the future. Mix up the order the content gets released because we're very fixed in a pattern.

Example: we get a deep dungeon right off the bat in patch 6.0 (unlocked during msq) and some other stuff instead of five leveling dungeons in the lv81-89 range. A 'relic' type weapon right off the bat with an expansion release would be nice too. The first step doesn't need to be very elaborate, just make something available to grind instead of coming several months after xpac launch.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I wish there would be more variety of reasonable options to lvl your char. Right now there are only 3 daily roulettes that are worth the time and the normal dungeons.

You could maybe count until 73 HoH (21-30) in, because it gives nearly the same xp as the 71 dungeon (in the same time) if you include the waiting time.

They should add another deep or rework the xp you get from them and frontlines in a way that scales with your lvl and is equal to dungeons. Maybe 2 (or 2 1/2) frontlines or HoH = Dungeon.

It would be cool if there where some kind of Mini Games that give you a bit xp while you spend your time in the que. Also it would be really nice if i could que up for frontline roulette and dungeons at the same time (in fact queing for more than one roulette at the same time would be great).

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if someone hasnt mentioned it already, you can just wait for PotD/HoH Shadowbringers edition. if its only alt jobs that you dont really need to level right away, its probably the best option to just wait for this content. Thats what im doing.