Final Boss of "The Twinning" Hunting for lore (Spoilers)

I'll be updating this if I can find copies of the notes, next run through I'm getting screenshots and transcribing them.


The notes imply that first the tower, and then alexander, and then omega where studdied.

The music seems to be a blend of all these things, but something about the lyrics is slightly ... I feel like there's another clue in it.

In the boss chamber of the tycoon, there's alexander style viewing portals, one is a constant stream of Wedge the 3rd, one seems to be inside the omegascape, one seems to be part of the sycrus tower, does anybody recognize any of the others?

Here is the notes https://imgur.com/a/ZXisytc

Full understanding of what's going on in the Twinning relates back to G'raha's explanation to Urianger in 'The Unbroken Thread' - I don't have the script on hand, but basically Cid survived the Eighth Calamity, worked out the theory for time/dimensional travel based on information gained from CT/Alexander/Omega, and entrusted that knowledge for future generations to decide to put into use. That ultimately led to the tower being adapted into a time machine to send G'raha back in time to enact their plan, change history and prevent the Calamity.


Also worth noting: the central chamber of the tower resembles Alexander's core as seen in A11 (Cruise Chaser), with the huge crystal hanging above it and the green pool of aether at the base.


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Lyrics (copied from the lyrics compilation thread):


"A Long Fall", the main dungeon theme for the Twinning:

A drifting tender,
Come ride, heroes, ride
Her galleon severed
Away with the tide

The storm head gathers,
Come ride, heroes, ride
Illusions scattered
Away with the tide

Time
Try, dare the dead tread ahead on a road that is borrowed design.
Through the sum of their sons do they seek tomorrow.
Tonight, witness then as the end shall begin what was final.
Their lies, folding back, further back, ever back to primal.

"eScape", the full version of Omega's theme from which the lyrics originate:

A drifting tender,
Come ride, heroes, ride
Her galleon severed
Away with the tide

The storm head gathers,
Come ride, heroes, ride
Illusions scattered
Away with the tide

Why
Do weathered warriors wander their way wither wanting wonders wait.
Hark the heralds, anchors aweigh! Hither happens mine escape.
Freedom forgone, sinking apace. Comets crumble, Phoebus fades.
Under cosmic clamor decayed, hides a path untaken.

Ancient echoes
Come ride, heroes, ride
In deafening silence
Away with the tide

A wave of hazard
Come ride, heroes, ride
A-whorling inward
Away with the tide

Time
Stellar stories starward bestrewn, slipping sidewise; see, they're snakes.
Twixt the leaves you'll find naught amiss--missing aughts and crossing fates.
Freedom surgent shifting ahead, comets dancing in her wake
To the cosmic clarions accord, along the path not taken.

Try, dare the dead tread ahead on a road that is borrowed design.
Through the sum of their sons do they seek tomorrow.
Tonight, witness then as the end shall begin what was final.
Their lies, folding back, further back, ever back to primal.

"Locus", the Alexander boss theme reused for the Twinning's final boss:

Seeking the peace of reason
Sheep in a peaceless season
Reason to keep believing
Waken the beast who's sleeping

Let go this destiny, you're caught in a trance
Ever marking time inside a dream, no sign of advance
You see, the mortal coil we serve is taut like a spring
Step back! Two-step, two-step, two-step one two three

Our world's a fantasy, no more than a test
Ever feeding off the fallacy creating this mess
Deep down inside this bleak machine with all the rest
Break free! Two-phase, two-phase electricity

Time turning up the volume
Time turning on us always
No time enough tomorrow
For turning back to where we began

Twenty-two sectors tested
Fragments in one direction
Celestial noise detected
Delirium unsuspected
Static tuned in to reason
Time in the aether deepens
Transmissions blink uncompleted
Seven two three two three...<send>

Arrested destiny, alone in a trance
No escaping from this waking dream, no hope for advance,
You see, the mortal coil we serve is naught but a spring
Unwind! Too slow, too quick, too much to believe

Your world's a fantasy, you've failed the test
Ever forging all new fallacies creating more mess
Directly through this bleak machine, with all of the rest
DC! Dying, dying, electricity

Falling back right into the system of
Falling back on all that's erased
When fighting back right out of this system
Means falling back right into this space

Yes, falling back right in with the system
Who'll see you falling back to the end
When falling back is better than simply
Falling back into pieces again

Silent steel breathing, breathing
Memory writing, reading
Error! Repeat deleting
Radicals flowing free and

Energy slowly seeping
Suspending all disbelief in
Synergy with our being
Synapses fire in three, then...

Interestingly it's the theme used for the "lesser" bosses and not the final boss of each raid set, or for Alexander Prime which the Tycoon is directly modeled on. We do hear a lot more of it though, and it's the song I'd first associate with the raids in general.

The lyrics for 'Locus' are definitely interesting - though hard to make sense of, and I wonder how much 'intent' there was in writing it versus just throwing together phrases that sounded good, but I feel like there are more 'hooks' that match up with Shadowbringers than there are with Alexander. But there are parallel themes between the two plots anyway.

The lines about being in a trance or dream probably were intended for Dayan trapped in what he described as "Alexander's dream", but could easily apply to G'raha sleeping in the tower.

And multiple references to erasing or turning back time, which is what the Illuminati were trying to do, but G'raha and the Future Ironworks were the ones who actually succeeded in doing so. (Ironically paralleling them to the villains in Alexander, by their actions at least, though their motive is very different. I did have to laugh when I was replaying it and we learned that Quickthinx claims to be "a traveler from the future come to the present to return history to its proper state"...)


'eScape', having come out much closer to Shadowbringers itself, seems likely to have been written with this double use already in mind - and makes far more sense in this context. The verse reused in 'The Long Fall' is most obvious ("their lies folding back to primal"), but the other "long" verses in the full version tie in as well. Time, a path untaken, crossing fates.

"Through the sum of their sons do they seek tomorrow" is prettymuch the theme of the expansion - we will not live forever, but do what we can to entrust the best future to those not yet born.

Datalog 4.5 does beg the question of how exactly they made Omega's tech work?

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It just says they're looking at it but all previous research has hit a dead end. Think Alpha helped them or something?

Yeah, I want to think Alpha and (more importantly) mini-Omega turned up and helped them.

I remain convinced that Omega successfully transmitted its mind into the OMG and is now off on a journey to gain a soul just like Alpha did.

We know Omega sent a last-second transmission to the "Savage unlock" terminal, and the OMG was just a mindless toy that Biggs and Wedge were working on and "must've forgotten to switch it off"... and yet there it is, seemingly aware and moving on its own.

For what it's worth, once you get Alexander's Wings of Time working (and the Ironworks had direct access to all but the primal core of Alexander), you can observe Omega directly and mathematically extrapolate from possibilities until you narrow down specifics of how it "must" work.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

For what it's worth, once you get Alexander's Wings of Time working (and the Ironworks had direct access to all but the primal core of Alexander), you can observe Omega directly and mathematically extrapolate from possibilities until you narrow down specifics of how it "must" work.

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That does depend on exactly how the Wings of Time work and what they can do with them. The screens in the final room indicate they might have the ability to observe across time and space (which would let them examine Omega as you suggested) but they don't seem to have been able to actually travel time prior to G'raha's single trip to the First, judging from the 'final message' we hear in the quest.

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With the tower activated and the temporal displacement apparatus online, all that remains is to throw the switch. And pray.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Interestingly it's the theme used for the "lesser" bosses and not the final boss of each raid set, or for Alexander Prime which the Tycoon is directly modeled on. We do hear a lot more of it though, and it's the song I'd first associate with the raids in general.

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"Rise" is about the Illuminati rising up to use Alexander's power to solve all of their problems and dominate the world. Thematically, it's more Quickthinx's theme than Alexander's. Kind of a subtle hint that Alexander wasn't really the villain of the story at all.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That does depend on exactly how the Wings of Time work and what they can do with them. The screens in the final room indicate they might have the ability to observe across time and space (which would let them examine Omega as you suggested) but they don't seem to have been able to actually travel time prior to G'raha's single trip to the First, judging from the 'final message' we hear in the quest.

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What I mean is that once you can observe Omega and discern what it's doing, you can recreate its functions as a means of traversing the rift. It's a logical hierarchy.

[1] The Emperor's Throne can breach a dimensional boundary. We saw it break into the void, which is small potatoes compared to breaking into a healthy dimension. However, if you're out to delete your own timeline, anyway, who cares how much power is required or what damage is done? And they had generations to work on that power source.

[2] If you break directly into another dimension, chances are you're breaking into it "today", where it is relative to you right now. Ergo, you can't just charge the Throne and cut in. Who knows what would happen. Who knows if a hole directly between the Source and First wouldn't just unmake the distinction between them. You have to leave the Source, enter the Rift, navigate the rift, and enter the First.

[3] You'll need the Wings of Time to attempt to not just end up at relative-today on the First. Even though the future Ironworks would figure out how to open a gate into the Rift, figure out how to navigate the Rift, and figure out where to aim for, he didn't stick the landing because relative-today wasn't where it "should have been;" time moves at the same speed within dimensions but the relativity between them oscillates unpredictably. Either way, the Emperor's Throne and the Wings of Time only get you so far. You need to know how to navigate the Rift. You need Omega tech.

[4] You can use the Wings of Time to observe Omega directly, extrapolate the possibilities for what it could do, and use those possibilities to exclude all the ways it can't work to identify what it is doing and then try to replicate that tech. The Wings of Time are all about possibilities and extrapolation; it could "see" worlds that never existed and things that never came to be, but it didn't think it could improve anything by taking action itself to change time from a 4D perspective.

[5] Use the Emperor's Throne to cut into the Rift, use the Omega tech to navigate the Rift, use the Wings of Time to step outside of the present and aim for a re-entry point, and then use the "summoning spell" to "unstick" people from where they "are" and bring them to where you "are" ... but that will be relative-today.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

What I mean is that once you can observe Omega and discern what it's doing, you can recreate its functions as a means of traversing the rift. It's a logical hierarchy.

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I think there might be some confusion going on with terminology.

The phrase "Wings of Time" is specifically invoked when calling Alexander to move through time.

The mathematical ability to calculate possible futures is separate, and seems to be referred to as "Alexander's dream".

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BIGGS AND WEDGE'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE
https://www.garlandtools.org/db/#quest/67872

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ROUNDROX
Pssshkoh... Yes... Much swirlybright... Timewings...can spread... Travel to overtimes... Make bad things...good again...
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Uplanders...hold on to braincases. Timewings...spread!

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JUDGEMENT DAY
https://www.garlandtools.org/db/#quest/67874

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QUICKTHINX ALLTHOUGHTS
O, Alexander! Lord of steel and whirlycogs! Outspread wings of time─let ignorant and unworthy feel divine judgment!

Y'SHTOLA
The codex responds... He means to return to the past!

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DAYAN
Oh, if you could see the worlds we have seen! A world in which the Illuminati rule history with an iron fist, every nation brought under their yoke. A world in which Alexander spread wide the wings of time and swept the lesser moon from the heavens, averting the Calamity...

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DAYAN
Were the wings of time to fall into the hands of the Illuminati, the repercussions would be dire indeed. History would be rewritten over and over again, each time bleeding the land of aether. And in the end, the colossus would usher in another calamity.

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And on "Alexander's dream"...

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DAYAN
How best to put it? We stand inside a mathematical simulation, calculated and projected by the device at the heart of the colossus. One might equally say it is the dream that Alexander dreams...
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Alexander dreamed all the realities imaginable─all the realities mathematically computable [...]

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So saying they could use the "wings of time" to observe Omega is dependent on them being able to open a real window through time and space to observe it without being detectable. Using the "dream" (supercomputer) to calculate its abilities is different.

But by the way the phrase is used in Alexander, the Future Ironworks team haven't actually used the wings of time until that one moment where they "throw the switch and pray".

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

"Rise" is about the Illuminati rising up to use Alexander's power to solve all of their problems and dominate the world. Thematically, it's more Quickthinx's theme than Alexander's. Kind of a subtle hint that Alexander wasn't really the villain of the story at all.

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I did read the lyrics and think that, but the thought didn't make it into my post.

'Locus' is definitely more generic (by chance or design?) but 'Rise' is specifically linked to the events of Alexander.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

In the boss chamber of the tycoon, there's alexander style viewing portals, one is a constant stream of Wedge the 3rd, one seems to be inside the omegascape, one seems to be part of the sycrus tower, does anybody recognize any of the others?

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I had a look at them tonight and they seem to correspond to the datalogs - the things they would have drawn on to work out the technology:

1. Nero at the Syrcus Tower lookout - when he throws his magitek compass into the trench and it detects... something. If it's the beacon, that must have been sent back through time separately to the tower itself, or it shouldn't be there yet.

2. The voidgate at Xande's throne - this reminds me that the Ironworks have already successfully built technology for opening some kind of dimensional rift - and used Syrcus Tower as a power source for it!

3. Biggs and Wedge on Alexander's head-platform - this would be from our first time-travel trip to three years ago that set off the main time loop.

4. (can't take credit for recognising this but) The point in Alexander where we time-travel to save our past self.

5. Omega's dimensional rift.

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Also for the record - there is no "Wedge the Third" (that we know of), it's Biggs the Third from the recording after the Twinning, and presumably seen accompanying G'raha in that first-person-dream-Echo. We don't know if Wedge survived the calamity, although you could take it as a roundabout shipping nod that Tataru's death would be the reason we don't have a purple-haired Wedge as part of the future team....

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The phrase "Wings of Time" is specifically invoked when calling Alexander to move through time.

The mathematical ability to calculate possible futures is separate, and seems to be referred to as "Alexander's dream".

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That works. I was going by this, but that distinction fits here, too.

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Dayan
How best to put it? We stand inside a mathematical simulation, calculated and projected by the device at the heart of the colossus. One might equally say it is the dream that Alexander dreams...

Mide
And what of our companions? Are they...?

Dayan
...Their fate was not mine to change, Mide. All that came to pass did so for a reason. History is as it was─as it should be─free of the paradoxes that spelled its undoing.

From this place─unfettered by the mortal construct of time─Alexander looks out upon past, present, and future, seeing infinite possibilities. I see what it sees, and feel what it feels─this perfect machine, born from yearnings for an ideal world.

Oh, if you could see the worlds we have seen! A world in which the Illuminati rule history with an iron fist, every nation brought under their yoke. A world in which Alexander spread wide the wings of time and swept the lesser moon from the heavens, averting the Calamity...

Alexander dreamed all the realities imaginable─all the realities mathematically computable─and in the end, reached a single, logical conclusion. It would change nothing, and erase itself from existence.

Mide
But...why?

Dayan
Alexander possesses the power to travel through time and space, and reshape history for the better─but such power comes at great cost. The sheer quantity of aether consumed in the process means that Alexander itself would─mayhap not immediately, but inevitably─bring ruin to this world. This perfect machine, this supreme manifestation of logic and science, deemed its own existence a threat.

And so it chose to do nothing. To leave history untouched, and the future in the hands of man, with all his imperfections. Such was Alexander's divine judgment.

A time will come when the fate of this world is placed in the hands of one warrior. For reasons hidden to me, the future from that day forth remains shrouded in mystery─beyond even the colossus's ability to calculate. And yet Alexander chose to believe in that [person], and the light within [them].

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Though it does raise some questions about the completely different category of time shenanigans we're dealing with in 5.0

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I had a look at them tonight and they seem to correspond to the datalogs - the things they would have drawn on to work out the technology:

1. Syrcus Tower from the lookout - I want to say it's a shot of G'raha Tia looking at the tower, but between the graphic overlay and having to dodge lasers in the boss battle, it was a bit hard to tell whether there was a figure there or not. But from memory I think we had a non-cutscene conversation with him there just before entering the World of Darkness.

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It's Nero Scaeva (remember him?), from the end of the CT raid series when he throws his aether detector into the Syrcus Trench (which, I believe you retrieve later in the 5.0 sidequest "You Had One Jobb").

I tried to get a good picture of it but it is at a strange angle.

Still, I'd recognize that guy, that cutscene, and that hobo trenchcoat anywhere. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Swilly

It's Nero Scaeva (remember him?), from the end of the CT raid series when he throws his aether detector into the Syrcus Trench (which, I believe you retrieve later in the 5.0 sidequest "You Had One Jobb").

I tried to get a good picture of it but it is at a strange angle.

Still, I'd recognize that guy, that cutscene, and that hobo trenchcoat anywhere. :cool:

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Thanks for the correction - I did realise it on a closer look when I was going through screenshots the other night, and have been meaning to come back to fix it.

And yes. It's a bit hard to forget him.

Not sure about the quest though (script here).

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UNGAINLY GUARDSMAN
What exactly are the contents, you ask? Among other things, there happens to be a remarkable device that's been entrusted to us in the guard by the Crystal Exarch himself, who is said to have exhumed it from the Crystal Tower!
Though it simply looks like a pretty round gemstone, it somehow has the ability to measure the concentration of aether in the air and matter around us. Needless to say, it's not something that anyone─not even the artisans at the Mean─can just toss together. If I had lost it for good...

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I'm not sure if the physical description of "a pretty round gemstone" fits - and we know from the ending, and can assume from his general inability to move far from the tower, that G'raha Tia can't travel to the Source through the portal. So how then could he "exhume it from the tower" or otherwise acquire it - or what else might it be? It could be a hook for something important, or is it just another "the Exarch has access to mysterious artifacts" thing for world building...?

Something to ponder.

(Of course he did get the other beacon device into the trench somehow, but I can only assume he tossed it through the portal.)

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...what it does make me think of is Koh Rabntah/Noah.

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SYELE
I am sorry to trouble you so soon after your trials in the Crystal Tower, but my colleague Koh Rabntah has gone missing.
She discovered the oddest orb deep within the tower, and said she was returning here to analyze it.

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KOH RABNTAH
You are speaking with none other than Noah, archmagus of Allag! My scholarly works are legend, my treatises of the cosmos priceless, and my very name known throughout the world!
...Or 'twas so once. My soul has whiled away the millennia within an orb. Koh awoke me from my slumber, and... Well, how could I pass up a chance to walk the world again? So I allowed my spirit to flow into her body, and here we are.

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And having just redone the first part of the Ridorana unlock quest... hmm.

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MIKOTO
Simpler... Right... Um... Aether is not only the building block of all things material, but those immaterial as well. Thoughts, memories, feelings, one's very will are all understood to be aetherial phenomena, and can be measured as such. Unlike most crystals, which only can emit elemental energies, auracite is tuned not only to absorb aether, but aether specific to the immaterial. That aether is then stored and multiplied within its crystalline confines until external stimuli precipitate release.

CID
Try again.

MIKOTO
Uh... Ahem. Under appropriate conditions, a strong will or desire can become imprinted upon the auracite and stored until fomentation, at which time the desire becomes manifest─

RAMZA
Fomen...tation?

CID
What my studious young friend is trying to say is that the Otius takes one's deepest fantasies and makes them reality.

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The final conclusion doesn't quite match, but middle of the description certainly does - and I have a sudden suspicion as to what Noah's "oneiromantic pearls" might be made from...

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Originally Posted by Iscah

'Locus' is definitely more generic (by chance or design?) but 'Rise' is specifically linked to the events of Alexander.

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To be fair, "Rise" is also somewhat present in the Twinning theme "A Long Fall". Specifically, it's the bassline.

The Alexander theme which I don't think made it in was "Metal", which is definitely Goblin-specific.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(Of course he did get the other beacon device into the trench somehow, but I can only assume he tossed it through the portal.)

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I just (as in, upon reading this post) realized that given everything we've seen of the First's Crystal Tower via the Twinning, it's highly likely that this beacon device shaped like a gear isn't just a random object imbued with the ability to call forth the Warrior of Light, but is specifically a gear from the Tycoon.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(Of course he did get the other beacon device into the trench somehow, but I can only assume he tossed it through the portal.)

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I'm not sure how canon this is, but part of The Rising actually includes a message from Biggs III.

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(-Large Bottle, Letter V-)I snuck this letter on board a certain apparatus before it was sent hurtling backwards through time and space. As it wasn't accounted for on the storage log, I could begin to calculate where─and when─it will eventually arrive.
(-Large Bottle, Letter V-)Even if I were to succeed in sending it two centuries in the past, the odds that it will safely reach the hands of that hero of legend are infinitesimal at best. And yet, the chance is not zero, and it is in remote possibility that I place my hopes.
(-Large Bottle, Letter V-)My ancestor─the first of the name I now proudly bear─once told me that the hero he befriended was, for all of her many talents, above all a woman possessed of great fortune. Fortune that suggested that the Twelve themselves truly did smile upon her.
(-Large Bottle, Letter V-)In that sense, it's not unreasonable to expect that it is indeed you who is reading my words today. And so, I say: thank you, my friend. Thank you for saving our past, and giving us hope for a brighter future. And above all, please look after him, won't you?
Yours,
Biggs, Third of His Name
Eighteenth President of Garlond Ironworks

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Sentimental bits aside, he mentions 'a certain apparatus' and a storage log. Personally I find it kind of odd to refer to the tower as an apparatus but maybe that's just me...

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

To be fair, "Rise" is also somewhat present in the Twinning theme "A Long Fall". Specifically, it's the bassline.

The Alexander theme which I don't think made it in was "Metal", which is definitely Goblin-specific.

I just (as in, upon reading this post) realized that given everything we've seen of the First's Crystal Tower via the Twinning, it's highly likely that this beacon device shaped like a gear isn't just a random object imbued with the ability to call forth the Warrior of Light, but is specifically a gear from the Tycoon.

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Interesting supposition.. I wonder if it even can relate to this:

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Originally Posted by AmemeAmeklin

I'm not sure how canon this is, but part of The Rising actually includes a message from Biggs III.

Sentimental bits aside, he mentions 'a certain apparatus' and a storage log. Personally I find it kind of odd to refer to the tower as an apparatus but maybe that's just me...

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I also wonder if people that haven't finished ShB would see that letter

I got the final Alexander battle in raid roulette the other night, and was thinking... Rise is a strange thing, even at the time. This is essentially the point where Alexander says "sorry Quickthinx, im not going with your plan any more" and is testing that we're worthy.

(Interestingly, Alexander only seems to rebel after our time-travel trip to three years ago somewhere around A10 - which is actually the point at which Dayan's soul has just been pulled into the core, from Alexander's perspective...)

Separate lore-ish observation: Alexander uses the same kind of attack as Storge's laser blasts, and acquires angelic wings...

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Originally Posted by AmemeAmeklin

I'm not sure how canon this is, but part of The Rising actually includes a message from Biggs III.

Sentimental bits aside, he mentions 'a certain apparatus' and a storage log. Personally I find it kind of odd to refer to the tower as an apparatus but maybe that's just me...

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I've been wondering about that too. I think it's definitely canon - unlike the other vague "anonymous observer" letters, this one is from an established character.

I also thought "apparatus" seems an odd term to refer to the tower by, and suggests something smaller... but still large enough to sneak a bottle aboard, apparently, so if the beacon was sent back separately, where's the rest of it...?

Though having a "storage log" suggests there's someone who's going to use it, which makes it more likely to be a deliberately vague reference to the tower.

Even though you can only see the story messages reflecting your current progress, they do just seem to be phrasing it as un-spoilery as possible - no mention of dying futures or changing timelines. If someone who'd just played ARR and didn't know any spoilers read this, they'd probably think "cool, the Ironworks eventually worked out time travel and sent a thankyou note back to us for being heroes".

(Never mind the G'raha Tia minion, anyway... but they're not going to see that if they just found the text.)

Then again, it makes sense in-universe too. He can't guarantee when we'll read it if it gets to us, and warning our ARR-self to expect a time-travelling Crystal Tower is probably not a great way to keep their plan of secrecy on track.

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Originally Posted by Ardox

I also wonder if people that haven't finished ShB would see that letter

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They won't - it's restricted by your current story progress.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I also thought "apparatus" seems an odd term to refer to the tower by, and suggests something smaller... but still large enough to sneak a bottle aboard, apparently, so if the beacon was sent back separately, where's the rest of it...?

Though having a "storage log" suggests there's someone who's going to use it, which makes it more likely to be a deliberately vague reference to the tower.

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It's the strange "talking device" that you interact with at the end of SB2. It has complete logs of all things in the tower.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

It's the strange "talking device" that you interact with at the end of SB2. It has complete logs of all things in the tower.

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By "talking device" do you mean the one with the recorded message after completing the Twinning? I can't think what else you'd be referring to, but it isn't there after completing the quest.

In any case, that device was recovered from the tower, implying it was sent back within it - doubly so since the message was meant for G'raha as he was departing - and it ended up in the First, not the Source, so is unlikely to have been dropping beacons or bottled messages for us along the way.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

By "talking device" do you mean the one with the recorded message after completing the Twinning? I can't think what else you'd be referring to, but it isn't there after completing the quest.

In any case, that device was recovered from the tower, implying it was sent back within it - doubly so since the message was meant for G'raha as he was departing - and it ended up in the First, not the Source, so is unlikely to have been dropping beacons or bottled messages for us along the way.

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Right, that is the "inventory" that the bottle does not show up in.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Right, that is the "inventory" that the bottle does not show up in.

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Not necessarily - as far as we know, it's a recording device, possibly a computer - the same design as the Omega datalog terminal currently in Rhalgr's Reach. Not that it actually matters, but all we're told is that there was an inventory somewhere of things they had on board the "apparatus" (presumably the tower / time machine) when they sent it back in time, and it did not have "message in a bottle" listed on it. It could be a paper list for all we know (or need to know).