Queues and Needs. (Suggestion)

Posted this once before, but I managed to post it in the wrong section of the forum.
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So, a little idea.

Would it be possible to implement a feature that auto-accepts (Commence) or pauses your place in the queue for a certain time, 2 minutes or so before resuming it?

Why do I bring this up? The whole "needs" thing. How many times haven't we wandered off for a quick leak, just to find that we've just barely missed our queue?

An example:

You queue up and the time in line is 14 minutes. 7 minutes passes by, and you feel that you need to go, badly. You know only 7 minutes has passed by so you're all good, right? Right?! So you run to the bathroom. Meanwhile in-game... "DING! - Tic, toc..."

You return and sit down. "WHAT?! IT POPPED?!" Yep, it popped. Now you have to wait for another 14 or so minutes, and you just got penalized just because you were away for 2 minutes, despite that the queue had only been going for 7 minutes, not 12 or 13 minutes.

Ok, you get the point. With a feature that could act as a "pause my/my party's place in the queue for a little while" and then resume once back, or allow for "auto-commence" for a while, perhaps through a command such as /bathroom - that way there would be no need in having to risk a penalty for a quick break, nor a need to feel stressed out while sitting in the bathroom.

To clarify further, this shouldn't hold back the queue for others that's not in your party, instead it should let other people overturn you. Let's say you're #23 in the queue and has went on a bathroom break. #24 would simply become #22, bypassing you. Once you're back, you start moving up the queue again.

This would be a fantastic quality of life change that I think a lot of people would appreciate.

Or you could just take the quick break before queuing.Problem solved.

You have 45 seconds to return to your pop up and return. If it is a quick potty break shouldn't take 2 mins. :eek:
I would suggest to you if you're not going off too far, when you're away/tab from game, go to options
and let system sounds on so you can hear. Saved my life so much.

Having them auto accept is a bad idea, since you'll be AFK in the dungeon too.
Pausing only backs up the line for other DPS ready but waiting.
Just take your breaks as soon as you Queue up or before like MetalWrath said.

No.
Do not queue if you are not ready to enter the dungeon /raid /etc.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Or you could just take the quick break before queuing.Problem solved.

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OMG that's an impressive genius solution! How OP did not think of that?

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

OMG that's an impressive genius solution! How OP did not think of that?

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The OP did think about that and unfortunately that's not how some bodies works. Some perhaps can do that, some can not. Some feel it urgently, some do not.

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Originally Posted by Nightroad

No.
Do not queue if you are not ready to enter the dungeon /raid /etc.

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The example brought up a person that had been in a queue for a while already (7 mins, with expected wait time of 14), then felt the need to take a short break. It is simply something that happens now and then. You probably didn't read the post in its entirety so I'll just point that out now.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

You have 45 seconds to return to your pop up and return. If it is a quick potty break shouldn't take 2 mins. :eek:
Having them auto accept is a bad idea, since you'll be AFK in the dungeon too.

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2 minutes (at the most, as that would mean that it instantly popped once the controller was put down) AFK in a dungeon equals pretty much to viewing the introductory cutscene and waiting for the barrier to rise. I don't see an issue with this.
It doesn't suggest that the actual waiting time when IN a dungeon or raid is 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Pausing only backs up the line for other DPS ready but waiting.
Just take your breaks as soon as you Queue up or before like MetalWrath said.

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Ok, I perhaps wasn't clear enough. I thought I was, but as you're clearly misunderstanding this, I'll clarify it more. With Pause, it should freeze your position in the queue and not move your position forward. Instead, people in the queue bypass you. See it as two cars on a road where one stops, and the other overtakes and goes ahead.

Queue time is estimated wait time, so it doesn't really make sense to use it as a hard time to be waiting. IMO, this is a non-issue that would require extra work for probably a handful of people. Just doesn't seem necessary to me.

However, if it were something to be implemented, than like you stated in OP: pause yourself, but there should be no penalty to any other player in queue.

This thread should have been named Pees and Queues.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

Ok, I perhaps wasn't clear enough. I thought I was, but as you're clearly misunderstanding this, I'll clarify it more. With Pause, it should freeze your position in the queue and not move your position forward. Instead, people in the queue bypass you. See it as two cars on a road where one stops, and the other overtakes and goes ahead.

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What about the people behind you that was there during your pause?
You came back and now just pushed the entire line back.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

This thread should have been named Pees and Queues.

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That’s our problem and solution right there.

One should do their Pees and Queues and NOT their Queues and Pees.

Everyone gets it with OPs issue. This happens to all of is eventually. But they have to balance interests here and they’ve gone for a rather long timer already but have to leep the rest of the group in mind when setting a value...

Take care of your buisiness before queing. How hard is that?

I'm all for something like this with the number of times I've missed the queue for something like MSQ roulette as dps. If I'm at the computer it will take the 30m+, but if I step away at 10 minutes to get a bottle of water, use the washroom, snag a quick snack or deal with whatever the pups need, I swear it's watching and pops immediately after I leave.

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a feature that auto-accepts (Commence)

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An auto-accept feature would be a horrible addition. Once you accept the pop, any time you spend AFK is eating into real people time. You should absolutely have to be at the computer to confirm your participation in the duty so people don't have to wait for you.

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a feature that ... pauses your place in the queue

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People should absolutely take care of business before queuing, be ready to confirm the pop, and take the penalty if they miss or decline the pop. In the current system.

A brb button would inarguably be an improvement to the system.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

To clarify further, this shouldn't hold back the queue for others that's not in your party, instead it should let other people overturn you. Let's say you're #23 in the queue and has went on a bathroom break. #24 would simply become #22, bypassing you. Once you're back, you start moving up the queue again.

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It wouldn't need to punish someone this much for using it. They could continue to advance up to #2 without significant concerns to fairness.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Pausing only backs up the line for other DPS ready but waiting.

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It doesn't back up the line. It's like being at a fast food place and telling the people in line behind you to go ahead, before you stop to stare at the menu.



The biggest issue here is not whether something like this should be implemented. The real issue is I honestly don't see the devs successfully implementing this in the way described, even if they chose to implement it (they won't). There are so many simple changes they refuse to make that should be simple for a third year computer science major to make that they cite as impossible.

There is already a workaround to this problem, at least on PS4: A wireless controller wich vibrates (the PS4 controller even has a speaker) when the queue pops.

Just take the controller with you into the bathroom and accept the invite from there.

In OP's defense, that 30 minute queue can suddenly turn into 30 seconds. I've had it happen before, multiple times actually. It's not common, but possible. If I'm queuing for, say, pvp and it says 11 out of 23 minutes has passed, then I'll just do what I need to do (not necessarily bathroom related) and come back. Can't blame some people for thinking the robot was honest.

Real World needs/issues/problems =/= FFXIV needs/issues/problems

If you miss the que then, if I may be frank, too bad. Just reque.

Ideally take care of everything prior to the que if possible. If you're unable to then you just gotta try your luck.

Sorry pal, the Devs already have enough pressure on them from all sides about stuff more concerning than a lowly 1st world problem.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

Would it be possible to implement a feature that auto-accepts (Commence)

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Please, no. That defeats the whole purpose of the Commence button. I don't want to get stuck in an instance with a player who will be AFK indefinitely.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

or pauses your place in the queue

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Yes, please! It would be great to have a pause button that we can press again upon returning to resume the queue. Sometimes queues are long, and things change. It sucks to wait for 10 minutes of an 11 minute queue only to be called away by the wife for a two-minute errand (Hold the ladder while I change the bulb/Can you check the doneness of the roast while I run to the store/Please handle the bee that made its way into the house/etc.). I would love to have a pause button that held my current position in the queue until I could return to resume my wait. I don't even expect it to put me at the front. Just resume the position where I was prior to pausing. For example, if I was #21 when I paused, then I would still be #21 when I came back.

Implementing a queue pause seems like it'd be simple enough, but who knows with how weird SE's code seems to be from how they talk about it sometimes. I'm surprised so many people are against it, when it wouldn't even affect anyone else in the queue. It's extra development work sure, but I don't think it would mean we don't get an ultimate in a patch or something silly like that.

What does affect other people in the queue, and is something I've definitely seen before, is zoning into a duty and having someone (sometimes the tank) immediately say "hey brb" because it's easier to take a small break inside of a duty while you're wasting peoples' time than it is to take a small break while you're in queue and impacting nobody. If a pause was implemented, those people would probably feel less need to wait to afk until they were in a position to inconvenience other people.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

Would it be possible to implement a feature that auto-accepts (Commence) or pauses your place in the queue for a certain time, 2 minutes or so before resuming it?

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Auto-Commence:
Definitely not. You may have talked about taking just a two minute break in your example, but once the system put you in the dungeon, you could just as well take twenty minutes to come back, and far too many people would, leaving their team stuck there short-handed. It should only commence when everyone is there and ready to go.

Pausing the queue:
This, on the other hand, I think would be a useful feature. Some of the queues can get quite long if you're trying to get into a less popular instance at a slow time of day, and the ones you'd least want to miss are the ones that have the most chance of getting interrupted. So long as others pass your queue position at the same rate as instances are forming, so you maintain your relative position rather than moving up while you're AFK, it shouldn't be exploitable.