Onslaught should get buffed.

Pretty straight forward a buff, and I know there has been multiple threads already about it but i dont want them to give warrior the copy-paste dash like other tanks have.

Onslaught has its problem, the problem lies down to the cost of the ability per potency used on it. It is pretty much not useful outside of IR.
Since warrior is one of the lowest DPS tanks in the game, it is a great opportunity to make onslaught more useful and interesting thing to use and give WAR slight dps buff overall.

How about giving it a combo potency after using Tomahawk, Upheaval and Fell Cleave?
You use one of those skills, and you gain increased potency on Onslaught.
The potency increase should be big enough so it will be more worth per gauge spend, something in the middle between upheaval and fell cleave.
Its base damage is 100 potency and additional combo potency should be set at 150 giving it total 250 potency if used in combo with one of the three above.

Tomahawk giving it combo potency will make it worth to use it from distance as real utility gap closer, and combo with upheaval and fell cleave will make it useful in melee distance as well.
Warrior DPS has been increased, it got a little more interesting to play too, the thing is possible to make because GNB has similar GCD > oGCD combo mechanic too.
Please give it a look SE.

Ya, onslaught really need a buff. Right now it is the gap-closer that all the other gap-closers laugh at.

The easy solution is honestly just taking it off the Beast Gauge entirely.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

The easy solution is honestly just taking it off the Beast Gauge entirely.

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Its boring solution :p

The problem with this idea is now you only want to use Onslaught combo'd otherwise you've thrown away damage. If the combo potency was high enough justify delaying another Fell Cleave. It would likely be better to simply eat the GCD loss than Onslaught uncombo'd.

Boring solution it may be, however the whole idea of gap closes is to use them for that very reason.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Its boring solution :p

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I mean yeah, it is, but if we're honest it's not like the other Beast Gauge abilities are full of flavor to begin with. You press Upheavel on CD, you press FC whenever you can, and you press Decimate when there's 3+ enemies. Onslaught is the only one you press in the extremely specific situation of the boss teleporting away or pushing you back - which does often happen, but not to such a degree it warrants being on the Gauge. The other solution is basically what you said, which is upping the potency - which I'm also fine with tbh but it just feels weird that Onslaught is the only ability you really have to plan your Gauge usage around.

It really makes no sense for a mobility/gap closer to be tied to beast guage and only have use during IR windows. It simply should act as a strict gap closer and ideally one that can be used to initiate fights in dungeons and to get to bosses quicky after mechanics. They should remove the guage cost and potency and have it be a utility gap closer.

Onslaught is also a gain in the uncoomon instances that your gauge is about to overcap and you cannot Fell cleave since you will lose eye. In those cases it is dps positive to not overcap on gauge. This solution will simply turn onslaught into a press after fell cleave button always and remove most if not all nuance from the skill.

To put this in perspective: using onslaught is a 43 potency loss at most. If this prevents you from missing a GCD skill that will quickly turn this back into a positive.

Of all the abilities Warrior has onslaught is already the one which has the most situational uses over press on cooldown. I would be nice if it stayed that way.

Plus warrior has always been the slower and big hit tank. I'm not crazy about the idea of having a 10 seconds press on cooldown skill as it seems like its going to take us away from that identity of big hits and move us towards the higher frequency GNB oGCD spam.

For the love of war leave onslaught alone.

Dont just remove gauge. A 10 second recast spam ability makes no sense.

Dont make it a clone of the other tanks 2 charge system. Theres already problems with those as it is.

Combo systems and procs? What is wrong with a gap closer being a gap closer? Making it a dos gain skill just plops it right into the same issues plunge (and now all yhe other clones) have always had.

Onslaught is the only gap closer that is actually well designed. It does its job of closing gaps better than the alternatives. It has niche, nuanced uses in gauge management. It increases damage when used to close gaps without being locked into an inflexible dps rotation. It enhances wars job defining burst phase. Its one of the few places tanks havent been fully homogenized.

Leave it alone ffs.

Id like the cost removed. It just uneccessarily complicates things being tied to beast guage.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Dont make it a clone of the other tanks 2 charge system. Theres already problems with those as it is.

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What problems do the others have? You use them if you're about to cap two charges and blow both for a burst phase. With Onslaught, it's straight up inferior. You only touch it during IR or if you're certain you'll lose a GCD otherwise.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

What problems do the others have? You use them if you're about to cap two charges and blow both for a burst phase. With Onslaught, it's straight up inferior. You only touch it during IR or if you're certain you'll lose a GCD otherwise.

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They need to be used within party buffs to get the most from their dps. If you need to hold one of the other tanks charge for something in the opener you can be losing up to 60 to 100 potency depending on your composition. Where as onslaught is about 43 potency lost to achieve the same thing and is always available.

There are additional benefits to onslaught such as being able to dash back from a further distance. Take Titania extreme for example. When you run to break your feather if your dps is slow you and you need to run out to the edge the paladin gunbreaker and dark knight gap closers are too short and you end up clipping your GCD. Warrior can onslaught from this distance without a problem. Since one of these tether phases lines up with inner release you can see the major advantage of not losing a GCD during your major burst due to someone else’s mistake.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Onslaught is the only gap closer that is actually well designed. It does its job of closing gaps better than the alternatives. It has niche, nuanced uses in gauge management. It increases damage when used to close gaps without being locked into an inflexible dps rotation. It enhances wars job defining burst phase. Its one of the few places tanks havent been fully homogenized.

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I can see where you're coming from, and I do agree that it being tied to the BG forces you to only use it as a gap closer (outside of IR). I think the problem, however, is that it adds absolutely nothing to the BG itself. How is the BG otherwise defined? Damage abilities. This ability leads to damage, but it would lead to damage if it was off the BG too. My suggestion of "take it off the BG" might've been too black and white as it just puts it in the same clunky spot as the other tank gap closers. However, this is easily remedied by just removing the damage aspect of these abilities. People won't spam them for damage if they don't do damage. I don't even know why a movement utility skill needs to do damage to begin with - you don't see En Avant, Shukuchi, etc. doing damage.

I don't really see it as that much an issue. It's great in mob pulls as Onslaught-Overpower-Mythril Tempest gets you back what you spent for Onslaught and keeps your Storm's Eye up if you set it up prior.

Really helps during pulls like in Malikah's Well where the distance between the two wall to walls has the loading screen inbetween.

Using it in raids/trials is about the same as what we've been doing in SB, it's just that the enmity increase is now ingrained in our tank stance/trait. See no issues with it if you've been managing it properly. Especially as it helps us not overcap our beast gauge if we need to go into 1-2 combo.

What really needs a buff is just a couple seconds more on Nascent Flash. 6 seconds is nice but I something like 8 would be perfect, especially for getting off more fell cleaves for the MT's hp regen.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

For the love of war leave onslaught alone.

Dont just remove gauge. A 10 second recast spam ability makes no sense.

Dont make it a clone of the other tanks 2 charge system. Theres already problems with those as it is.

Combo systems and procs? What is wrong with a gap closer being a gap closer? Making it a dos gain skill just plops it right into the same issues plunge (and now all yhe other clones) have always had.

Onslaught is the only gap closer that is actually well designed. It does its job of closing gaps better than the alternatives. It has niche, nuanced uses in gauge management. It increases damage when used to close gaps without being locked into an inflexible dps rotation. It enhances wars job defining burst phase. Its one of the few places tanks havent been fully homogenized.

Leave it alone ffs.

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That being said, I could get behind it being a combo off Upheaval. If the combo duration remains longer than Onslaught recast then you could hold it after Upheaval in the event it's needed for movement and not lose anything.

(To clarify I just mean bonus potency off Upheaval combo, not being locked behind a combo)

I don't really have a problem with either, but if Eye was increased to 40 seconds that's at least 2 more Path combos for gauge building, add combo'd Onslaught (at, I'm guessing, around 250 potency) every 30 seconds and WAR is bound to be in a little better shape.

At the very least it'd be better than re-learning Convalescence at lv78.

Onslaught doesn't need to be turned into a clone of the other tank's gap closer. It should work exactly how it does now, except for the following changes:

Make Onslaught usable from outside combat, for free. While in combat it costs 20 gauge.
It now triggers an 8 second eye buff. This 8 second window has three functions:
- Fits an Overpower/Mythril Tempest rotation, which further extends the buff, making this a nice way to engage a group of enemies.
- Fits the 3x GCDs you normally need to apply eye, meaning you get the damage buff for your initial rotation.
- Doesn't allow spamming of Onslaught as a replacement for doing the eye combo. This is why it's not 10 seconds.

Onslaught vs. Fell Cleave as a gauge dump is pretty similar now, so the damage per gauge is in a good place.

With these changes it is now a really thematic way to initiate combat for a warrior. You can always use it, and charging into the enemy is really warriory and will feel so much smoother than not being able to charge while OOC like now. It also solves the issue WAR has atm with having to build up the eye combo when AoEing packs.

I'm happy with how it is for one main reason: 20y range. God I hate playing the other 3 tanks and feeling gimped by those 5y!

My only gripe with Onslaught is really just a small gripe about the job at the moment-- it needs another oGCD. Just needs that extra APM boost imo. Onslaught would fit that slot if it were dps positive. Another Ability would do the trick as well.

In E1 Onslaught is way better than the other gap closes. Overall Onslaught is fine. Warrior need some minor potency buffs in his GCDs (preferentially the beast spenders due to the critical scaling) and Storm Path adjustments.

DRK, PLD, GNB gap closers: 200 potency, 30s recast, 2 charges, 15' range
WAR gap closer: 100 potency, 10s recast, 20' range, 20 beast gauge.

They are balanced because WAR can gap close much more often and consierably farther distance. Like when I play WAR, I can gapclose to a target as soon as I target them from across the field. PLD/DRK/GNB is that awkward distance where it feels like I have to get decently close to gap close that I might as well sprint.

I saw someone mention that it should apply / extend Storm's Eye.

I think that's a good idea, and expands its use a fair amount. It is especially useful after long down times, effectively allowing you to not skip a beat to reapply it.

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Originally Posted by Rhyn

Onslaught doesn't need to be turned into a clone of the other tank's gap closer. It should work exactly how it does now, except for the following changes:

Make Onslaught usable from outside combat, for free. While in combat it costs 20 gauge.
It now triggers an 8 second eye buff. This 8 second window has three functions:
- Fits an Overpower/Mythril Tempest rotation, which further extends the buff, making this a nice way to engage a group of enemies.
- Fits the 3x GCDs you normally need to apply eye, meaning you get the damage buff for your initial rotation.
- Doesn't allow spamming of Onslaught as a replacement for doing the eye combo. This is why it's not 10 seconds.

Onslaught vs. Fell Cleave as a gauge dump is pretty similar now, so the damage per gauge is in a good place.

With these changes it is now a really thematic way to initiate combat for a warrior. You can always use it, and charging into the enemy is really warriory and will feel so much smoother than not being able to charge while OOC like now. It also solves the issue WAR has atm with having to build up the eye combo when AoEing packs.

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This would be nice.

I like onslaught as it is, it is an actual gap closer if they make it any stronger I'll just use it for the damage...
If anything they need to turn down the other gap closers.