Remove MSQ Roulette class balance.

For the past few days melee queue times have been a fraction of the time it is for range. At the time of this posting my Ninja had a < 5min queue wait but my Red Mage is sitting at 26mins. Yesterday my Ninja was at 10min and Red Mage was > 30min.

The MSQ roulette doesn't need a class balance like other dungeons, trials or raids. Just throw in whatever DPS have been waiting the longest.

I've been noticing this too on my Dancer. Queues have been rough.

I like the queues on my Samurai right now, but I have seen MANY more people playing magic/physical ranged instead of melee classes. Maybe they have something that's going along with that?

There's class balance in MSQ roulette? There was one time when I was levelling RDM (pre-5.0) where there were three of us. We commented we didn't have enough red mages...

For the sake of playing devil's advocate, we should keep it. Sooner or later people will switch to classes with shorter queue times. This will serve the purpose of getting people to try new things and make parties more diverse. More diversity in parties can aid in the enjoyment of the group.

I was in Praetorium the other day as one of four black mages, along with two gunbreakers and two scholars. I really don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing but on normal dungeons and stuff too.
I use my DRG and got into Ravel today in 4 mins, some roulettes have been near instant Q's.
It took me 30 solid minutes to get into Ravel as a DNC...
It's the crappy job roles algorithm so it balances with 2 and 2.
Melee DPS/Tank
Range/Healer

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Originally Posted by Allooutrick

For the sake of playing devil's advocate, we should keep it. Sooner or later people will switch to classes with shorter queue times. This will serve the purpose of getting people to try new things and make parties more diverse. More diversity in parties can aid in the enjoyment of the group.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I was in Praetorium the other day as one of four black mages, along with two gunbreakers and two scholars. I really don't know what you're talking about.

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That is a very rare fluke. Most of the time it tries to get 2 melee and 2 range classes and also tries not to double up on classes. This isn't needed for the MSQ roulette.

It's also possible the 4 red mages were all in a party.

I didn't even know that was a thing. I keep getting groups with few/no melee lol

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My arguement defeated by a single jpg? How can this be?!

I queue as tank and I see more 4 ranged groups than a mix of ranged and melee. Same for light parties. Always have 2 ranged more often than 2 melee or 1 of each. It's all in your head.

If you have a ranged and a melee class 50+ available you can test it yourself. Just queue up, check the approx time and then leave queue and try it with the other class. For me it was 30m ranged vs 10m melee just now. It will give in and fill spots with all ranged eventually, but it does seem to attempt to make a varied party priority.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

For the past few days melee queue times have been a fraction of the time it is for range. At the time of this posting my Ninja had a < 5min queue wait but my Red Mage is sitting at 26mins. Yesterday my Ninja was at 10min and Red Mage was > 30min.

The MSQ roulette doesn't need a class balance like other dungeons, trials or raids. Just throw in whatever DPS have been waiting the longest.

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In order to corroborate this data are you doing this msq at the same time same server same day or is this over the course of several days and several different times.?

It's not in OP's head, it's a system introduced around patch 2.3 that prioritizes a mix of melee and ranged, it does NOT restrict parties to exclusively a mix of melee and ranged.

This means that melee and ranged have each their own queue for every single content in DF. The DF algorithm will check for any DPS from each queue, if one queue doesn't have enough dps then it takes from the second queue again (this is how you end with 3-4 ranged in one party).

The problem is that we have 4 melee and 6 ranged, so most of the time melee queues be shorter than ranged. On top of this dancer will be flavor of the month for a while longer, and this affects the ranged queue even more.

I don't think they can turn off the system just for MSQ roulette.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

It's not in OP's head, it's a system introduced around patch 2.3 that prioritizes a mix of melee and ranged, it does NOT restrict parties to exclusively a mix of melee and ranged.

This means that melee and ranged have each their own queue for every single content in DF. The DF algorithm will check for any DPS from each queue, if one queue doesn't have enough dps then it takes from the second queue again (this is how you end with 3-4 ranged in one party).

The problem is that we have 4 melee and 6 ranged, so most of the time melee queues be shorter than ranged. On top of this dancer will be flavor of the month for a while longer, and this affects the ranged queue even more.

I don't think they can turn off the system just for MSQ roulette.

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This is exactly right. Everyone saying they don't see the issue because they have full ranged parties are actually giving great examples of the problem. A melee queuing would have jumped them in the line.

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