Dance partners

A topic of conversation has been brought up, and now I’m curious. To anyone whom has done the math or whatever.. Is it a larger gain to bring 2 dancers that partner with each other, or a varied group of dps and the dancer partnered to the highest dps? I’m genuinely curious, as my head just screams no but something else says maybe?

I could see it as more of a personal gain between the dancers as they feed each other a 10-12% damage buff the whole time, but is that gain more than bringing say... a bard in the place of one of the dancers and aligning buffs and boosting the ENTIRE party’s over all contribution?

Considering the top parses for dancers have another dancer as well, I feel more on the side of personal gain? Since the goal is to buff a specific person in parse parties so they have a prettier log.

Well top parse for ANY job (yes including healers and tanks) have a dancer attached to it, because there is no way you can beat a permanent 5% buff by player skill alone.

Top parses are also meaningless to look at, as everything is done during the run to make one person shine and people takes turn being the one shining.

If what you want is optimal raid usage, giving your 5% to the highest dps is a safe bet, as his 5% would be a lot higher than the 5% of a DNC (who has one of the lowest personal dps to compensate for the highest utility).
You can maybe have a bit more optimization as some classes might benefit more from the other temporary buff and / or devilment and partnering a slightly lower dps might be better, but that's static and fight dependent.
When in doubt partner the highest dps.

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Originally Posted by Wyti

Well top parse for ANY job (yes including healers and tanks) have a dancer attached to it, because there is no way you can beat a permanent 5% buff by player skill alone.

Top parses are also meaningless to look at, as everything is done during the run to make one person shine and people takes turn being the one shining.

If what you want is optimal raid usage, giving your 5% to the highest dps is a safe bet, as his 5% would be a lot higher than the 5% of a DNC (who has one of the lowest personal dps to compensate for the highest utility).
You can maybe have a bit more optimization as some classes might benefit more from the other temporary buff and / or devilment and partnering a slightly lower dps might be better, but that's static and fight dependent.
When in doubt partner the highest dps.

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I only ask because the standard step stacks with two dancers attached to each other, so I was told the dancers with stacked standard step is a greater gain than having one attached to highest dps and another job with utility. So what I’m told is even though dancers are the lowest dps, their stacked buff in addition to the other buffs makes up for it. I’m having a hard time believing it as technical step doesn’t stack, so one of them is going to lose out on dps having to hold back on using it, but does the ability to have the aoe buff longer serve to be more beneficial than bringing different dps in place of one of the dancers?

As a Dancer and an idol you have to be picky.. Yeah i know it's hard to be courtised by so many.
Titania is right when saying "bigger is better" so your best choice should always be the biggest deeps of the team. Help them to rocket up to the heavens *nod nod* And do not listen to those white mages.. they are lying.

Seriously, your best pick is always the best dps player of the team. If the player is dying sometimes, even if it's a blm/sam it's not a good pick.
And about the dancer partner... its a no-no... except if he's the best dps of your team.. of course.

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

I only ask because the standard step stacks with two dancers attached to each other, so I was told the dancers with stacked standard step is a greater gain than having one attached to highest dps and another job with utility. So what I’m told is even though dancers are the lowest dps, their stacked buff in addition to the other buffs makes up for it. I’m having a hard time believing it as technical step doesn’t stack, so one of them is going to lose out on dps having to hold back on using it, but does the ability to have the aoe buff longer serve to be more beneficial than bringing different dps in place of one of the dancers?

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Each Dancer is still only increasing someone's DPS by 5%. Increasing the lowest DPS by 5% is less effective than increases the highest DPS by 5%, especially if whatever you're bringing in place of the second dancer does more than 5% more dps than the Dancer. Having two Dancers, even if they're not partnering each other, also causes one of the Dancer's to do a little less DPS since they have to delay their first Devilment+Technical Finish (or at least the first Technical Finish) by ~20 seconds since it won't stack with the TF from the other Dancer.

General rule is that you should typically give dance partner to one of the dps that does high damage by default (BLM, SAM, MCH) but if you want to tell who's doing the most dps just look at the aggro list after a couple mins and the dps who's 2nd or 3rd (Tank might be in 2nd) should get dance partnered.

Of course you could always run that thing which should not be named, but looking at it all the time probably isn't a good idea.

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Originally Posted by YanderePrincess

Each Dancer is still only increasing someone's DPS by 5%. Increasing the lowest DPS by 5% is less effective than increases the highest DPS by 5%, especially if whatever you're bringing in place of the second dancer does more than 5% more dps than the Dancer. Having two Dancers, even if they're not partnering each other, also causes one of the Dancer's to do a little less DPS since they have to delay their first Devilment+Technical Finish (or at least the first Technical Finish) by ~20 seconds since it won't stack with the TF from the other Dancer.

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I mean yeah a single buff from standard step is 5%, but since two dancers can stack them wouldn’t it be more like 10% between the both of them? Say both of the dancers are not even pulling numbers they should be at bare minimum, the misconception I’m hearing is them feeding each other will make their dps significantly higher as well as benefit the party more over all. To the point where they “don’t need an LB”.

I did some log research and comparing the highest dancer parses that have a dancer feeding them to, say, a high parse for a samurai. Between the dps, the damage over all was more in the party with one dancer, because the samurai did so much damage. About 1-2k more than the double dancer group. Comparing top parses can be kinda inaccurate due to the amount of feeding going on, and the overall RNG, composition and skill of the group needs to be taken into consideration, but I’m more inclined to agree that choosing the highest dps as your partner is more of a benefit over all.

My understanding is it's beast to pick whoever has the highest personal dps as your partner. If you're in a dungeon with another dancer, then yeah go for the other dancer. If in a raid or trial with another dancer, you should probably both make the other dps partners as dancers have low PERSONAL dps compared to other dps jobs. Though that could go out the window if say the black mage or samurai you pick is bad at their job and doesn't put out decent dps.

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

I mean yeah a single buff from standard step is 5%, but since two dancers can stack them wouldn’t it be more like 10% between the both of them

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Thing is, all DNC damage are already accounted with the 5% buff (or there are more pressing issue if as a DNC you don't partner someone) So this doubling should be seen as an extra 5% above what they already have with a single DNC, likewise with any other dps where you should compare their dps without a DNC.

So the question becomes, do your other DNC do more damage while alone (so partnered to someone but without another DNC) than the other dps in your group do without being partnered yet. If yes then in that case the other DNC is somehow the highest dps in the party and it would be an exception, but most likely someone will manage to outdps the DNC.

Also the penalty is more than just the LB, as was already mentioned than the technical finish of one of the 2 DNC must be used suboptimaly.

TLDR: 2 DNC is not that good, 2 DNC partnered with each other is worse (except if your goal is padding and not a fast kill)

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

I mean yeah a single buff from standard step is 5%, but since two dancers can stack them wouldn’t it be more like 10% between the both of them? Say both of the dancers are not even pulling numbers they should be at bare minimum, the misconception I’m hearing is them feeding each other will make their dps significantly higher as well as benefit the party more over all. To the point where they “don’t need an LB”.

I did some log research and comparing the highest dancer parses that have a dancer feeding them to, say, a high parse for a samurai. Between the dps, the damage over all was more in the party with one dancer, because the samurai did so much damage. About 1-2k more than the double dancer group. Comparing top parses can be kinda inaccurate due to the amount of feeding going on, and the overall RNG, composition and skill of the group needs to be taken into consideration, but I’m more inclined to agree that choosing the highest dps as your partner is more of a benefit over all.

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It's always the highest dps, that's how percentages work, whether you have one Dancer or two.
If you do have two Dancers, they should be partnering the other two dps, unless for whatever reason those dps are awful, or Ninjas.

How many Dancers you have depends on how the rdps of a Dancer compares to the rdps of another job. Thats how jobs are (theoretically) balanced.

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

I mean yeah a single buff from standard step is 5%, but since two dancers can stack them wouldn’t it be more like 10% between the both of them?

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While yes, both Dancers are getting a 10% buff, that's not how it works out for the comparison. Because we're comparing 1 Dancer + Something Else with 2 Dancers, there's only one additional 5% buff, not two additional buffs, so it's only a 5% increase over not having the second Dancer.