It's inevitable at this point that will make it's appearance in FFxiv so I thought I'd make an introduction for the Azure Lore, that is the lore of Blue Mages. If you have your own suggestion for introduction of the Job class be sure to share it here, or to share any other thoughts on it. So without further ado:
Blue Mage, Fell Mage, Primal Mage; there are as many names for these nomadic mages as there are gods for the people of the world. They are instantly recognizable by their blue vestments and their curved blades. Historically, Blue Mages have been feared and regarded with suspicion for their worship of the primals, primarily Atomos, from which they have learned their distinctive fell magic.
Typically the city-states of Eorzea have learned to cope with their presence and come to a grudging respect for the independent mages, coming into conflict with them only on rare occasions due to the Blue Mages nomadic and reclusive nature.
Until recently that is. The Blue Mages have been targeted for extermination in the recent increase of the Garlean empire's aggression, ostentatiously for heretical practices. While it's true that worship of any god other than the state sponsored deity is banned under threat of reeducation or death, the truth of their sudden interest in the Blue Mages has more to do with the threat that the Garleans discovered them to be during their initial encounter.
A few years ago a group of Blue Mages went to bare witness to the Primal Migarsomr, which had destroyed a Garlean fleet of warships. There they discovered, to their horror, that (like the Primals) their magitek that they were so proud of was mostly ineffectual on the Blue Mages. It took an entire legion of mechanized cavalry units to subdue the six grand masters of Blue Magic.
With their freedom now in jeopardy, the Blue Mages have aligned themselves with the city-states of Eorzea both in order to protect themselves and to seek out those with the fortitude, will power, strength, and determination to harness their fell magics.
Azure Lore, introduction for BLU
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03-15-2012, 05:00 AMMudcatAzure Lore, introduction for BLU
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03-15-2012, 05:32 AMThePatriarch
rather have ninjar
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03-15-2012, 05:49 AMBrannigan
Cavalry. Also if you're talking about the thing in Mor Dhona that's apparently Midgarsormr
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03-15-2012, 06:39 AMMudcatI do agree that they should implement NIN as well. Here's hoping that they'll have an actual identity of their own this time around (other than "the loltank"). But this is about BLU, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePatriarch
Thanks for the spelling correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brannigan
Are you talking about the huge sky serpent in the opening movie like I am?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brannigan
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../ShinryuBC.png
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03-15-2012, 06:49 AMAceofRains
I liked the Arabic feel of ffxis blue and I'd kinda like to see that feel return. I think the blue mages should make a return as the high guard of the Ul'dah Sultin. Like a secret police.
Now lore is not all that interests me because I am a blue Mage freak, and love everything about the current armory and job system coexisten
Blue Mage should make a return basing A). Either basing in the new pet class and using a whip as a main weapon, reminiscent of Quistis. The pet class should only have good petcontrol (full control is the purpose of a beastmaster.
Now, a monsterfarm is going to be needed for this next idea.. Capturing monsters allows you to get items from the monster regularly, like gathering (oh perfect for a shepherd). When you have a monster as a blue Mage, it allows you to call upon certain skills from the monsters, I'd say up to 3 until the increase the level cap. The blue Mage will have two other skills. A "Combo Affinity" Skill that makes your next blue magic usable in a weaponskill combo for increased effects, and your 15 minute which will be a weaponskill that I'm not sure the effect should be, I've had a couple ideas but I never thought out this build like this before, though I like the name Azure Oblivion, it's a kind of play on the fact that blue mages learn, but oblivion meaning forget. Probably should inflict amnesia or something to actually lock out an ememies skills. (lol im just writing as I go now but sounds so epic)
But yeah I'll post more but I'm on my iPod... -
03-15-2012, 06:52 AMNoctisUmbraThe Wyrm in the opening movie that wraps around the Garlean Airship and brings it down, and whose remains can also be seen in Mor Dhona, is indeed Midgarsormr. Confirmed lore via MNK questline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudcat
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03-15-2012, 07:55 AMMudcatJust looked it up, appears Migarsomr (also Jormungundr) is what it is... so are Wyrms considered primals? Anyhow, thanks for the correction, OP changed to reflect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra
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03-15-2012, 08:01 AMMudcatBLU has never ever been a pet class. Period. BLU is the class that learn spells by observing monsters, defeating them and (at least in FFxi) devouring their souls and their weapons has always been swords, never whips. You're thinking of Beastmaster (BST)Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRains
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03-15-2012, 08:21 AMAlhanelem
It's hardly "inevitable at this point."
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03-15-2012, 09:40 AMMudcatNo? We got gear already in FFxiv that would look right at home on a BLU, a storyline they'd be at home in, and a game engine that would potentially have rawking right off the bat as opposed to five years from inception. Doesn't get much more inevitable than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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03-15-2012, 10:17 AMzaviermhigo
I would love blu, but as of right now, blu would be an overglorified thm learning all the old thm abilities off of mobs lol. I'd like them to sit down, think about mob types, mob moves, mob tp attacks, and then create blu. Right now there isn't much of a difference between mobs, elemental resistances sure, but in XI you'd specifically kill certain mobs because they were squishy or they didn't have a bad tp attack, BLU should have all those "bad to us (good if you can cast it haha)" tp attacks.
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03-15-2012, 10:43 AMHanemakikaze
Give me some decent mob skill animations, and then maybe I'd want my fav job back. As it stands, I'm not interested till I see that change.
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03-15-2012, 11:21 AMAceofRainsBlue Mages are Associated with monsters. Blue mages have used so much more than swords. They've used Swords, Whips, Forks, even lances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudcat
Please DO NOT be an FFXI purist and not be able to think realisticly about how these things could be implemented.
So what, we make blue mage based in gladiator, giving it all these tank skills and then a couple of randoms? Yeah, no I don't think so. You have to actually think about how these jobs are going to be built
Building a class/job combo isn't made by OMG IT HAS TO BE THIS! its built by carefully considering what makes it unique. Who said you dont learn by observation? You have to "own" a monster before you can use its abilites. Owning a monster usually entails fighting it first.
What about build ISN'T Blue mage-like about this? Da hell do you even know what a blue mage is?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3540/...8fe72ecb77.jpg
Omg Quistis you Blue Mage you... whats that your holding. Oh a whip? Hmmm say Quistis how do you learn YOUR magic? Oh items? Really thats pretty neat?
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...so_artwork.jpg
Oh hey Khimari nice SPEAR.
Whoa how do you learn your skills? Lancet? interesting way....
I hope your catching my drift, because your hopelessly lost if you think anything you said about blue mages right there is true. -
03-15-2012, 11:59 AMMudcatAnd they should be turned into a pet class... because? Throw me a bone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRains
You are right to call me a FFxi purist because it is the first (and so far only) FF game I've played in depth. I've recently started playing the other games (I am stuck on FFii) in order to have a better understanding of it and so far the only thing I can understand is that the fame of the series is undeserved. About the only good ones I've seen so far is FFxi and FFxiv (although FFi was a good way to pass time). So if I got the weapon portion wrong I apologize.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRains
I have, actually and making it based upon GLA like THF would necessarily need be if (read: when) it gets implemented would be a mistake. I haven't played far enough into FFxiv to know about how the base classes translate into the secondary jobs or the advanced jobs I heard being discussed but BLU has always been different from the start (despite being based upon an age old idea of imitating the forms or taking on strengths of beasts) I would like to see done right this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRuins
I don't have to have been a life long player of the FF series to call you out on the silliness of this idea. First, there's are beasts you can 'own' and those you can not. And if you can't 'own' that monster what then? Secondly, you can't target yourself with attacks in FFxiv, and I can't imagine you can have your beast target you either if (read: when) they ever implement a pet class/job.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRuins
Lame argument. One thing I liked about FFxi BLU is learning spells they learned them. It made the job more involved than other mage(ish) jobs which just read a scroll (which they got priced gouged on by the Auction House) and they learned their spells if they were the right level.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRuins
With BLU you have to be the right level range (skills being up to date helps), go out (most of the time off the beaten path to places others don't go) and actually learn it. What's not to like?
Read: stupid way. And (no disrespect to the LNC and DRG) a mage wielding a lance? That's even stupider than having BLU branch off from GLA. In what sane universe do mages go anywhere near heavy arms? Wait a minute, BLM sometimes use Scythes in FFxi... I retract that objection to the blasphemous image.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRuins
However they do it I hope they do it well. BLU on FFxi is a lot of fun and a bit of a power trip, however it wasn't exactly done right if you get me.Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofRuin
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03-16-2012, 12:36 AMAceofRainsIf you haven't been a player of FF games why don't you inform yourself about the history of a job in full before saying what it should be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudcat
Also, monster farms are not at all a wierd concept. You could capture monsters in both FFT and FFTA
In tactics advance the monster farm was something the morpher could use, when you captured an enemy, you could use it's soul as a weapon. You needed a hunter to be able to capture monsters in the first place, and a Beastmaster to be able to further assist bluemages of that series in learning by controling monsters druing combat. ALL of these classes coincide with eachother, and a monster farm so if I were to make them anything, they would stem from a pet class.
As for a spear blue mage, im not exactly for that one since Khimari was also a "Dragoon" but I would actually be fine with BLU gettting the transferable skills from a lancer, to make it a more effective DD type. You shouldn't just chalk it up to a mage wielding a lance, because its not JUST a mage. If you recall some blue magic was based on a factor of physical strength and TP. Mage is just a glorified title for this job.
I think in FFXI Blue Mage just had TOO many skills that were useless. I think FFXIV should focus on giving each enemy type 1 magic that Blue Mages can obtain, but you can only set 3, as the other two skills you should get are the weaponskill and combo affinity. I think this build does alot of justice for the class, you just gotta open your mind to it. Chances are, you'd probably like playing it alot more than FFXI's -
03-16-2012, 12:39 AMZahak
Honesty I don't want to see blue mages in Eorzea.. I'd like to see them in another country in some expansion. And yes i prefer the curved blades to the whips any day xD I wouldn't mind something original though...weapons made from animal parts? <_< uh...
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03-16-2012, 12:47 AMThanosRather have SAMQuote:
Originally Posted by ThePatriarch
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03-16-2012, 12:52 AMMushy
Not to derail your guys BLU talk. But I hope you also voted for summoner on the poll!
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03-16-2012, 12:55 AMAceofRainsYou know it! :P Favorite FFXI jobs = BLU, SMN, DRG, PUP, BRDQuote:
Originally Posted by Mushy
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03-16-2012, 01:20 AMFalcusI'm sorry... RDM and Musketeer for me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mushy
Been wanting Musketeer since they teased me with that gun during alpha and GLA was my main class to start with so I could make a class similar to RDM xD
Learn more about what the job is before claiming to be all knowing about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudcat
Also, are you playing through them in order? Because FF1 is sort of meh (it's alright I guess but nothing amazing) and FF2 is... well FF2 is just terrible. -
03-16-2012, 01:25 AMMushyI agree, I suggest skipping to 4 that was probably the first amazing ff no offense to 1 but its archaic. So just move to 4. and final fintasy 5 is going to give you a great treat as its structure is all about jobs. 5 is one of my favourites and I replay it often just for combination of jobs. Also you can try to make runs with only certain jobs making it harder. best replay value of an early final fantasy. after 5 go to 6 love it, then go replay 5 a few more times... then go to 9 [=Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcus
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03-16-2012, 01:30 AMFiron
If they make blue mage use whips i would jizz all over my pantsu!!!!
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03-16-2012, 02:18 AMAceofRainsYour tell me xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Firon
Though I'm a fan of Scimitars and such, I'm ready for something different.