Question about Shelltron/Block

So sorry for such a silly question, but I cannot find my answer anywhere I've looked. How does block work, I know that when I use shelltron (or get a block) it shows 15-19% blocked now, does that mean in essence that Shelltron (for example) is a 15-19% dmg mitigation for 4 ( or later 6) seconds? Or is there more to it than that simple dmg reduction?

That’s pretty much it, hit shelltron and mitigate any incoming dmg by said amount for 4/6 seconds. Each tank has a similar, short duration/ short cool down ability.

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Originally Posted by Talaros

So sorry for such a silly question, but I cannot find my answer anywhere I've looked. How does block work, I know that when I use shelltron (or get a block) it shows 15-19% blocked now, does that mean in essence that Shelltron (for example) is a 15-19% dmg mitigation for 4 ( or later 6) seconds? Or is there more to it than that simple dmg reduction?

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The basic idea is that blocking is a % chance (not sure of the exact number off the top of my head) to reduce incoming damage every time you take damage, much like parry (and it's checked before parry chance when calculating damage, so technically speaking PLD has better innate mitigation than other tanks, though the difference isn't that big). How much damage is mitigated depends on the strength of your shield, so better shield = higher % damage blocked. Shelltron guarantees a block for the duration of the effect, so 6s at lvl 80. This basically makes Shelltron the equivalent of WAR's Raw Intuition/Nascent Flash, DRK's The Blackest Night, and GNB's Heart of Stone, in that it's a mitigation tool on a short cooldown (you'll generate enough Oath to use Shelltron about every 23s or so) used to supplement other mitigation cooldowns you have, whether to stretch out your cooldowns during large pulls or to stack with others when dealing with a tankbuster.

New shelltron is great, and the only thing I would say is it that block should be buffed to 20%. At that point it becomes a really great thing to use while right now... 15% feels a bit 'meh'.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

New shelltron is great, and the only thing I would say is it that block should be buffed to 20%. At that point it becomes a really great thing to use while right now... 15% feels a bit 'meh'.

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Indeed, i've been playing paladin for awhile now and doing lots of fates and random content, and i've noticed shelltron is cool but it is a little bit of "meh" type. It does not proc almost any time what so ever.

Blocking is a scaling mitigation, so minimum is 15% damage reduction at the start of the expansion, as you get better shields it will scale up to a maximum of 25% (formerly 30% but was nerfed along side parry by 5% in ShB). Current i450 King Shield blocks for 20% damage reduction.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Blocking is a scaling mitigation, so minimum is 15% damage reduction at the start of the expansion, as you get better shields it will scale up to a maximum of 25% (formerly 30% but was nerfed along side parry by 5% in ShB). Current i450 King Shield blocks for 20% damage reduction.

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Do you have any source that confirms maximum block strength of 25%?

According to this reddit thread maximum block strength is now 20%, minimum (worst shield) 10%.

Even with the highest possible shield in synced content I have yet to see any blocks higher than 20%.

@OP: Seraph522 did a really good explanation of the skill, their post has everything you need to know.
Tho... I haven't tried it on any guaranteed crit hits, might be useless against them...

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

Do you have any source that confirms maximum block strength of 25%?

According to this reddit thread maximum block strength is now 20%, minimum (worst shield) 10%.

Even with the highest possible shield in synced content I have yet to see any blocks higher than 20%.

@OP: Seraph522 did a really good explanation of the skill, their post has everything you need to know.
Tho... I haven't tried it on any guaranteed crit hits, might be useless against them...

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The current maximum block strength is 20% but it will increase with increasing item level over the course of the expansion and if it works like it did with former expansions, it should reach around 25% at the E12S shield.

If you checked out The Balance Discord some time ago around ShB launch were patch notes specifically stated that blocking and parry has been nerfed, it was worked out that both mitigation were reduced by 5%. While my omega shield allowed me to block 30% of damage, basic maths land me with 25% damage reduction. As for 10% damage reduction, with exception to possibly deep dungeons and maybe eureka, in every day gameplay, I've not seen block below 15% DR.

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Did trials with PLD yesterday, for lulz and science. Got into Suzaku, and tell you what: I blocked 20% on my O12s shield. That is 20% on high-end lvl 70 gear in lvl 70 duty.

I didn't try lvl 50 or 60 yet, but the result will most likely be the same.

I don't blame any of you, but ppl who spread wrong information (to you and others, unfortunately) should check their facts first. I also reviewed a PLD guide which stated Sheltron as followed: "Block strength scales with shield. Current estimations show blocks reducing damage by 20% at launch to 25% at the end of the expansion."
This is so wrong. The first estimations from my previous post showed that Block is 20% mitigation at max. Then some guy(s) think "uh, parry got 5% weaker, therefore block has be 5% weaker also!!!".

It was the same with WAR (guides) in 4.x, they stated IR was 40% of WAR's total damage output... wrong! Look up ANY parse from SB raids, filter IR buff, do the math, and realize it's closer to 30%.

Spreading misinformation further and further without checking the facts, wouldn't make it the truth, but it does make the mass think it is.

(That's one reason I avoid balance discord.)

PS: Should there be anything or anyone that can actually prove those "new estimations" to be true, I am glad to give in. But right now, everything speaks against these estimations.

So, I actually took the time to read the post this time and, firstly this was based on the media tour build, anything and everything is disregarded as not everything is the same in the final build.

Secondly, in the post under paladin block there is only mention of a minimum damage reduction of 10% in SB, while in regards maximum, only a 10% drop from the 29% from SB at 19% damage reduction in the media tour build which is expected from scaling a stat. The final thought mention that "the new formula seems to give 10% less mitigation-- at least with gear provided." So it's not gospel and it's a small pool of gear to test with just the media build.

This theory craft was also done before patch notes stated the reduction in parry and blocking which may give rise to some change in the formula. You speak about misinformation yet you state incorrect information regarding blocking from the source you linked.

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You say that the post is based on media tour, and not the final build. Which is indeed correct.

What you didn't take into account: the result in the final build is THE SAME as in the media tour build. So, those theorycrafter were proved right! They also stated in their post, that the block strength provided from the shield DOES NOT change the mitigation outcome any further if we use the adjusted formula!
"I doubt SE did a major overhaul of the block formula other than removing the +10, but we will see." You left out the last sentence...

Also, have you tested it? Have other people on discord tested it? It's fairly easy to confirm the changes by running synced 50/60/70 content with highest gear possible, and looking at the block values. If these value do not go beyond 20%, then 20% is the maximum mitigation provided in end game gear vs end game content and below!

In SB you could do synced Creator raid duties, and block 30%, the same result as Alphascape with O12s shield.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

You speak about misinformation yet you state incorrect information regarding blocking from the source you linked.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Blocking is a scaling mitigation, so minimum is 15% damage reduction at the start of the expansion, as you get better shields it will scale up to a maximum of 25% (formerly 30% but was nerfed along side parry by 5% in ShB). Current i450 King Shield blocks for 20% damage reduction.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

If you checked out The Balance Discord some time ago around ShB launch were patch notes specifically stated that blocking and parry has been nerfed, it was worked out that both mitigation were reduced by 5%. While my omega shield allowed me to block 30% of damage, basic maths land me with 25% damage reduction.

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Yet, you state it as a fact yourself? What kinda twisted logic are you following? You (and the balance discord, apparently) have no prove that block mitigation goes beyond 20%. Yet, you state from the patch notes "it was worked out that both mitigation were reduced by 5%"?
Where is the prove? I get parry because it is fixed value. But parry is not block! Block is a speciality to PLD and is treated as such.

You can disagree with me, but you can not say that block will get 25% mitigation at the end of expansion as a fact.

(Unless you can show me a picture where you block 21+%, which doesn't exist.)

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Q: Are you sure shield blocks were nerfed are your not just seeing what happens at the start of every expansion where our block strength pushes us back down to 20% mitigation and it climbs back up each tier to 30%?

A: I'm fairly confident in that finding and added why to the original post. Normally, your block strength is reduced at the start of each expansion because of the LEVEL_DIV. However, I have calculated a valid range for LEVEL_DIV for this expansion already, so I am quite confident it's more than a table value change.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

New shelltron is great, and the only thing I would say is it that block should be buffed to 20%. At that point it becomes a really great thing to use while right now... 15% feels a bit 'meh'.

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Well the 15% is identical to Gunbreaker Heart of Stone, and at 20% it's identical to Warrior Raw Intuition in terms of mitigation. One thing that makes it really strong is the ability to have two uses of it back to back.

If the 20% block rate is true then they better compensate Paladin, because as they stand, they have the worst personal mitigation. Hopefully that’s not the case otherwise block is getting a serious nerf.

I'm getting 20% block strength myself using Goetia tomestone shield. It's like a mini Rampart I can use more often and I love it!

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Originally Posted by Stormbrand

If the 20% block rate is true then they better compensate Paladin, because as they stand, they have the worst personal mitigation. Hopefully that’s not the case otherwise block is getting a serious nerf.

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Not really in terms on base mitigation pally is king. By base I mean no defensive cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

Not really in terms on base mitigation pally is king. By base I mean no defensive cooldown.

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People overestimate the value of passive blocking, it is not nearly as good you think. Sheltron negates the effect of passive blocking simply because it guarantees it, so if you were going to block that attack anyways, then that sheltron effectively did nothing for that hit. If i only use sheltron i can only block 20%, thats it. If a warrior uses Raw intution, they mitigate 20% and have a chance to parry another 15% on top of getting self healing via storms path or equilibrium that comes at no cost. Also, base self healing is far better than passive blocking for the reasons stated above.

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Originally Posted by Stormbrand

People overestimate the value of passive blocking, it is not nearly as good you think. Sheltron negates the effect of passive blocking simply because it guarantees it, so if you were going to block that attack anyways, then that sheltron effectively did nothing for that hit. If i only use sheltron i can only block 20%, thats it. If a warrior uses Raw intution, they mitigate 20% and have a chance to parry another 15% on top of getting self healing via storms path or equilibrium that comes at no cost. Also, base self healing is far better than passive blocking for the reasons stated above.

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Please read I said no cooldowns Shelton and ri are cooldowns

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Originally Posted by Jukebox12

Please read I said no cooldowns Shelton and ri are cooldowns

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you should also read where i stated that passive healing is better than passive block

PLD somewhat struggles without having that extra defensive CD Sheltron should really have a 5-10% damage reduction+the Block
to be a bit more in line with RI and HoS

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Originally Posted by Stormbrand

you should also read where i stated that passive healing is better than passive block

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What every 7.5 secs (not including skill speed) but just sitting there and doing nothing pally wins pally only loses 7.5 secs (not including skill speed)