ANy one else feel?

Like we need something similar to Raider I.O in FFXIV for Party finder?

That the "N" is trying to over power the "A"? Not a hit on you but that made me :D Tho can you explain what you want? How did Raider do it?

That would weed out some undesirable players, so yes.

I don't feel, I'm a robot.

(can we stop with the clickbaity/vague titles please? It is in the forum rules after all.)

I used to do mythics in WoW, I just couldn't spend time each week "grinding" things to raise my IO score so I could do literally anything outside my guild.

Eventually I just gave up.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Like we need something similar to Raider I.O in FFXIV for Party finder?

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no thanks

we dont need more elitists in this game

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Like we need something similar to Raider I.O in FFXIV for Party finder?

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I think this is a terrible idea. Raider I.O was beyond abused by wow players to the point that players were getting turned away for first time runs. So no take the idea and scrap it before it even begins.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

(can we stop with the clickbaity/vague titles please? It is in the forum rules after all.)

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I used to do mythics in WoW, I just couldn't spend time each week "grinding" things to raise my IO score so I could do literally anything outside my guild.

Eventually I just gave up.

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same here , plus if u stop playing for a week ( well maybe 2) your rating is going to suck , ppl were doing +10 +11 , then +12 +13 ect , if u are out of the loop , or u have an awesome guild that help u out to scale ranking.....o u are banned from m+ content....no1 is going to invite a low r.io

first it was ilvl then r.io take its place

Raider.IO is a terribly inadequate tool that is used incorrectly by the vast majority of WoW's player base. If you ever fall behind in M+, Raider.IO, and the way the players utilize it, makes catching up extraordinarily difficult—and that's largely because it only tells you what a player has done, not what a player can do.

So no, a copy of Raider.IO would be quite bad for this game, but tools that tells you what a player can do would be welcome.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I don't feel, I'm a robot.

(can we stop with the clickbaity/vague titles please? It is in the forum rules after all.)

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Would help if they didn't work :P, but clickbait titles is probably the reason why I stop youtube after a few videos. Worse are the ones that lie lol. ". . .what . . not even . . the thumbnail . . why you . . done for today".

Having never used Raider I.O can someone give me a ELI5?

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Originally Posted by LilySkye

no thanks

we dont need more elitists in this game

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I feel the same way....but with the "I play my way", "It's just a game, why should I put in any effort, I have a RL" and the "I report even the players with the best intensions if I feel they criticize my playstyle by trying to help me learn my job" type elitists more so than the ones you are referring to. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Eli85

So no, a copy of Raider.IO would be quite bad for this game, but tools that tells you what a player can do would be welcome.

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I would put a hard no on Raider.IO and tools like it but a more advanced version of Halls of the Novice would be welcome. Something like Mists of Pandaria's Proving Grounds

For those of you who haven't played WoW here's a description:

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The Proving Grounds are a special type of single-player scenario that allows players to both learn and demonstrate the core skills associated with a given role or class. These might take the form of testing how long a tank can protect an NPC healer from a stream of oncoming enemies, or how much damage a rogue can deal to targets while avoiding awareness and movement checks of increasing difficulty. The system is intended to be a fun way for players to practice some of the skills that are essential for group gameplay, and for expert players to demonstrate mastery and compete for positions atop leaderboards, similar to the Challenge Mode feature.

There are three types of challenge, Damage, Tank and Healer, with each providing appropriate challenges. Each challenge can be tackled in Bronze, Silver, Gold or Endless mode, with each difficulty unlocked by defeating the previous one. Higher difficulties provide a stiffer challenge not only in terms of numbers but also in complexity, with more complicated sequences and combinations of enemies. Endless mode provides the player with a literally endless challenge, testing players to see how long they can withstand the onslaught.

The Proving Grounds become available at level 15, but only players at level 100 will be allowed to progress beyond Bronze difficulty.

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In Mists when you signed up for a pickup group it would display your level of completion in Proving Grounds: Bronze, Silver, Gold or none. Proving Grounds isn't a walk in the park either, it does test you pretty well. For example, if you have never used crowed control leveling, well, you will HAVE to use it in Proving Grounds. DPS PG has enemies that should be CCed then killed in certain orders, aoes and spells to avoid, abilities to interrupt etc.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Like we need something similar to Raider I.O in FFXIV for Party finder?

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Why would we want something that breeds toxicity?

No. Raider IO is abused by specific, rather large, groups on WoW and a similar system used to be abused on EQ2 before it got shut down. I'd rather have nothing similar here, where it's easy enough to figure out where you messed up if you're actually serious about doing content at the highest level.

This is the last thing this game needs honestly. Raider IO was awful and only really showed good scores for people who had done the content 50 times, as opposed to those who were actually good.

More grinds isn't what we need at all imo.

(I'm living proof of this, played WoW in bfa and always got into groups simply because I was always doing dungeons which raised my score even though I probably didn't deserve it.)

Don worry, if baddies become a problem community gonna find methods to filter them out. Thats how it always goes, no forum post gonna change that, nor one against it

Why do people constantly insist on Putting WoW mechanics into FFXIV?
Leave the game alone, either play FFXIV or go play WoW.

No. I won't use any external site that monitors my gaming activity and exposes it to others. The dependency on raider.io was one of the reasons I left WoW, because it meant that I couldn't get into M+ runs. (Playing Enhance didn't help either.)

I think generally any sorting option to prevent people from playing with others who dont have a compatible playstyle is good. Raider.IO was just not good enough at that, and it was possible to game the system, to the point where everyone did it.

But as an example, I believe there need to be test ratings for DPS and Healers, plus a bunch of complex fight control tasks, that get rated. For example, if you play a DPS and you do 5000 damage per second on this scenario, you get an A rank, if you do 4000 a B-Rank and so on.
Then people can put that into the party finder, similar to itemlevel, but based on ACTUAL performance (obviously different numbers per class), and players who dont pass the test know there is room to improve, and can try again tomorrow.

I dont think its the solution that I have one Titania EX group that struggles to get her below 58% before adds, and another that has her at 43%, all in the timespan of an hour, and all with the same description in their PF text.
This just means that bad players try to find ways to sneak through ("kill for a friend, yeah right ") their first kill and then gum up the works in farm groups for others.

FFXIV is not a difficult game. Being bad at it is just a lack of will.

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In Mists when you signed up for a pickup group it would display your level of completion in Proving Grounds: Bronze, Silver, Gold or none. Proving Grounds isn't a walk in the park either, it does test you pretty well. For example, if you have never used crowed control leveling, well, you will HAVE to use it in Proving Grounds. DPS PG has enemies that should be CCed then killed in certain orders, aoes and spells to avoid, abilities to interrupt etc.

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Kinda sounds like what people hoped/feared Stone Sky Sea would be.

I doubt Yoshi will ever implement any kind of peer pressure tools where you have to prove yourself.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

I think generally any sorting option to prevent people from playing with others who dont have a compatible playstyle is good. Raider.IO was just not good enough at that, and it was possible to game the system, to the point where everyone did it.

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A sorting option might be good, but for things like DF dungeons, like if people could be matched based on their preference for pull size.

For raids it would be bad. If you only lump all the good players together then that makes it harder for bad players to clear, which means less and less clears overall. Then the devs would see lower and lower clear rates and either make the content easier or stop making difficult content altogether. If you want hard content then you need to be willing to carry some scrubs now and then.

Wow Refugee memes aside, with Wow's quality in almost ever regard dropping imo (Played since Vanilla both here and WoW) I specifically enjoy FFXIV for the fact that it's lacking aspects of WoW I disliked.

Toxic behavior will always be there but having a Mod / system akin to Raider.IO will only give elitists more to flaunt and abuse.