Chest System - Eden Savage

Are people actually cool with this system? I get that it deters selling Savage content, but it seems really detrimental to everyone else. People get really mad if it isn't a 2 chest run, so if you aren't lucky with your first run of the week, you gotta run it with different people that haven't cleared that week, every other time. Good luck trying to find anyone to run it that hasn't cleared that week just before the reset, except new people. Really counters people's usual static groups they've been running savage content with for years too.

Worst system ever implemented? What are your thoughts?

I know there are probably already threads about this, but I want to hear more of an uproar about this dumb system, lol. Let me know if I'm missing something good about this system. Help me change my mind if you think it's a good system to have in Savage content.

It's better system overall. No gear goes to waste. Sure, weeks might pass where you don't win anything, but weeks may pass where you win everything. It has been figured out that this system is mathematically more beneficial to players.

Happy that the books are still a thing. But the problem is for early progression it's absolutely soul crushing as a pug.

Like knowing that you won't get an assured accessory until four weeks in is pretty baffling. The issue is less a of a problem as a static but facing 7 other people for rng where one person can win them all, it's rough.

OP is talking about losing one or both chests if multiple people have already cleared for the week.

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Originally Posted by Spectrum

Are people actually cool with this system? I get that it deters selling Savage content, but it seems really detrimental to everyone else.

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Which is funny, because the new loot system and world visit make it easier than ever to sell loot.

I don't know how you could fix the system. If you made it personal loot that has a set chance of dropping into a player's inventory upon a clear, there would be the chance that lucky groups had all members receive a piece of gear.

At the very least I'd like to see them allow players to complete floors in any order after they've been cleared once and have practice mode award pages that count as the weekly but no chests, with chests still able to be rolled on in non-practice.

the system is designed to not gear up people quickly. you have 6 MONTHS or so before next tier.

I really enjoy this new system. I have a static though and we have a system in place where you only lot on an item if it is your BiS. We're all very close to being BiS for our main jobs and gear is already going to our secondary jobs. I haven't raided since the days of Coil and not seeing a ton of gear go to waste is refreshing. Can't tell you how many Ninja items dropped for us when we never had a Ninja in our party.

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Originally Posted by Spectrum

Are people actually cool with this system? I get that it deters selling Savage content, but it seems really detrimental to everyone else. People get really mad if it isn't a 2 chest run, so if you aren't lucky with your first run of the week, you gotta run it with different people that haven't cleared that week, every other time. Good luck trying to find anyone to run it that hasn't cleared that week just before the reset, except new people. Really counters people's usual static groups they've been running savage content with for years too.

Worst system ever implemented? What are your thoughts?

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I think you are trying to blame the game for your choice to run savage as a lone wolf.

Loot system is great, nothing is wasted, and statics are all happy about it. After all, Savage is intended for skilled and organized players. You decided to run away it and PUG it all the way. Your rightful choice but you need weight the consequences.

Continue running it as lone wolf or find a static? Your choice.

I think it's better, especially for statics that can plan their gear, no random drops or drops that go to waste. For pugs your chances are pretty much the same as before. I hope they keep it.

Personally I really want them to go back to the old system. I've been trying to enjoy savage without a group (due to unpredictable schedules) but even after so many weeks, I'm still rolling against 8 people because everybody still rolls Need because they'll use the gear on their second/third job.

After 6 clears of E1S and 5 clears of E2S, I've rolled on 38 items and obtained 1. All my gear upgrades have had to come from tomes alone.

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Originally Posted by Kazenone

Personally I really want them to go back to the old system. I've been trying to enjoy savage without a group (due to unpredictable schedules) but even after so many weeks, I'm still rolling against 8 people because everybody still rolls Need because they'll use the gear on their second/third job.

After 6 clears of E1S and 5 clears of E2S, I've rolled on 38 items and obtained 1. All my gear upgrades have had to come from tomes alone.

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How would have 6 clears of E1S with no loot-drops for your class at all been better than the current system? Given its all RNG thats a very real possibitly - so, how would have 6 weeks with tank-belts that all drop to the floor been better than 6 weeks of at least one person getting what they need for a job they play?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

How would have 6 clears of E1S with no loot-drops for your class at all been better than the current system? Given its all RNG thats a very real possibitly - so, how would have 6 weeks with tank-belts that all drop to the floor been better than 6 weeks of at least one person getting what they need for a job they play?

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That is a possibility, however a system where someone can out-roll me to gear up their second job at the expense of my main job makes the problem worse.

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The problem for me isn't the RNG, it's that people who already got a drop (e.g. Hands chest) keep rolling on the same gear regardless because it's better to walk away with anything at all than to not get the one piece that you actually needed. When it was locked to jobs you might get unlucky, but the rolls would also taper off allowing the unluckier people at the start more of a chance to get gear later on. With this system, that doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Kazenone

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The problem for me isn't the RNG, it's that people who already got a drop (e.g. Hands chest) keep rolling on the same gear regardless because it's better to walk away with anything at all than to not get the one piece that you actually needed. When it was locked to jobs you might get unlucky, but the rolls would also taper off allowing the unluckier people at the start more of a chance to get gear later on. With this system, that doesn't happen.

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I also agree with this. I feel like the game should instead restrict you only to greed if you already have the piece on whatever job you're playing (armory/inventory/retainers), and allow need if you don't have the piece in your inventory.

I don't think they'd be able to do this system right in the way I want it considering how it is, but I feel it would put people in the right direction, especially considering the sharing of gear most jobs use.

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Originally Posted by Kazenone

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The problem for me isn't the RNG, it's that people who already got a drop (e.g. Hands chest) keep rolling on the same gear regardless because it's better to walk away with anything at all than to not get the one piece that you actually needed. When it was locked to jobs you might get unlucky, but the rolls would also taper off allowing the unluckier people at the start more of a chance to get gear later on. With this system, that doesn't happen.

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If it wasnt the case the guy would just enter with his secondary job and roll. At least now he plays with the job he knows.

I like the new system better than the old one. The problem is the gear restriction even if u didnt get anything.

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Originally Posted by Kazenone

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The problem for me isn't the RNG, it's that people who already got a drop (e.g. Hands chest) keep rolling on the same gear regardless because it's better to walk away with anything at all than to not get the one piece that you actually needed. When it was locked to jobs you might get unlucky, but the rolls would also taper off allowing the unluckier people at the start more of a chance to get gear later on. With this system, that doesn't happen.

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You forget that with the old system you were able to stay unlucky with drops in the first place, never even getting a chance to roll on the piece you want because it simply didnt drop. The old system didnt allow unluckier people to have a better chance later down the line, it allowed them to stay unlucky while letting loot that no one needed fall to the floor.
And thanks to our token-system you can get the pieces you need later down the line anyways - you just need the tokens. Given that this raid-tier will last us about 6 months (so around 24 weeks), that means that "later down the line" you have potentially 24 tokens from each tier to exchange for whatever gear you want.

The old system had the potential to make everyone lose and it often did. Its anecodtal, I'll admit that, but everytime a tank-accessory dropped in one Omega my static and specially me and my co-tank expressed our... dissapointement, considering those were totally useless to any serious tank. We also ended up with only healer drops more than once, meaning that 6/8 people walked away with nothing.

The new system has the potential to make you feel like you lost out on the loot other people rolled on. And that you've lost loot that was "rightfully" yours, because you could have used it - since everyone can use it now.

I honestly dont think that we need to limit how many items one person can win - the old system allowed one person to walk away with everything just aswell as the new one does. They only would have had to be lucky enough to have all loot be for the job they could roll need on - mayb thats unlikely, but so is winning all pieces of loot a group gets.