WHM/BLM Mini Rant

So i had this on my mind for a while now and wanted to just put it out there to see what others think. Why does a WHM(A Healer)...let me clarify that again "A Healer" have a 900 potency spell while BLM(A DPS) has only 750? It just irks me why a healer would have a higher potency magic spell than a black mage. Afflatus Misery should be changed to 1 blood lily petal to cast but potency should be like 350. Xenoglossy should be atleast 800. I play both but it's just i don't understand why a healer has a higher spell potency than a DPS.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

So i had this on my mind for a while now and wanted to just put it out there to see what others think. Why does a WHM(A Healer)...let me clarify that again "A Healer" have a 900 potency spell while BLM(A DPS) has only 750? It just irks me why a healer would have a higher potency magic spell than a black mage. Afflatus Misery should be changed to 1 blood lily petal to cast but potency should be like 350. Xenoglossy should be atleast 800. I play both but it's just i don't understand why a healer has a higher spell potency than a DPS.

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Because Astral Fire increases the potency of Fire spells for BLM. And Xenoglossy is instacast and can be stacked twice

You forget Enochian at its highest iteration increases all damage to 15%, bringing Xenoglossy to about 860. That's not to mention the three stacks of Astral Fire boosting moves like Despair and Fire IV just to name a couple.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because Astral Fire increases the potency of Fire spells for BLM. And Xenoglossy is instacast and can be stacked twice

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I'm talking raw potency, Astral fire has nothing to do with this as well. Afflatus Misery is insta as well. But the point i'm trying to make is why a healer has a higher magic potency spell than an actual DPS caster. I'm not counting buffs, etc. Base raw potency.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

I'm talking raw potency, Astral fire has nothing to do with this as well. Afflatus Misery is insta as well. But the point i'm trying to make is why a healer has a higher magic potency spell than an actual DPS caster. I'm not counting buffs, etc. Base raw potency.

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Keep in mind that Affatus Misery requires 4 GCDs (3 of which do no damage) to setup and use. That's an average of 225 potency per GCD, which is weaker than WHM's baseline nuke of 300 potency per GCD - making Afflatus Misery a DPS loss in non-AOE situations. Even in AOE situations, 225 potency with falloff is only a little better than 140 potency without falloff.

So, chill out?

Afflatus Misery takes a full minute and a half to get ONCE. You have to use three normal lilies just to get one blood lily. You get one use of Xenoglossy every 30 seconds. You'd get 3 of those in the span a whm gets one Afflatus Misery.

Why not compare Paladin who has Confiteor, an 800 potency AoE that's also instacast because of Requiescat. How dare a tank also have something with a base 800 potency, which is higher than Xenoglossy, and then you also have the buff of Requiescat giving a 50% buff to damage from spells as well as healing potency.


But oh no, how dare a non red class have anything that can hit harder than Black Mages of all classes. Lets gimp anything that dares to outshine them. /sarcasm

Xenoglossy is up every 30 seconds, Afflatus Misery is only up every 90 seconds. I don't see the big deal.

Black mage still does alot more damage then whm.
I dunno why you rant?

Also due to the way stat weights and damage work and job modifiers, 900 potency on one job is not the same as 900 potency on another.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

I'm talking raw potency, Astral fire has nothing to do with this as well. Afflatus Misery is insta as well. But the point i'm trying to make is why a healer has a higher magic potency spell than an actual DPS caster. I'm not counting buffs, etc. Base raw potency.

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Looking at just raw potency is misguided. BLM has deceptively low potencies across the board, because damage boosts are baked into its rotation.

Just wanna point out for Astral Fire

Damage increase to Fire spells is as follows:
1 stack: 40% increased damage (1.4x)
2 stacks: 60% increased damage (1.6x)
3 stacks: 80% increased damage (1.8x)

Sure thing. Triple Xeno's cd, make it take up quadruple the GCD and bump it up to a juicy 901 potency so you can show those healers who's boss.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

I'm talking raw potency, Astral fire has nothing to do with this as well. Afflatus Misery is insta as well. But the point i'm trying to make is why a healer has a higher magic potency spell than an actual DPS caster. I'm not counting buffs, etc. Base raw potency.

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This kind of stuff is what Yoshi-P warned us about in terms of looking at Raw Potency alone.

As others have mentioned, it's what goes into the offensive weaponskill, spell, and ability as well.

So you looked at the base potency number on Afflatus and made the assumption that it does more damage than BLM's hardest hitting spell. You didn't even take into account Enochian's 15% damage buff (which is required to even build up to cast Xeno) but also ignore the passive damage gain BLM's get from all their spells? Afflatus will never in any situation do more damage than Xenoglossy. You clearly have no idea how either job functions.

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Originally Posted by Selova

So you looked at the base potency number on Afflatus and made the assumption that it does more damage than BLM's hardest hitting spell. You clearly have no idea how either job functions.

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They didn't say it does more damage, that's your assumption. The op clarified in a reply that they aren't talking about damage, only potency. They just have a weird irritation about potency number being that high on a healer spell and would rather let you use misery more often at a lower potency for effectively the same total dps just to keep the potency number down.

Guess they haven't seen Dancer's 1500 potency Technical Finish

I don't think the OP cares about all the strings attached to potencies. I think OP simply cares about standalone potency from basically a viewpoint where blm dmg in all regards should be higher than anything any healer has to offer.

It's the kind of nitpicking rant/vent that makes people groan and facepalm in response but hey, people will be people I guess so.../shrug

Wanna trade Xenoglossy/Foul for Misery then? I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.

Wtf, Healers damage potency doesn't work same as DPS jobs, for example, Glare and Fire IV does have the same potency damage ( 300 ) and gess what?, they don't make the same Damage because Mind and Intelligence don't work equal. Fire IV does A LOT more damage than Glare even with same potency points, ANY DPS Job does more Damage with same equivalent Damage Potency skills in comparison to Healers.

Said that, Xeno has "30 secs" CD while Misery does have "90 secs", you can literally cast 3 Xeno as BLM while you can cast only 1 Misery as WHM.

- 3 Xeno: 2586 Damage Potency.
- 1 Misery: 900 Damage Potency.
- BLM does +1686 Damage Potency over WHM at same time.

Polyglot increase +15% Damage for BLM skills, what brings Xeno for ~862 Dama Potency each, and WHM lost any buff that increase their Damage ( Cleric Stance ).

Take another look to PLD for example, PLD has the highest Healing Skill in the game in potency numbers, it does have 1200 Healing Potency as a pure skill ( 1800 Healing Potency boosted with Requiecast ) and guess what?, who has the strongest heal?.

- PLD's Clemency: 1200/1800 Healing Potency? ( Requiecast boost ).
- WHM's Cure II: 700/840 Healing Potency? ( Temperance boost ).
- AST's Benefic II: 700/840 Healing Potency? ( Neutral Sect boost ).
- SCH's Adloquium: 600/780 Healing Potency? ( Fey Illumination + Dissipation boost ).

PLD does have 500/960 Healing Potency higher the strongest healer skill and yet isn't better, because PLD Healing Potency doesn't work at same as healer, it doesn't mean that isn't fair to PLD has a 1200 Healing Potency skill while the Healers don't have something close that.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

I'm talking raw potency, Astral fire has nothing to do with this as well. Afflatus Misery is insta as well. But the point i'm trying to make is why a healer has a higher magic potency spell than an actual DPS caster. I'm not counting buffs, etc. Base raw potency.

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Who gives a damn about raw potency?!
I need to use 4 GCDs for that thing, so the actual potency is around 900/4 = 225 which is LOWER than my standard glare cast.
If I don't need the healing from the blue lilies (dungeons, cough) it can actually be a DPS _LOSS_ to use them on single targets.
Add the 90s cooldown to that and you get one mother of underwhelming spell.

healers have always had high damage spells in FF games like holy which has been nerfed so many times now, I would rather have high damage holy which is costly instead of this current low damage low cost holy.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

So i had this on my mind for a while now and wanted to just put it out there to see what others think. Why does a WHM(A Healer)...let me clarify that again "A Healer" have a 900 potency spell while BLM(A DPS) has only 750? It just irks me why a healer would have a higher potency magic spell than a black mage. Afflatus Misery should be changed to 1 blood lily petal to cast but potency should be like 350. Xenoglossy should be atleast 800. I play both but it's just i don't understand why a healer has a higher spell potency than a DPS.

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Traditionally, Final Fantasy White Mages have always had one super nuke that was on par, if not stronger, than their Black Mage counterparts. But it was just that: one. One spell. Compared to the arsenal that Black Mage has.

Furthermore, White Mages tend to have higher Magic Power than Black Mages. Case in point: FFX, Yuna was stronger than Lulu when it came to raw magic power.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

healers have always had high damage spells in FF games like holy which has been nerfed so many times now, I would rather have high damage holy which is costly instead of this current low damage low cost holy.

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Totally agreed. Holy is supposed to be the White Mage’s ultimate offensive ability. It’s something that should be built up to and not spammed on trash.