We've seen some changes with the savage loot system that... are a bit unnecessary and make things worse for low priority characters, but it's nice to see an attempt at improvements I guess.
But, how about a personal loot system? It kind of sucks that raiding is the only thing this game requires an alt character for - and a high maintenance alt at that, since you have to keep current on gear on 2 or 3 characters if that's how much you want to raid.
With a personal loot system - it would be nice to be able to raid with more than one group on only one character, without having to worry about messing up the loot for everyone else. (Not to mention smaller issues like if you bring your better geared alt to a different group one week, there tends to be salt if you take any loot...)
How about a personal loot system?
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07-30-2019, 03:22 PMRisvertasashiHow about a personal loot system?
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07-31-2019, 12:46 AMKyeria
I'm apparently really out of the loop with these loot changes, but I keep hearing people talk about it. I've read the patch notes and guess I'm not understanding something? Can you explain what the loot changes are?
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08-01-2019, 03:16 PMUltimatecaliburNow each of the Savage fights will drop various Edengrace coffers (just like those coffers handed out in ShB quests) that can be opened to give a piece of gear based on the opener's current class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyeria
As the coffers are not role locked, players playing "low gear priority" roles (dps>healers>tanks seems to be the priority I', hearing about) are unlikely to see any raid gear for several weeks as the higher priority roles are given coffers first. -
08-01-2019, 03:25 PMRisvertasashiI think it's more common for it to be DPS > tanks > healers, but essentially yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur
Previously, only upgrade items would be routed to DPS first because, well, if that tank or healer piece drops you can't exactly change it. With the coffers, 100% of the loot can be routed to DPS. -
08-01-2019, 04:10 PMKabooa
The main issue that's been brought up is that it makes pugging even more of a cluster!@#%. This is unfortunate for those without statics, as you're almost always going to full against a full party. While this is functionally not all that different from before (Loot has to drop first, so at least everyone gets their chance now), it also means those who already have their gear aren't barred, let alone discouraged, from rolling again.
For statics, loot can be funneled however. Depends on your static. Mine have decided on "if it's BIS, roll", which is pretty fair imo. -
08-01-2019, 04:15 PMRisvertasashiI wonder if I can convince mine to go with such a policy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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08-01-2019, 04:26 PMCaitsithhhI mean why wouldn’t they? That’s the normal accepted model with coffers and good statics...Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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08-02-2019, 10:39 AMEkimmak
A personal loot system makes way too much sense for an aggressive endgame like this.
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08-09-2019, 06:39 AMMaeka
NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Personal Loot sucks.
I call it "Personal No Loot" because I hate killing a boss and getting nothing but money again and again and again and again and again.
Leave loot alone, please.
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08-09-2019, 07:10 AMHezzlocksBut if the item you need doesn't drop or you lose the roll, you just killed the boss for nothing but money anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
I just don't understand this particular arguement against personal loot. There ARE proper valid arguements against it but this isn't one of them. It's basically the same exact thing as the current system except you cut out the middleman and don't need to roll. -
08-09-2019, 07:22 AMMaekaExcept, in WoW, I've seen bosses get killed and it drops nothing for the entire group. It also removes the option to let others have items you don't actually need. For example, if we kill a boss and I'm a WHM but I tell the group ahead of time I'd like to level my tank alt, the other group members can choose to pass on all -of Fending items that drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hezzlocks
You simply can't do that with Personal No Loot.
Blizzard went full-on ridiculous and removed the OPTION to change it to anything other than Personal No Loot. -
08-09-2019, 08:08 AMHezzlocksThe first bit shouldn't happen, and afaik doesn't happen unless half the group or so have already done the boss and are locked out of loot. Otherwise, sounds like a bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
The rest of what you said, though? They ARE valid arguements against personal loot. I never said there weren't any arguements, just that "I kill a boss and get nothing" isn't one of them.
Basically, yeah, the major downside to personal loot is that it promotes class stacking. If you're the only cloth wearer in the group, you have only one chance of getting gear suitable to you. But if you bring along a slew of clothies, up to 4 in a standard WoW party, then the 4 clothies can pool their loot and increase the odds everyone gets something they need.
Of course, with the coffer system, that actually wouldn't be an issue in ff14, not in raids at least. It wouldn't be a net positive either though as random groups end up with the same result of everyone "needing" it but only a couple of people winning it, and statics would continue funneling it all to their priority member first anyway (or just skipping rolling for it if your static doesn't funnel
The major saving grace of personal loot, however, is the loot protection system, that makes it more likely for you to get loot the more you don't get any loot. This would have very little effect in FF14 though what with the FF14 instance design typically just being single boss fights, barring Alliance Raids and Dungeons -
08-09-2019, 01:25 PMSylvain
II prefer the new loot system à million time over the last one. Being in a static without a DRG in SB, we dropped so much DRG stuff that our monk would have had a higher ilv on its alt job than its main had he gotten all the DRG loots.
We also were plagued with tons of healing stuff to the point our smn actually bought nearly all his pieces with weekly book.
There is nothing more depressing than to see drops for job you don't have in your group or simply don't need. Especially considering some pieces only work for 1 job
However I do agree that it would be nice to be able to go clear the boss more than once a week without gimping other players. -
08-09-2019, 05:01 PMShurrikhanHow is the chance of a drop useful to you proportionate to rolling against up to 7 other people any different, on average, from rolling against up to 7 other people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maeka
My only issue with it is when personal loot is used without actually using personal loot tables. What I bring to the fight shouldn't affect someone else's loot. I would have thought that more obvious than WoW's made it out to seem.