Q3: Summoner has many buttons to press and is very busy. Additionally, it bothers me that refreshing DoTs at the timing you activate Dreadwyrm Trance/Firebird Trance causes DoTs to fall off for a few seconds even when using Tri-Disaster. Are there any plans to reduce the amount of button pressing or the adjusting the duration of DoTs?
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The dev. team is working on adjusting the difficulty of needing to press so many buttons. Regarding DoTs, we've received lots of feedback saying that players would like DoT durations extended, but we are instead considering reworking the potency of Ruin spells to be higher dependent on the number of DoTs inflicted on the target.
I’m confused about what Yoshi is saying about DoTs. Higher dependent? Did he mean lower? One of our problems is our dependency on DoTs to buff ruin. Is he saying he wants to increase this further?
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08-08-2019, 02:13 AMSequoraSMN changes in 5.08
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08-08-2019, 02:23 AMdinnertime
The impression this gave me is that he wants to increase it further, but some other translations say they want to actually decrease the dependency. Either way it doesn't really solve the DoT falloff problem.
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08-08-2019, 02:25 AMGUkraine
Sounds like he's referring to reworking the requirement around ruin needing dots to increase the potency. It's the only way I can read it and have it make sense, otherwise they're literally changing nothing.
In regards to DoT fall off, and it being something that we care/qq about. Just make it so the duration of Miasma and Bio is increased by 3 seconds for each Rune III/Outburst cast upon the target. -
08-08-2019, 03:14 AMTaiyouSeishin
Sounds like they are not extending DoT durations asked, but going to buff ruin potency, depending on the amount of dots on the target.
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08-08-2019, 03:27 AMLina_SlayerThe problem is that damage is already increasing by number of DoTs on the target (for example Ruin III is 100 without any of the DoTs 150 if there is one DoT, and 200 if the target is affected by both), so it doesn't make any sense the way it's worded, I really believe it was either a translation error or Yoshi made a small mistake and what it means is that the damage of Ruin will be less dependant on DoTs not more. (for example going from 100,150,200 to like 140,170,200)Quote:
Originally Posted by TaiyouSeishin
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08-08-2019, 03:30 AMChaoticCrimson
Yeah, basically I understood it as "increasing the potency of Ruin spells more while under Ruination". Honestly, instead of extending DoT timers, why not just reduce the cooldown for Trances by a few seconds? This would make things flow a bit better imo, and will make Tri-Disaster more consistent. Another change I would still like to see is bringing back Aetherflow, but with a thirty-second cooldown like the current Energy Drain has.
As for Energy Drain, just return it to its original function, but give it the same treatment Bane received and make it a regular OGCD. This would help with mana management by a nice degree, I feel. Energy Siphon doesn't need to exist, as far as I'm concerned. Furthermore, changing the Egi Assaults so that they can be ordered during casts would be nice, so as to make the job less reliant on double-weaving. The least likely thing to be fixed at this point, but would be greatly appreciated if they could, would be to either keep the demi-pets rooted where they are originally summoned or to greatly expand the distance between you and them before they start moving. Their attack range covers a lot of ground, so they really don't need to move, and it just feels bad to have Wyrmwaves/Scarlet Flames delayed or flat-out not casting at all. Also cutting off EAs and the Demi-Enkindles when an enemy dies and wasting them feels super bad. -
08-08-2019, 03:35 AMNovaBismarck
I'm glad they are looking at the rotation for what can be done. This makes me happy to hear.
Overall, I've found dots to be one of the most exasperating issues in general content. Dots can fall because of no fault of your own, via odd bosses (say the shark bosses that swap), a tank that full stops then pulls again, or just extreme movement at the beginning of a fight that forces you at full stop for a bit. Long enough to have to recast dots before bahamut which is super annoying and dps plummets. I grumble every time they fall in a bad situation. Decreasing dependency would be better than increasing it imo and would better deal with niche situations where things go south.
If I had to pick 3 things to deal with on smn without changing the rotation I'd simplify at least one thing we have to use to make the rotation less busy at the beginning esp, set a fixed position on bahamut and phx with a heel option (I know that might not be easy to fix), and fix the dot issue. If I had a suggestion on how to fix it, I'd give it but I just know if feels off and don't know how it'd be better. -
08-08-2019, 04:20 AMAomine1992
All they need is 33 secs on the dang dots lol come on SE stop being silly and freaking listen to the player base or like someone else said lower trance CDs but one of the two has to happen to make the dots not be such an exhausting part about the job. Or final lazy move just buff ruin without the dots but do something lol
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08-08-2019, 06:54 AMNovaBismarck
Ah, here's something that Nemekh posted that includes the Japanese to English translation on the Live Letter if anyone needed it:
http://www.akhmorning.com/news/pll_53
The Letter from the Producer LIVE Part LIII Update Thread had me confused a bit. -
08-08-2019, 09:08 AMDyvid
Well the question seems to more related about skills line up together and less about DoTs themselve. Personally I don't think we have too many skills, just skills that aren't working together in harmony. The job feels "busy" because it's not smoothly going through a rotation.
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08-08-2019, 09:16 AMTaiyouSeishinOk... so thought i havent touched my smn just yet (but will be my caster dps) should i be more concerned? Or....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
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08-08-2019, 09:24 AMNemekhThanks for the shout out! I wrote it pretty quickly but hopefully, it addresses what people were keen on finding out from the PLL.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaBismarck
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08-08-2019, 09:28 AMMadokaThis translation gives me more hope. Sadly this also means either this or the official one is very wrong. hoping it's the official one.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaBismarck
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08-08-2019, 09:28 AMDyvidNot terribly concerned at this point. As you level it'll feel a little off at times. Personally I still find it fun to play still and use it in Dungeons and my normal raids. It's really up to the player if it's something they like. But things might change between now and October/NovemberQuote:
Originally Posted by TaiyouSeishin
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08-08-2019, 11:34 AMAomine1992Right now the class is garbage but that just my opinion, I feel like in savage I have to work 10x as hard as everyone else while still pulling mediocre dps. If there’s no DRG or DNC present it’s even worse lol. Buuuut you should not be concerned at all the devs see that they jacked up with the class and intend on reworking it.Quote:
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For casual content like dungeons, ex trials and what not it’s pretty great. -
08-08-2019, 11:15 PMSequora
I'm curious when 5.08 will be dropping. I know 5.05 just came out last week, but maybe the beginning of September.
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08-08-2019, 11:32 PMMansionFor Stormblood there was a patch 3 weeks after Deltascape Savage launch, so maybe 20 August :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequora
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08-09-2019, 12:22 AMChaoticCrimson
Ah, so they are considering DoT extensions then. In which case, I could live with that, as long as it improves the flow of things. I do still hope they address the clunkiness of the pets in the future as well, but otherwise this would be a fair start.
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08-09-2019, 02:44 AMNovaBismarckThank you. Yes, I found the original Live Letter Q and A confusing honestly. It didn't quite add up. I don't know how buffing more damage on ruin quite makes sense for fixing any sort of issue with dots and dot timing.Quote:
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TaiyouSeishin, If you haven't leveled smn yet, yes it's tricky. There is less mobility, a really tight timing rotation, some issues with dots, a lot of buttons going on, and some clunkiness. Some things are a matter of adjusting, some just seem like design that doesn't work. Overall, it takes a tremendous amount of practice compared to other classes (excluding nin) to get the rotation nailed down and you really benefit from knowing a fight inside and out. I leveled it anyway and I don't regret that, but I am definitely leveling other classes more before I try to maximize dps and lock in muscle memory. There's no formal release date on 5.08 yet (that I know of), maybe someone else has a guess as to when? -
08-09-2019, 03:49 AMArdoxQuote:
Originally Posted by Sequora
Looks like there is some words missing: A early (fan made) translation said they would remove the requirement and that's the only way I can read the official translation to make any sense..
Yes it feels clunky at time, but personally I enjoy the class on a casual level. It's nice you don't have to concern yourself with the egis' health, it's nice to have the egis' ability switch automatically. It's nice the job integrates the egis a little more (No longer summon, sic and forget). There's problem with the implementation, but the concept is nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaiyouSeishin
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08-09-2019, 03:55 AMTaiyouSeishinThe way i read that, "reworking ruin potency to be higher" increasing its power "dependant on the number of dots inflicted on the target" so i read it as not an increase to ruin, but an increase to the buff to ruin from dots...at least according to this translationQuote:
Originally Posted by Ardox
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08-09-2019, 04:07 AMArdoxFair, I think it's a valid way to read it too..Quote:
Originally Posted by TaiyouSeishin
My only caveat with that reading is how would that address the SMN original problem? Won't it make the original oGCD bloat even more punishing? -
08-09-2019, 04:39 AMTaiyouSeishinIn my mmo experience woth game devs, "oh you have an issue with the cooldown of this ability? Well we are increasing the damage of the ability that leada into it! Isnt that great?"Quote:
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08-09-2019, 05:43 AMGoji1639Sounds like the idea is better reward for the complexity, instead of necessarily just going with less complexity. It looked like he did say they were looking into extending DoT timers as well, so a buff and a little more leniency with tracking DoTs is a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardox
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08-09-2019, 06:14 AModym82
Moar Summons
Upgrade Egis into useful Summons
All the things
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08-09-2019, 06:33 AMCled-cat
The whole Ruin/DoT mage aspect really isn’t that fun imo. It just feels like a boring load of filler in between the *actual* fun parts, being the Demi-summons. I say just get rid of the DoT’s and rework trance/summons to be more frequent and potent to compensate.
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08-09-2019, 09:03 AMSequora
I wish more of the damage was moved to our egis
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08-09-2019, 10:11 AMKaikyrius
Please don't hate me for mentioning this, but I kinda wish they would take a page out of Blizzard's book and look how they changed demonology warlocks where different abilities summon/cast different pets. For example, remove a dot ability and make it summon a leviathan egi that shoots water bolts for a set amount of time. Something like that anyways.
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08-09-2019, 10:35 AMxicious
I honestly feel this class functions more like elemental shaman then it does warlock now.
How about keeping ruin 4 while dots are applied? Or is that too broke?