BOTS!!!!!!!

When are SE going to do anything about these bots??

500+ queue trying to get into Twintania and i guess it's the same on all others too!!!!

This is absolutely unacceptable!!!

Sort out the damn servers and prioritise paying customers over free trials!!!!!!!

I totally with u. there are a lot of bots anywhere... saw 3 groups of 20-30 charakters standing around the teleport stone in gridania...

and in every zone u can see a lot of them too...
SE u have to do something, this is not acceptable

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Originally Posted by Gorb_McNasty

Sort out the damn servers and prioritise paying customers over free trials!!!!!!!

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I’m totally sympathizing with the bot complaints, but I just want to clarify that bots use paid accounts—they aren’t using the free trial because they can’t gather gil for RMT in FC chests with free trials. They tend to use stolen credit cards to buy their accounts.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I’m totally sympathizing with the bot complaints, but I just want to clarify that bots use paid accounts—they aren’t using the free trial because they can’t gather gil for RMT in FC chests with free trials. They tend to use stolen credit cards to buy their accounts.

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Really? they are paid accounts?
Oh ok , That changes everything then...
As far as SE will be concerned then , They won't give a damn.. Unless they are caught RMT.

Thanks Hyo :)

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Originally Posted by Gorb_McNasty

Really? they are paid accounts?
Oh ok , That changes everything then...
As far as SE will be concerned then , They won't give a damn.. Unless they are caught RMT.

Thanks Hyo :)

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No, because rmt accounts using stolen cards re bad for SE, as fraud and charge backs impacts the ability to process credit transactions. It's in their best interest for rmt to not exist.

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Originally Posted by Gorb_McNasty

Really? they are paid accounts?
Oh ok , That changes everything then...
As far as SE will be concerned then , They won't give a damn.. Unless they are caught RMT.

Thanks Hyo :)

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Yeah, they’re sadly paid accounts. Most tend to get to FC and hoard a bunch of Gil farmed from MSQ and Amdapor Keep in FC chests, and since trials don’t allow you to be in an FC or go past level 35, it would be impossible that they’re trial accounts. :c

I would like to see a crackdown on them though. Even with my server being currently congested and closed to creation, I still see the /shout spam bots in the city, and even an odd few glitching underground doing MSQ with the <Wanderer> tags. I haven’t attempted to log into my Twintania alt due to all the issues I’ve been seeing about queues over there.

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Originally Posted by Gorb_McNasty

Really? they are paid accounts?
Oh ok , That changes everything then...
As far as SE will be concerned then , They won't give a damn.. Unless they are caught RMT.

Thanks Hyo :)

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It does not change it to better, its a money laundering scheme, and SE should get rid of it if they dont want to be hold accountable for it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

It does not change it to better, its a money laundering scheme, and SE should get rid of it if they dont want to be hold accountable for it.

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Well let's see what they do about it re if they give a damn or not... But i'm not gonna hold my breath.

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Originally Posted by Gorb_McNasty

Really? they are paid accounts?
Oh ok , That changes everything then...
As far as SE will be concerned then , They won't give a damn.. Unless they are caught RMT.

Thanks Hyo :)

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They don't get money from RMT's «paid» subscriptions. RMT use stolen credit cards, which means SE would benefit from a fraud: SEhave to pay back that money to the credit compagnies

Again, the only way to really combat this is to remove the demand that's bringing the bots in.

The moment SE decides to do their own method of facilitating gil transfers between players (like how Blizzard did with their WoW token)...99% of the bots go away, probably overnight even.

The only other solutions are to keep doing what they're doing (which obviously doesn't work), or try banning players too (which [a] would be hard to prove and could lead to griefing and [b] still might not work and [c] would absolutely have a negative impact on their subscription growth)...or ignore the problem (which also wouldn't work).

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Originally Posted by Ardox

They don't get money from RMT's «paid» subscriptions. RMT use stolen credit cards, which means SE would benefit from a fraud: SEhave to pay back that money to the credit compagnies

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Not ALL RMT are from stolen cards , Yes there will be some.. And as far as paying credit companies back , Again some will have to be paid back , Not ALL..

And i'm also not convinced that all bots are paid accounts too , Or this would mean that every week or so when they do a bot wipe , thousands or tens of thousands of stolen credit cards are used to pay for accounts?.. Again i find this hard to believe..



EDIT as i can't make any new posts...

Stolen accounts are generally just raped of anything worth anything and then dumped...

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Not ALL RMT are from stolen cards , Yes there will be some.. And as far as paying credit companies back , Again some will have to be paid back , Not ALL..

And i'm also not convinced that all bots are paid accounts too , Or this would mean that every week or so when they do a bot wipe , thousands or tens of thousands of stolen credit cards are used to pay for accounts?.. Again i find this hard to believe..

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Stolen accounts too, see all the fake twitch streams that have been going on for the last 2 months trying to steal people's accounts.

I think for a start, they could at least remove the primary source of income for the bots, which are the gil drops in Amdapor Keep. They're far too small to matter to actual players because they can't round up the entire instance and burn it down with AoEs in the span of about two minutes like they can.

This would at very least force them out of instances and potentially reduce the amount of lag they're creating.

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And i'm also not convinced that all bots are paid accounts too , Or this would mean that every week or so when they do a bot wipe , thousands or tens of thousands of stolen credit cards are used to pay for accounts?

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They max out cards for multiple accounts. All they do is buy up a bunch of starter keys (they don't go past arr) that come with the free month on one card until it won't let them anymore and then move on to another card.

The thing too is that on a new or preferred server, when a newly made character there makes level 30, they get 1 million gil for free. Theres no reason to assume bots dont. Count your profit making all these bots on new/preferred servers... wish there was a different way SE could make incentives to play there. Or like a random instanced bot-proof check of sorts before giving a player their gil.

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The thing too is that on a new or preferred server, when a newly made character there makes level 30, they get 1 million gil for free. Theres no reason to assume bots dont. Count your profit making all these bots on new/preferred servers... wish there was a different way SE could make incentives to play there. Or like a random instanced bot-proof check of sorts before giving a player their gil.

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I did not get this 1 mil free Gil? That’s a thing?? o.O

Basically Bot\RMT is lesser of two evils

If SE tries to compete and just adds everything RMT does to mogstation its set as the norm and absolutely ruins this game economy

I keep this up on the top for awareness.
The screenshots I saw from Twintania are disheartening and something needs to be done about this.

A new character made on a preferred/new server reaching level 30 at the time the server is still under new/preferred status.
I got that yesterday on my 12th character on twintania. And ironicly saw MANY bots at just about every MSQ location.

The bonus is a one-off per data centre though remember....

Bonuses for characters created during bonus period that attain level 30 in any class
Gift of 1,000,000 gil (*1)
Gift of 15 days of free play time (*2)
*1 Limited to once per data center region on a single service account.
*2 Limited to once per service account when creating a new character on either a New World or Preferred World.

I think they have banwaves.. trouble with this is by the time their account is shut down, they have already profited enough from it.

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A new character made on a preferred/new server reaching level 30 at the time the server is still under new/preferred status.
I got that yesterday on my 12th character on twintania. And ironicly saw MANY bots at just about every MSQ location.

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Have you had the 1 mil gil once or more than once?

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

I think they have banwaves.. trouble with this is by the time their account is shut down, they have already profited enough from it.

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It only takes a day for a gil farming bot to hit max level and start farming away in Amdapor, so the weekly ban waves really do accomplish nothing in the long run.

They need to target their methods, not the bots themselves.

Seems they have taken some action on this thread.. or is this US only?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-%28Aug.-8%29

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

Seems they have taken some action on this thread.. or is this US only?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-%28Aug.-8%29

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That's for the game as a whole.

The gil farming bots are lumped into the RMT/prohibited activites category, which is why the number is so bloated.

The number of "normal" bots getting banned is a laughably small figure when it's on average less then one bot banned per server in the game, plus there's no guarantees that none of the expendable gil farmers aren't getting lumped into that category by accident either.