Please do something about skill speed

I know things are a little bit different on WAR, but basically Skill Speed sucks to an unreasonable extent right now for the other tanks.

On PLD and DRK it does nothing for your spells so suddenly everything slows down if you are AoEing or enter your casting rotation on PLD. It also does nothing for abilities unless those abilities are DoTs.

It messes up the alignment of strength tinctures with your buffs and rotation forcing you to hold something or misalign your rotation with the potion.

It is the only tank stat that does nothing for self-healing abilities.

With the understanding that of course some stats will be better than others, SkS is the only stat that is messed up to such a degree. To add insult to injury, Direct Hit, which is not available on tank gear, is superior to skill speed in almost every way.

Please so someone about this. At the very least, tanks should have their spells scale with skill speed so you don't get a sudden annoying change in rhythm playing the job.

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

I know things are a little bit different on WAR, but basically Skill Speed sucks to an unreasonable extent right now for the other tanks.

On PLD and DRK it does nothing for your spells so suddenly everything slows down if you are AoEing or enter your casting rotation on PLD. It also does nothing for abilities unless those abilities are DoTs.

It messes up the alignment of strength tinctures with your buffs and rotation forcing you to hold something or misalign your rotation with the potion.

It is the only tank stat that does nothing for self-healing abilities.

With the understanding that of course some stats will be better than others, SkS is the only stat that is messed up to such a degree. To add insult to injury, Direct Hit, which is not available on tank gear, is superior to skill speed in almost every way.

Please so someone about this. At the very least, tanks should have their spells scale with skill speed so you don't get a sudden annoying change in rhythm playing the job.

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Uhhhh. I can't speak for PLD just yet, but I can tell you that WAR, DRK, and GNB all require a certain amount of skill speed to operate correctly. Their scaling with it isn't in a bad place. What you don't want to do is stack it, though. Its primary function for tanks is to lower our GCDs enough for us to fit all of our fun buttons in whatever window each respective job operates around. You get just enough to comfortably utilize your window to the fullest and move on to your next best stat. You can find lists of pre and post savage BiS for each job very easily, and all of them include some amount of sks.

PLs noo /10characters

On DRK, no amount of SkS will get you any benefit in terms of getting a skill under Delirium, you get 5 BS no matter your SkS (even at 0). On PLD, you could get Riot Blade under FoF at a certain level, but it's not really worth pursuing it because of how terrible SkS is on PLD elsewhere.

GNB, not entirely sure. It throws you off from No Mercy, but it might still be worth it with the increase in gauge.

By and large sks is a stat based on comfort imo, where you can slot it adaptively to account for latency, personal preference, etc.
For drk, blood weap feels terrible at base, but quite comfortable at 2.41 (1218 sks) and below. I started patch with 2.38 as a carryover from war, but realized it wasn't necessary for drk. However, 2.43 feels a bit sketchy for BW timing and my last BS seems to land just outside of my pot dropping off, 50% of the time, so I'll probably stick to 2.41.

Idk, feels fine as is. I like that it's flexible.

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

On DRK, no amount of SkS will get you any benefit in terms of getting a skill under Delirium, you get 5 BS no matter your SkS (even at 0). On PLD, you could get Riot Blade under FoF at a certain level, but it's not really worth pursuing it because of how terrible SkS is on PLD elsewhere.

GNB, not entirely sure. It throws you off from No Mercy, but it might still be worth it with the increase in gauge.

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on DRK you need skill speed mostly to fit 5 GCD under blood weapon since with the long animation lock it's pretty awful compared to delirium and more harder to fit.

SkS feels good, but I sure do feel like I've slotted in way more materia for it than I should be! Still, nothing beats 2.37 GCD on WAR!

I'm not sure why they haven't yet merged skill speed and spell speed into a single haste/speed stat. It unnecessarily punishes jobs that use both attack types.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

I'm not sure why they haven't yet merged skill speed and spell speed into a single haste/speed stat. It unnecessarily punishes jobs that use both attack types.

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"We should design this job so Haste doesn't misalign its core rotation."

"What about the ability cooldowns?"

"!@#%'em"

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

On DRK, no amount of SkS will get you any benefit in terms of getting a skill under Delirium, you get 5 BS no matter your SkS (even at 0). On PLD, you could get Riot Blade under FoF at a certain level, but it's not really worth pursuing it because of how terrible SkS is on PLD elsewhere.

GNB, not entirely sure. It throws you off from No Mercy, but it might still be worth it with the increase in gauge.

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to clarify, you need "enough" SkS to even operate during no mercy (1300 for 2.40s GCD), and going a LITTLE faster (2.39 or 2.38) gives you a TINY bit of safety net to ENSURE you get your final burst strike during a no mercy window.

so while going TOO fast is bad for GNB, you need quite a lot of it before it starts seriously screwing your no mercy.
The true issue isnt no mercy- its becoming Cartridge positive and misaligning your gnashing fang; 2.40s already moves it a GCD off and forces a burst strike to fix it

Skill speed is quite valuable right now. on GNB you need a certain threshold to be able to fit 9 GCD's in to your NM window. a 20% damage buff skill getting 9 GCDs in during its duration instead of 8 is obivously going to outweight any ammount of crit or DH you might meld, especially if its burst strike (which it is, with low enough skill speed you cant generate the cartridge for the final burst strike during NM)
DRK also needs a certain ammount to fit 5 bloodspillers during Delerium.
It's also highly dependant on Ping - even if you had the theoretical minimum required skill speed for these use cases you ping might still make it screwy if its high enough. The ammount of sks required will vary from player to player slightly.

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

On DRK, no amount of SkS will get you any benefit in terms of getting a skill under Delirium, you get 5 BS no matter your SkS (even at 0). On PLD, you could get Riot Blade under FoF at a certain level, but it's not really worth pursuing it because of how terrible SkS is on PLD elsewhere.

GNB, not entirely sure. It throws you off from No Mercy, but it might still be worth it with the increase in gauge.

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What? No, really, what?
Go on DRK right now - take off ALL your gear other than your weapon, then try and hit 5 bloodspillers during delerium. It wont work. No really it wont, even with 1000+ or more skill speed just from a few of my pieces i can just barely get in 5 BS's and thats only if i play perfectly.
The only reason its even slightly possible without melding it right now is because a lot of our 450 stuff has skill speed on it. If that gear didnt have it on it, or if we didnt meld enough to match, then you could not fit 9 GCDs in during NM as GNB, or 5 BS as DRK during delerium. Once again it depends on a players ping, to some extent.

Tenacity is in much more dire need of change than Skill speed

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Tenacity is in much more dire need of change than Skill speed

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Yes, yes it does. It would be really nice for tanks to have an excuse (other than ultimate progression) to actually use the stat that was implemented specifically for them.

I really hate skill speed. Every tank should be able to somewhat optimally share all gear with each other. I'm willing to except no DH if you plan to share with WAR, since you can just use crit and det instead, but skillspeed actually makes your other tanks much worse, yet you can't play GNB acceptably without it.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

What? No, really, what?
Go on DRK right now - take off ALL your gear other than your weapon, then try and hit 5 bloodspillers during delerium. It wont work. No really it wont, even with 1000+ or more skill speed just from a few of my pieces i can just barely get in 5 BS's and thats only if i play perfectly.
The only reason its even slightly possible without melding it right now is because a lot of our 450 stuff has skill speed on it. If that gear didnt have it on it, or if we didnt meld enough to match, then you could not fit 9 GCDs in during NM as GNB, or 5 BS as DRK during delerium. Once again it depends on a players ping, to some extent.

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Sounds like you have latency issues to sort out, which is why sks is fine as a variable stat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXyj6RwJ2FY

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Originally Posted by Mithron

I really hate skill speed. Every tank should be able to somewhat optimally share all gear with each other. I'm willing to except no DH if you plan to share with WAR, since you can just use crit and det instead, but skillspeed actually makes your other tanks much worse, yet you can't play GNB acceptably without it.

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All tanks except PLD need some skill speed to be comfortable right now. It is remarkably easy to share gear between GNB, DRK, and PLD right now by just stacking Direct Hit and putting Skill Speed on Weapons as needed. WAR needs its own gear set though, because DH on WAR is trash.

Honestly, Skill and Spell Speed need to be condensed into a single stat - Haste.

Doesn't change its current scaling, but it does allow a DRK's and PLDs Spells to have the same GCD as the rest of their kit.