So... No old hairstyles for Viera according to Q&A

The title say as much.

In today live letter was asked for new hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar:

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Q: Are there plans to add more hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar?

A: Of course we'll continue to add new hairstyles, so please look forward to future patches. It still has to be race-specific so it won't match the pace of the other races, but there will be more hairstyles added

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Originally Posted by AngelyLowell

The title say as much.

In today live letter was asked for new hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar:

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this is extremely dissapointing. Idk who was in charge of the new races, but the decisions of genderlock combined with the halves of the races we got being extremely limited makes me hope that whoever said this to happen isnt in charge of a future expansion feature ever again

To me that says that they will be adding more, just not at the same pace as the "normal" races.

That is really disappointing. I was hoping I would eventually be able to wear my Gyr Abanian Plait hair one day. Womp womp.

Doesn't this contradict another interview that said Viera will get some of the unlockable hairstyles?
If this is the case, then this is the nail in the coffin for Viera. I noticed more and more people switching back to the other races. I miss my unlocked hairstyles and headgear options too much, so I might be switching back if that's the case. I worked too hard for my unlockable hairstyles to just have them disregarded.

The kicker is though, they'll be adding more just for Viera, and Hrothgar as well. That's the problem when you've unique features on your head, previous styles just won't work most times, so all new have to be made.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To me that says that they will be adding more, just not at the same pace as the "normal" races.

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Exactly that!

Since the beggining Viera's and Hrotghar's hairstyles are different from the other races (ears and size, and whatever more to justify that). So, yes, they WILL do more hairstyles for them both, but in a different pace compared to the other races 'cause they are specific for them. So, all we need to do is wait for the EXCLUSIVE new hairstyles for those two races from new paches to come :3

I don't see any problem with that. They've told us these 2 races have their own harstyles since the begginig when they was annouced.

This was one of the low points of the live letter for me as well. While I quite like my hair right now I do wish I could alternate between this and some of the longer styles that the other races have, as well as the newest gold saucer hair.

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

Exactly that!

Since the beggining Viera's and Hrotghar's hairstyles are different from the other races (ears and size, and whatever more to justify that). So, yes, they WILL do more hairstyles for them both, but in a different pace compared to the other races 'cause they are specific for them. So, all we need to do is wait for the EXCLUSIVE new hairstyles for those two races from new paches to come :3

I don't see any problem with that. They've told us these 2 races have their own harstyles since the begginig when they was annouced.

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I think the point wasn't EXCLUSIVE new hairstyles. The issue here is that people are worried about their over the years unlocked hairstyles and mogstation hairstyles. Will they be added? That is the question. If not, why? And will there be a warning message on the character creation screen for these 2 races to warn new and existing players that if you choose/fantasia to these races certain hairstyles will not be available including previously unlocked and purchased from mogstation.
Another thing is the current races receive 1 or 2 new hairstyles per patch so if viera/hrothgar will not get the same pace as the "normal" ones that means ONLY viera/hrothgar will get new hairstyles in odd number patches of that concept which brings up to another question why bother creating these 2 new races in the first place then, if some of the existing feature that are currently in placed are excluded just for these 2 limited races.

I really don't understand why for Viera is so hard. I get Hrotghar being their hair is tied to the face model, but Viera is really just a pair of ears thrown on top of a model. It should work with most hair with little issue.

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Originally Posted by silverdragontyr

I really don't understand why for Viera is so hard. I get Hrotghar being their hair is tied to the face model, but Viera is really just a pair of ears thrown on top of a model. It should work with most hair with little issue.

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From what I've seen, since my friend has all the unlockable and bought hairstyles, the base of the ears wouldn't mesh well to the lines of the hairs, for my ears at least which are the slight canted back ones.

at least you guys have more than 2 hairstyles and you don't have to use a fantasia to change them. :v

*plays tiny violin*

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

I think the point wasn't EXCLUSIVE new hairstyles. The issue here is that people are worried about their over the years unlocked hairstyles and mogstation hairstyles. Will they be added? That is the question. If not, why? And will there be a warning message on the character creation screen for these 2 races to warn new and existing players that if you choose/fantasia to these races certain hairstyles will not be available including previously unlocked and purchased from mogstation.
Another thing is the current races receive 1 or 2 new hairstyles per patch so if viera/hrothgar will not get the same pace as the "normal" ones that means ONLY viera/hrothgar will get new hairstyles in odd number patches of that concept which brings up to another question why bother creating these 2 new races in the first place then, if some of the existing feature that are currently in placed are excluded just for these 2 limited races.

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Yep, i see all that.
But they annouced that before releasing 5.0: "they will have only exclusive hairstyles". So, all that you guys are concerning about here would meant to be known beforehand. I know this is sad and not everyone knew that from the start, but, yes. They told us about it before introducing those races.

I would love if they did things differently, but I like to think that they have tried to do as we wanted first before deciding to insert them as they are now. Maybe some limitation on the engine, bug with Viera's ears design, schedule limitations, sarcastic humor around the team... dunno for sure. '-'

Made my day.

I can see it honestly, you try adding those hairs onto a unique head like that and it's not going to look exactly like the hairs you unlocked - so people are just going to complain because their unlocked hairs on this race don't look the same as the unlocked hairs on 'insert old race you were using it on'. Lighting hair would look like crap on Viera. The PvP hair and HoH hair would look like an absolute joke on Hrothgar without it being ridiculously edited. Same goes for the 'Snow' hair.

Hopefully, these new hairs for the race will look amazing and actually suit the races without looking like a gross copy and paste. Still, it's unfortunate that they the old hairs won't be unlocked. It would be wise to put information down regarding the limitation.

Quite disappointing and ridiculous. They adapted them to Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears - there is literally no excuse as to why they can't be adapted to fit Viera ears.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To me that says that they will be adding more, just not at the same pace as the "normal" races.

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Yeah I also read just what was wrote, and not some conjecture beyond it based on personal fears.

They really should be able to add all the shared existing hairstyles to Viera. The ears on Miqote mesh weird on some hair styles but they still get them anyway. Sounds like they just don't think its a high priority. :/

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Quite disappointing and ridiculous. They adapted them to Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears - there is literally no excuse as to why they can't be adapted to fit Viera ears.

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Au ra and miqo'te heads aren't so different in design either. Go look at the heads of Baras and bun buns from the side and then come back. The heads are not the same shape and they even said they are completely different to the normal heads everyone else has. Understanding that it makes sense why the old hairs don't work on the new races. If you just pasted them on them it'll break and or bend or both.
You can't just paste those things on other things.. 3D modeling doesn't work that way,.

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Originally Posted by Enthy

They really should be able to add all the shared existing hairstyles to Viera. The ears on Miqote mesh weird on some hair styles but they still get them anyway. Sounds like they just don't think its a high priority. :/

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they wont because then itd be obvious how little care and attention they put into male hrotgar and how basically from what it seems 99% of their resources and screen time is for female viera. They legit put female viera in a freacking milkshake. We cant go anywhere without seeing them. Its quite ridicolous at this point how bad they try and stuff female viera down our throats if Im honest, and I do like them, I have just grown sooooooo tired of seeing them

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I can see it honestly, you try adding those hairs onto a unique head like that and it's not going to look exactly like the hairs you unlocked - so people are just going to complain because their unlocked hairs on this race don't look the same as the unlocked hairs on 'insert old race you were using it on'. Lighting hair would look like crap on Viera. The PvP hair and HoH hair would look like an absolute joke on Hrothgar without it being ridiculously edited. Same goes for the 'Snow' hair.

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Viera’s only issue is the parting of the hair or any optional braids/clips possibly clashing with some of the ear base’s fluff, but that already happens with some of their unique hairstyles. The only 3 optional hair styles that wouldn't work out would be the lightning one (horribly pixeled/modeled), the afro (would eat the ears), the pyros hairstyle (braid would get cut off by the ears).

Of the existing free hairs, the sideshaved hair ladies get + the long sideshaved mullet would probably look bad, but thats all I can think of that'd be bad-bad? Even the infamous meatball style would work on them assuming they put the meatballs on the sides like miqos lol.

Of cash shop hairs, their earfluff might cover a tiny bit of the topmost braid on minfilia's hair, but would be completely fine with aymeric/yshtola.

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Originally Posted by silverdragontyr

I really don't understand why for Viera is so hard. I get Hrotghar being their hair is tied to the face model, but Viera is really just a pair of ears thrown on top of a model. It should work with most hair with little issue.

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I don't understand this either. 90 percent of the unlockable hairstyles would like fine on Viera with little to no clipping with the ears

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Originally Posted by zeylos

they wont because then itd be obvious how little care and attention they put into male hrotgar and how basically from what it seems 99% of their resources and screen time is for female viera. They legit put female viera in a freacking milkshake. We cant go anywhere without seeing them. Its quite ridicolous at this point how bad they try and stuff female viera down our throats if Im honest, and I do like them, I have just grown sooooooo tired of seeing them

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They put plenty of care and attention into Hrothgar. I don't know what you're on about. Hrothgar have turned out amazing and they were all over the First.

The decision to lock their hairs to their faces and their limited customization at the aesthetician makes me think otherwise. I've held off on turning one of my characters back into Roegadyn to see if in patch 5.1 they get a new hairstyle, but if I had to look back I would have only fantasiaed my Viera character at launch.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Viera’s only issue is the parting of the hair or any optional braids/clips possibly clashing with some of the ear base’s fluff, but that already happens with some of their unique hairstyles. The only 3 optional hair styles that wouldn't work out would be the lightning one (horribly pixeled/modeled), the afro (would eat the ears), the pyros hairstyle (braid would get cut off by the ears).

Of the existing free hairs, the sideshaved hair ladies get + the long sideshaved mullet would probably look bad, but thats all I can think of that'd be bad-bad? Even the infamous meatball style would work on them assuming they put the meatballs on the sides like miqos lol.

Of cash shop hairs, their earfluff might cover a tiny bit of the topmost braid on minfilia's hair, but would be completely fine with aymeric/yshtola.

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Not really. Their heads are abit longer if you look at them from the side. That'll break the old hairs if 3D modeling I took says anything. It wouldn't work cause everyone else's head doesn't stretch out like that. Viera's clearly does. That is the bigger issue I think. Either way they are getting their own hairs so just have to wait for them.

That's...Disappointing I was hoping my bunny lass could have dreads...Aww :(

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

They put plenty of care and attention into Hrothgar. I don't know what you're on about. Hrothgar have turned out amazing and they were all over the First.

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You know that anything goes for using Hrothgar to garner simpathy for Viera in general, while underhandedly attacking it at the same time for "stealing" Male Viera's spot.

It is really disappointing... I couldn't even try the new hairstyle that I got from Gold Saucer. They both were released at the same time, even so Viera couldn't wear it...
All the time I spent trying to farm the hairs in Eureka... *sigh* I love Viera and I don't want to switch back ATM, but it's sad...

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Originally Posted by zeylos

this is extremely dissapointing. Idk who was in charge of the new races, but the decisions of genderlock combined with the halves of the races we got being extremely limited makes me hope that whoever said this to happen isnt in charge of a future expansion feature ever again

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they said many many times that this was discussed with the team constantly. it is a fairy tale to believe that only 1 person made the decision between X amount of work and 4(X) amount of work.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

they wont because then itd be obvious how little care and attention they put into male hrotgar and how basically from what it seems 99% of their resources and screen time is for female viera. They legit put female viera in a freacking milkshake. We cant go anywhere without seeing them. Its quite ridicolous at this point how bad they try and stuff female viera down our throats if Im honest, and I do like them, I have just grown sooooooo tired of seeing them

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how you blame SE for players playing Viera is beyond me..

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Originally Posted by Strika23

I don't understand this either. 90 percent of the unlockable hairstyles would like fine on Viera with little to no clipping with the ears

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^This. But, there's people in this thread that apparently are reaching for the stars in their attempt at making it seem like Viera are so special that it would take an insurmountable amount of work. Please.

Lala have very large heads. Elezen have very small heads. Miqo'te have similarly shaped ears, and Au Ra had horns that actually forced some styles to be actually reshaped to fit the horns that lay against the side of the face. All of the above races had the hair adapted to them, yet Viera are just impossible. It's almost laughable.

This makes me quite happy I changed back to Lala. Way too many good hairstyles to be limited to the 6 that Viera have (yes, I know it's technically more, but in reality these others are just bangs/no bangs).

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

^This. But, there's people in this thread that apparently are reaching for the stars in their attempt at making it seem like Viera are so special that it would take an insurmountable amount of work. Please.

Lala have very large heads. Elezen have very small heads. Miqo'te have similarly shaped ears, and Au Ra had horns that actually forced some styles to be actually reshaped to fit the horns that lay against the side of the face. All of the above races had the hair adapted to them, yet Viera are just impossible. It's almost laughable.

This makes me quite happy I changed back to Lala. Way too many good hairstyles to be limited to the 6 that Viera have (yes, I know it's technically more, but in reality these others are just bangs/no bangs).

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Again.... their heads ARE quite different. The devs even mentioned this before Shadows was released. How they are different I don't know but clearly they are otherwise they would have access to the hairs. You think the devs are sitting there laughing at you for this choice or something? If it was doable it'll be done. Clearly SOMETHING is stopping them, once again... 3D modeling isn't a copy and paste job.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

Not really. Their heads are abit longer if you look at them from the side. That'll break the old hairs if 3D modeling I took says anything. It wouldn't work cause everyone else's head doesn't stretch out like that. Viera's clearly does. That is the bigger issue I think. Either way they are getting their own hairs so just have to wait for them.

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While this would require adjusting, devs already have adjusted existing hairs to fit various head shapes and even add extra bits to cover miqo'te's "empty" ear space. I'm hardly saying this all needs to be done right now_ this exact instant_, but this isn't a huge game-breaker modeling wise. People bring up the human-but -different-ears because the last time they were given the question about hair styles they blamed the ears, that they'd have to punch ear holes in hairstyles to make them work.

Well that settles it. Was planning on switching of my Vieras back to Catgirl and this sealed it. I actually am enjoying Viera, but not really loving the idea of my earned hairstyles being rendered useless so that's one hell of a deal breaker for me.