Bard Songs

So I was looking around at gearing up accessory wise for Bard when I realized that I have no idea what affects Bard songs, if anything.

Could they be considered Enhancement Magic? If that's the case a little bit of Vitality would be nice. However the Bard AF gear gives mostly Dex and Piety bonuses. The only reasons I can find for those two stats getting a boost is that they affect Archer/Bard arms damage.

Just curious if anyone's done any testing or seen a difference with a particular stat over another.

Enhancement Magic

Pie is important to a bard/archer because of the damage increase to light attack, increases mana, increases enfeebling magic. Do not let the term magic confuse you, enfeebling magic applies to all debuffs. So your bind, heavy, and stun from weapon skills will happen more with higher piety. For you songs, they are buffs and enhancing magic makes them stronger. There is very little gear that increases enhancement magic, but VIT does increase it. Every four VIT gives you one enhancing magic.

Piety is a pretty straightforward increase to bard song buffs. More piety = better returns on songs, in addition to the DPS help, for what DPS brd does do.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Piety is a pretty straightforward increase to bard song buffs. More piety = better returns on songs, in addition to the DPS help, for what DPS brd does do.

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Are you sure? It kind of goes behind the established fact that Vit = Enhancement magic and Bard songs do enhance. Piety is for debuffs. If it actually is piety, that's very interesting.

Positive, i check my stats while swapping about 40 points worth of piety on and off.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

Piety is a pretty straightforward increase to bard song buffs. More piety = better returns on songs, in addition to the DPS help, for what DPS brd does do.

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Are you saying that BRD songs have different buff strengths based on your current PIE total? Please elaborate.

Add more piety, the effects of the songs get stronger. There isn't more to it than that.

Just did a quick test with a tourmaline ring (15 PIE).

Ballad did 26 MP a tick with and without the ring. So a difference of 15 PIE didn't make any difference to the MP/tick. Needless to say it doesn't effect Enhancing Magic Potency on the gear window.

I ask because of the following:

With 241PIE, Minuet gives me 35 ACC and Ballad gives me 20MP/tick.
With 322PIE, Minuet gives me 35 ACC and Ballad gives me 20MP/tick.

So again, please elaborate on how PIE affects songs.

I'm sure i'll look dumb here but i know it changed before, but you're right in saying it doesn't now.
I really don't believe i made an error before, but i may have. If i didn't then i was glitched of it got fixed.
A quick glance says that 3 points of enhancing magic doesn't help them either, idk if a higher change would, i'll try later.
Sorry for apparently givin out misinformed information, idk if something changed or i just screwed up really badly, either way, sorry and disregard what i said in previous posts. :/

EDIT: PS; no it wasn't something as simple as the bonus from the gloves that was changing me, or acc from gear lol.

PIE and Enhancement magic doesn't affect the songs, however it is possible that I may have reached a cap but I doubt it. Battle Voice and Enhances Minuet/Ballads/Paeons from AF seem to be the only modifiers. Tested with 242-315 PIE, 170-214 VIT , 383-400 ENH (change purely from stacking VIT), 245-313 DEX.

Ballad = 20 MP a tic
Ballad w/ AF Body = 26 MP a tic
Ballad with Battle Voice = 40 MP a tic
Ballad w/ AF Body & BV = 51 MP a tic

Minuet = 35 ACC/MACC
Minuet w/ AF Gloves = 43 ACC/MACC
Minuet w/ Battle Voice = 71 ACC/MACC
Minuet w/ AF Gloves & BV = 86 ACC/MACC

Paeon = 50 TP a tic
Paeon w/ AF Legs = 60 TP a tic
Paeon w/ Battle Voice = 100 TP a tic
Paeon w/ AF Legs + BV = 120 TP a tic

They might be level based, we need a lower level bard to sing and post their numbers plz!

Level 45 Bard
Vitality 154, Dexterity 199, Piety 190
Healing Magic Potency 337, Enhancement Magic Potency 330

Ballad of the Magi: 16 MP/tick (I recall a lower level, it was 14 MP/tick, but did not record stats)
Minuet of Rigor: +30 accuracy (recall an earlier level it was +29 accuracy).
Paeon of War: +50 TP/tick.

so at least something has an impact on it

Its also possible that there is a factor we are missing at the moment. From the information posted thus far, it appear that only the particular "enhance (insert song hee)" from AF gear do anything. That really makes it appear that the other slots (accessories, waist, etc.) are best spent on either piety for damage/bind/heavy or dex, and I am also interested in testing how mnd effect out heal and vit effects our protect/ss. I would test it, but I am just having some downtime while on vacation at the Great Wolf Lodge, by the way, giant indoor waterparks are awesome.

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It was tested way back when that MND does nothing for healing spells if they aren't native to your class. However, any healing potency that you get from that MND does boost your healing spells, so it isn't all useless. Long story short though, I'd just grab some PIE/DEX/ACC rings as it takes too much MND to boost healing potency. BRD could get some mileage out of that healing potency neckpiece, though.

VIT is in a similar situation where you need to stack on a ton of it for any noticeable difference, but there is enhancing magic gear available from the new dungeons that could be of use. I really wouldn't worry about it too much, though, since you really only want the WHM/CNJ to be handing out Protects because of their trait bonuses and any Stoneskin is useful no matter how potent.

Well, good to know it's not Piety. What about Vit? Can we get a comparison from just normal gear or AF to a Vit heavy build?

Someone up higher on this page tested with a difference of 44 VIT

7 points of enhancement magic potency did not change the results of mine either (although this is a small amount)

Does fastcast work for songs?

I'm assuming you mean the old ability Chainspell? It's now Presence of Mind and it's WHM only.

I picked up Fastcast as a CNJ with guild marks.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/ability/29479/Fastcast

there are no guild points anymore and no fastcast its called presence of mind now and whm only

Yep, Guild Marks and anything associated with them have been gone for a few months now. Traits are tied to classes so you can't equip the old ones at all. If you bought it you can refund it and trade in your guild marks for items at any guild.

lawl... ty guys /dunce

Just an idea, maybe they "borrowed" FFXI's Bard tier system? Instead of using a combined total of singing/instrument they could just use enhancing magic tiers. Maybe the tiers here are larger chunks of numbers -think in the 50's for enhancing magic (something that's hard if not impossible to do right now at level 50cap). It may also run on a formula simply using the character level in association with enhancing magic (plus any bonuses from af/abilities). Enhancing magic may not do squat as well, it could just be level related.

Pretty sure people found out it just scales based on level, which is fine since 20 mp/tic at 30 is insane.