The only reason you do them is for a title and that's it... no new abilities or anything like that, some jobs might not need new abilities and just lore explanations of why some jobs have their new abilities, but some some jobs do need new abilities from a level 80 job quest to feel complete because they lost so much going into Shadowbringers(looking at you Dark Knight)...
Some job quests are simply not worth doing for the title because of how incomplete they are(again, looking at you Dark Knight), some job quests don't even feel like a job quest (looking at you Paladin for being a level 80 Gladiator class quest in disguise) and some job quests feel like there should be more job quests after(Gunbreaker and Dragoon)...
Role quests were fine(except healer because of that "dwarf" which further makes me want to punt all lalafells into non-existence or something similar) but we need something to make up for the fact that we lost a lot of things that made some jobs to be unique in the first place...
Current implementation of level 80 job quests
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08-31-2019, 04:14 PMDRKoftheAzureCurrent implementation of level 80 job quests
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08-31-2019, 07:39 PMVidu
Considering that people went into Shinryu without having done their jopbquests (or at least the last one) and were lacking the abilities locked behind that - sometimes crucial ones that would have helped a lot - I'd rather not have abilities tied to jobquests again...
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08-31-2019, 11:45 PMStepjam
Unfortunately I've still seen players enter dying gasp without their gear even though I dunno how they could miss it
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09-01-2019, 01:10 AMIscahIt's not just for a title, it's for story. I've enjoyed the ones I've done so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure
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09-01-2019, 04:07 AMDRKoftheAzureThat's fair, but I wish there were more job quests to do from 70-80 on top of role quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
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09-01-2019, 05:19 AMViduI havent done any of the Shadowbringers jobquests yet, partially because of the Stormblood ones - let me pick up your own example of the paladin-jobquest: You say that the level 80 was nothing more than a gladiator-quest in disguise. But the same is also true for the 60-70-story in Stormblood. I main a paladin and sadly I have to say this, but... the paladin-jobquest was never really good. ARR was okay, HW makes me rage just thinking about it (nice little lore-drop on job-crystals in the end, but everything, absolutly everything was bad about it. Specially your go-to-NPC and his motivation and story - not to mention that you find bloody pieces of armor and he puts them on straight away... I disgress. Raging. Told you.), SB was basically just picking up the gladiator-quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure
And thats an issue many jobquests have: They're not that great of a story in the end. And they're specially struggling with always calling you back to help those job-NPCs - the ARR ones, when you're learning the ropes are good, because they're actually about a level 30 character just starting their adventure learning new stuff from their masters. But when you're level 80 and have killed dozens of primals...? How much more can a palace guard teach you? The monk one turned this around in SB and made you the teacher, which was a nice trick, but even that only works for so long until you have to wonder if your pupils havent learned enough from you to hold their own.
Stormblood gave me this strong feeling that the job-NPCs and the job-quests had out-lived themselves.
On top of that we usually had 2-3 really good jobquests (DRK usually, WAR probably, I always liked the scholar ones aswell), most were okay-ish and then there were some rather bad and uninteresting ones. Looking at the amount of jobs we have and the amount of quests that would need to be written, I'm glad they went with the role quests to focus on making rather few but more involved and potentially better quests, while also introducing new characters and therefor not having to struggle with coming up with a reason why you're returning to your job (or even guild) master yet again.
I always liked doing jobquests, but I have to admit that I didnt really miss them this time around - to me the jobquests in SB and sometimes even in HW already felt completly disconnected from what my character was actually doing.
Yet another reason I'm glad they didnt lock the gear or level 80 skill behind them: in SB I had to stop the mainstory right before the endgame to go and do my jobquest. As a paladin main that meant... going back to Ul'dah to fight in a tournament aswell as dealing with a jealous Mylla while I was actually about to save the world from a giant dragon. It felt very... out of place.
And granted, ShB makes you do your rolequest to continue the mainstory - but those rolequests are at least all connected to your main goal of saving the world from the sin eaters. It felt a lot less out of place than dealing with a completly different and unrelated issue that your jobquest would present you with... -
09-01-2019, 05:47 AMDRKoftheAzure
In response to Vidu; 60-70 Paladin quests was a callback to your roots as a Gladiator, which I actually liked, and I will agree that the 50-60 job quest could have been done, but level 80 quest for Paladin was just very lacking... I didn't do and won't do level 80 Dark Knight quest because of how the devs butchered my former main job and until they actually give Dark Knight an identity within in the role that it's supposed to do that isn't Warrior but with worse skillset, (forgot to mention that in the opening post so I apologize for that and yes I know it's a petty reason to not do something because of something that I don't like). And role quests are a 1 time thing which in terms of leveling means job quests could have served as a decent replacement for the role quest that you already did if leveling multiple jobs in that role.
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09-02-2019, 04:47 AMRokkuEkkusuWhile the game requires at least one set of level 80 role quests to be done, the NPC mentions only twice during the last level 79 story quest that he has some gear the could help us. After that, the game does not necessarily show them directly that that NPC has the item level 430 AF4 gear (the said NPC is only shown/marked as a vendor on the map). It may be easy for us veterans, but some newer players may overlook it rather easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stepjam
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09-10-2019, 12:50 PMVerlyn
Given the tone of the quests, I am fairly sure they're meant to be a sendoff for those particular stories and casts of characters.
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09-10-2019, 08:48 PMRicaRuinAfter finishing the Quest, the info that you can get your Level 80 Gear from Grenoldt is right in the chat log. Even those skipping cutscenes and new players can read.Quote:
Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu
That aside, just as with Shinryu and telling people to do their job quests, people ignore advice. I like to hang out in Amaurot and tend to whisper those doing story about the Gear if I see they don't have it, but they choose to ignore it. Only thing that would help would be a Job Quest (not Role) that's needed to progress MSQ and rewards Gear. -
09-10-2019, 09:29 PMNoitems
I haven't done any myself, but honestly just looking at the GNB/DNC quests from 60-70 it really seems like they went into them very halfbaked in terms of story. I loved how the instances were in those ones (Dancer 70 being pretty fun), but they were a far cry from some of the crazy ones like SAM's 70 instance and NIN's 70.
More so then instances it's the story that really gets me. I honestly love the Job storylines and it's a shame to see them in this form. I understand it's tough making stories and events tailored for 17 different jobs in a new expansion but I don't think how they did this was the best. I'm sure a big reason for this has to be related to the First and the devs probably not wanting to break the immersion of your journey there to head back to the source and get new abilities and the like. Yoshi-P did state the original intent was to have the 80 Job quest explain your level 80 skill but they couldn't get it in during the time. I think that also hampers part of the journey especially when DRG gets something like Stardiver which is clearly inspired by Niddhog.
I'm more interested in the new jobs they add for the next expansion as it seems like they are closing the books on traditional job quests, yet the new jobs would need some form of introduction. Not sure if they'll pull the same like GNB/DNC where there is a storyline from 70-80 but I would be surprised if they did. -
09-11-2019, 01:39 AMGneoThis is just my opinion, but DRK has felt the best it's ever felt with the ShB changes since it's debut in HW.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure
I remember running haukke manor (normal) for the first time when it came out, and all DRK had was enmity combo, ranged aggro, and aoe aggro, and Scourge. (I do really miss Scourge)
I got HM as a leveling roulette shortly after the release of ShB, and running that old lvl 28 dungeon felt wayyyyyy better than it did back in 3.0.
I didn't feel bored like I was spamming the enmity combo since that's all you had back then, DRK still has a decent kit, even at low level dungeons.