Coincounter lag issue

When trying to avoid the 100-ton smash i run way out of range and about 60% of the time i get hit anyway, even though i run as soon as the log message pops up.

I can only assume this is a lag issue as some people have told me i seem to run a second late, but on my screen im half way across the arena when i get hit.

My reflexes are not slow and i cannot begin to run any sooner.

Im an EU player.

i know there are simialar complaints for ifrit (which is also something i have experienced) but what is more concerning is SE have known about that for some time and still there is a problem with their newest content >.>

PS. why cant SE make him do a downward swing (single target) so every party isnt stacked BLM/THM... again!! let the melee have some fun for a change.

I'm in the UK and know exactly what you mean. Sometimes I'll even start running and soon as I see Ifrit crouch down (BEFORE the log message or animation happens) and still be hit.
Annoying thing is that I usually get a ping of about 50-100 on most other online games I play on my connection.

This is a known server lag problem, and because they are using new/hugely upgraded servers for 2.0 its not financially viable to upgrade servers for this now.

Its the same with Ifrit and his eruptions, the best way to solve it with coincounter is look for when he holds his club in the air then run, or set a log tab to only show the special actions so you never miss it in the log.

The problem is worse for EU players because we are further away from the servers than anyone else, so we are have the worse network latency added on to the server lag and it makes it really hard, I still die to eruptions more than average because of this, but nowhere near as much as I used to.

Another thing you can do its get in voice chat with the people you run with, then get them to shout when to run so you are working off thier network latancy rather than the EU latency (assuming you run with US/middle east people.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

This is a known server lag problem, and because they are using new/hugely upgraded servers for 2.0 its not financially viable to upgrade servers for this now.

Its the same with Ifrit and his eruptions, the best way to solve it with coincounter is look for when he holds his club in the air then run, or set a log tab to only show the special actions so you never miss it in the log.

Another thing you can do its get in voice chat with the people you run with, then get them to shout when to run so you are working off thier network latancy rather than the EU latency (assuming you run with US/middle east people.

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I have a seperate log just for enemy actions and i have even made the text bigger in it, i am seeing the log entry as soon as it appears, i am even keeping my actions to a minimum so im not stuck and can pay full attention to the log.

i know it isnt that because usually i am WAY out of range when i get the damage, i am seriously half way across the arena.

i do use ventrilo but i think by the time someone shouts and then because of latency from ventrilo it will be happening on my screen by the time i hear them anyway.

i understand about the servers, but i dont consider this an excuse. SE should give him a longer start up time.. will this make it easier for people in japan? maybe, but atleast it will make it so people in the EU and other countries dont feel like the game is cheating them.

and i imagine if the player in japan is playing correctly (checking his battle log) he wouldnt be getting hit anyway so increasing the startup time for 100-ton wont make much difference.

Not being able to play because of lag is so 90s.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

This is a known server lag problem, and because they are using new/hugely upgraded servers for 2.0 its not financially viable to upgrade servers for this now.

Its the same with Ifrit and his eruptions, the best way to solve it with coincounter is look for when he holds his club in the air then run, or set a log tab to only show the special actions so you never miss it in the log.

The problem is worse for EU players because we are further away from the servers than anyone else, so we are have the worse network latency added on to the server lag and it makes it really hard, I still die to eruptions more than average because of this, but nowhere near as much as I used to.

Another thing you can do its get in voice chat with the people you run with, then get them to shout when to run so you are working off thier network latancy rather than the EU latency (assuming you run with US/middle east people.

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Unless all those people plus the chat magically predict the future to know to alert you, everything you suggested is useless because if you read the OP properly, you'd know his reactions are not the misfortunate here, its the Lag

To the OP though, WTF are you running around for in the new content? Both Dungeon bosses can be done by standing still, the Morbol in a type of Ogre stance and Chim you just stand in that "sweet spot" because the area effects are static, always in same spot, and there is a "sweet spot" where you wont get it.

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Originally Posted by viion

To the OP though, WTF are you running around for in the new content? Both Dungeon bosses can be done by standing still, the Morbol in a type of Ogre stance and Chim you just stand in that "sweet spot" because the area effects are static, always in same spot, and there is a "sweet spot" where you wont get it.

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Thats fine but i am talking about the Coincounter (hence the topic title)

I was using Aegis boon and sentinal to take the hit but i noticed he falls down if he outright misses his attack and would like to be able to do it that way. and the fact the dd can let loose more if im tanking war.

and besides i imagine standing in "sweet spots" isnt intended.. IE we are supposed to be able to dodge these attacks.

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Originally Posted by viion

Unless all those people plus the chat magically predict the future to know to alert you, everything you suggested is useless because if you read the OP properly, you'd know his reactions are not the misfortunate here, its the Lag

To the OP though, WTF are you running around for in the new content? Both Dungeon bosses can be done by standing still, the Morbol in a type of Ogre stance and Chim you just stand in that "sweet spot" because the area effects are static, always in same spot, and there is a "sweet spot" where you wont get it.

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According to his little icon thingy its a possibility hes playing a tanking class trying to get the hell out of the way from a high damage attack thats avoidable. Plus hes talking about coincounter not the main bosses.

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Originally Posted by viion

Unless all those people plus the chat magically predict the future to know to alert you, everything you suggested is useless because if you read the OP properly, you'd know his reactions are not the misfortunate here, its the Lag

To the OP though, WTF are you running around for in the new content? Both Dungeon bosses can be done by standing still, the Morbol in a type of Ogre stance and Chim you just stand in that "sweet spot" because the area effects are static, always in same spot, and there is a "sweet spot" where you wont get it.

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Hes talking about Coincounter, the cyclops that uses 100tonze which can oneshot every DD in range.

You could use another strat for this, slower but you will not get hit by the server lag.

Have only the tank in range, Barcher and BLM can attack, when he uses full AoE 100 tonze (holding his club with 2 hands) if no one is in range (doesnt work for miss, parry etc everyone has to be out of range) he will fall on his ass, then run in and full attack, when he gets up melee can move out and repeat.

Or you could just get on BLM WHM or Barcher.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Hes talking about Coincounter, the cyclops that uses 100tonze which can oneshot every DD in range.

You could use another strat for this, slower but you will not get hit by the server lag.

Have only the tank in range, Barcher and BLM can attack, when he uses full AoE 100 tonze (holding his club with 2 hands) if no one is in range (doesnt work for miss, parry etc everyone has to be out of range) he will fall on his ass, then run in and full attack, when he gets up melee can move out and repeat.

Or you could just get on BLM WHM or Barcher.

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I am the tank, we are infact going with ranged class's (blm,brd) even if it is reluctently.

As a side note if DRGs Evasion jump didnt have such a long recast i think people would not have a problem taking them to this type of content, perhaps all melee should have a simialar ability which can be used at anytime?

Yea this is unfortunate, tbh though its not network latency that is causing this issue its the servers themselves.

300 ms isn't even half a second and thats plenty enough time to get out of the way.

I would really like to see SE have their Servers in America, at least it would be in the middle latency wise for EU players then, I'm not sure how realistic that would be though.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yea this is unfortunate, tbh though its not network latency that is causing this issue its the servers themselves.

300 ms isn't even half a second and thats plenty enough time to get out of the way.

I would really like to see SE have their Servers in America, at least it would be in the middle latency wise for EU players then, I'm not sure how realistic that would be though.

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either that or just design their game mechanics with latency in mind... just an idea lol

i dont accept this location of the servers or latency as an excuse,

its not like my net conection is a bad one and i allways turn my porn downloads off when playing.

it is 100% down to the game mechanics, i dont know what the issue would be with giving mobs slightly longer startup times to account for the latency of people that dont live next door to the servers.

like i said they knew about this because there was a huge fuss over the ifrit fight, did they just choose to ignore the issue?

The problem with increasing the gameplay to compensate for latency issues, makes the game feel slower paced, FFXIV is already pretty slow paced compared to other MMO's on the market.

Slow paced MMO's feel archaic to many new customers and that's not a good thing if they are hoping for 2.0 to bring in more customers.

The only real solution is to have regional servers but we all know that's never going to happen.

I'm just glad I'm not a fan of PvP.

This happen a lot yesterday to us, in the end we decide to tank with WAR and use feather foot and foresight to evade and parry that attack, and war have more hp so it will survive 100ton if get hit

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Originally Posted by Jinko

The problem with increasing the gameplay to compensate for latency issues, makes the game feel slower paced, FFXIV is already pretty slow paced compared to other MMO's on the market.

Slow paced MMO's feel archaic to many new customers and that's not a good thing if they are hoping for 2.0 to bring in more customers.

The only real solution is to have regional servers but we all know that's never going to happen.

I'm just glad I'm not a fan of PvP.

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How come people allways say what they cant do and never what they can do?

i gave a suggestion which i think is practical.

there is a problem so it needs fixing.

As soon as you see it on the chatlog say 100Tonze Swing ~ /move. :P

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Originally Posted by Rogue

How come people allways say what they cant do and never what they can do?

i gave a suggestion which i think is practical.

there is a problem so it needs fixing.

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I'm not arguing with you, I'm just trying to be realistic, I would love regional servers as I say.

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

As soon as you see it on the chatlog say 100Tonze Swing ~ /move. :P

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wow thanks for the advice >.>

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Hello, i had and still have Latency in fight like Ifrit,(im from Italy) but in The Aurum Vale, is pretty Smooth, never had Latency on Coincounter, there is 2 kind of 100 tons smash 1 is cone attack very fast one handed, can be dodged goin just behind him even as tanker, the other one is 360 aoe and uses 2 hand and the casting time is enough to run even whit latency. hope to be of any help.

Get better gear so you can straight tank it if evading the skills is an issue, also our melee evades coincounter just fine, this thing is easier to evade than ifrit.

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Check out the server latency video on last page.

One thing though that I didn't see in the thread yet is, that Coincounter got 2 100ton ... moves. One is conal DMG, one is AoE. I didn't know that as well, until someone from the LS mentioned it to me. 100ton Swing is the AoE one, he charges up long enough to get away easily.
The other one is 100ton swipe, which is conal and only takes 2 sec~ to charge. If you run away in his line of sight from swipe, you will get hit no matter how fast your reaction is, if you run "through" him, or to his side, you won't get hit.

Need to pay attention to his actions more, or to his animation.

Swing=Is holding his club in front of him with both hands charging.
Swipe= Is holding his club with one above his head while charging.

Some ppl would rather use server lag as an excuse, yes it makes it a little harder for you to dodge, no it is not impossible to dodge both 100T moves if you learn to move correctly. The log is not quick enough for EU's you need to learn to watch his movement just like ifrit and his croutch. We have 1 player in our ls who is a main tank and from Germany with a TERRIBLE ping the worst i've seen nearly 400ms using the SE ping test with almost 20 hops and can dodge everything properly.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yea this is unfortunate, tbh though its not network latency that is causing this issue its the servers themselves.

300 ms isn't even half a second and thats plenty enough time to get out of the way.

I would really like to see SE have their Servers in America, at least it would be in the middle latency wise for EU players then, I'm not sure how realistic that would be though.

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The problem is not that the servers are in Japan its that the servers are from the 18th century, we should (note I said should) not have this problem come 2.0, now you say the problem is NOT latency its the servers, but then you say moving the servers to America would solve the problem, but they would be the same 18th century servers with slightly lower latency, which according to you is not the problem, see the contradiction anywhere?

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

One thing though that I didn't see in the thread yet is, that Coincounter got 2 100ton ... moves. One is conal DMG, one is AoE. I didn't know that as well, until someone from the LS mentioned it to me. 100ton Swing is the AoE one, he charges up long enough to get away easily.
The other one is 100ton swipe, which is conal and only takes 2 sec~ to charge. If you run away in his line of sight from swipe, you will get hit no matter how fast your reaction is, if you run "through" him, or to his side, you won't get hit.

Need to pay attention to his actions more, or to his animation.

Swing=Is holding his club in front of him with both hands charging.
Swipe= Is holding his club with one above his head while charging.

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You are absolutely correct and i must admit i made a mistake.

It was after i made this thread that i realised when the log sais "100 ton" it can be either of two different moves like you say, and it turns out i was getting hit by the one handed "swipe" which has a much lower start up time and hence why i wasnt able to dodge it (allthough it can be dodged by running behind him as oppose to away from him)

exactly as you say.

so hopefully the devs at SE will accept my appologies :S

Well, get a WAR tank with 4900+ HP then you won't get one shot... I lived through 3x 4700 hit in a row.

Not ideal, but it works.

Hmm while i stand by my appology since i can dodge pretty consistantly now-

after veiwing this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63agQ...ature=youtu.be

i still have my reservations.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Hmm while i stand by my appology since i can dodge pretty consistantly now-

after veiwing this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63agQ...ature=youtu.be

i still have my reservations.

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notice how he got hit by the swipe despite being clearly away ad behind him?

same wwith the swing, he was farther than the rest of the pt but still died...

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Originally Posted by Matsume

notice how he got hit by the swipe despite being clearly away ad behind him?

same wwith the swing, he was farther than the rest of the pt but still died...

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I really dont know which way to go with this- let me explain

i have alot of "if's"- i think If he wasnt in the middle of the phalanx animation at 0:26 and ran immediatly behind him at the swipe startup he wouldnt have been hit.

of course the flip side to this is that he was clearly out of range when he took damage.

and when he was killed if he ran away and not through he would have dodged also. but again he was clearly out of range when he took damage.

i think, its not perfect but it is possible to dodge if you make allowances regarding the apparent latency of the game.

i suppose the question is- is having to make these allowances something which should be expected of players?

I do not believe 'lag' should be taken into consideration when comming up with battle strategy.

That being said, if you are being plagued by Lag, perhaps a job where strategy is not impacted by Lag would be considered a good option?