Intended scaling for Piety?

Got curious about how much MP per tick Piety was actually giving.

The answer is .. Not a whole lot.
Base MP regen across all MP jobs is 200 per tick.
Naked with base Piety of 340, SCH gets 200 MP per tick.
Adding 120 Piety to that changes the tick to 205 at 460 Piety.
At 2286 Piety, I get 288 per tick. Adding 120 Piety to bring me to 2406 improves that to 293.
Adding 2066 Piety netted me a grand increase of just 93 MP per tick.

So it seems no matter how high or low our Piety is, 120 Piety will return 5 MP per tick.

Is this the intended scaling for Piety, or did they just lowball it with a final adjustment when Eden launches?

Based on this site of theory crafters piety brings 1 point of additional MP reg every 22 points above 380.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Based on this site of theory crafters piety brings 1 point of additional MP reg every 22 points above 380.

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Well, at least my random testing today matches what they mathed out, lol. Means I didn't flub the maths.

Looking at that though, would seem the absolute maximum mp regen we can ever expect is all of 381 per tick if we bend all of our gear optimization towards MP regen.
Bleh. What even is the point of it if I cant build it high enough to be impactful enough to reduce dependency on Lucid … Basically telling us to ignore Piety in favor of any other stat.

Don't tell it my pocket healer buddy, who crafted MP potions for the story run after he saw the Changes to MP from the media tour.
He forced me to big pulls just so his oGCD heals would be worth it and he didn't had to use Aetherflow with unused stacks.
Lucid was always an cooldown, also his MP potions...
He is now a MP potion addict.

I mean I don't know about you but getting a Ress amount of mana after 25 seconds seems pretty good~

Sadly a tick is 3sec not 1, so yeah fully melding piety to about 2560 right now would give us a raise every 72sec, seems pretty underwhelming, but probably intended.

I pretty much predicted that our MP regen would suffer pretty badly, and that Piety would have next to no impact. This is the one time I'm actually disappointed to be right.

Am I missing something here or is my sleepy head just on full blast rn?

320 mana per tic (3 sec)
25 sec ÷ 3 = 8.3 x 320 = 2.666k

Which is a raise worth of mana in 25 seconds. And it definitely feels like it considering how much of a non issue mana is right now.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Am I missing something here or is my sleepy head just on full blast rn?

320 mana per tic (3 sec)
25 sec ÷ 3 = 8.3 x 320 = 2.666k

Which is a raise worth of mana in 25 seconds. And it definitely feels like it considering how much of a non issue mana is right now.

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Don't forget that every GCD you burn at least 400 MP.
So with ABC in mind you burn at least 480MP per tick.
As you see even with the least costly spells per GCD the MP reg is in the negative.
To level out the MP consumed per tick with the MP reg you would need around 6500 Piety on a 2.5 sec GCD.

If you reach around this point you only need lucid to cover up rais costs and more costly spells or you are just a WHM with superior MP management skills.
So in practice you are always at a loss of MP per tick and dependent on lucid and there will never be a gain in MP reg VS MP consume.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Don't forget that every GCD you burn at least 400 MP.
So with ABC in mind you burn at least 480MP per tick.
As you see even with the least costly spells per GCD the MP reg is in the negative.
To level out the MP consumed per tick with the MP reg you would need around 6500 Piety on a 2.5 sec GCD.

If you reach around this point you only need lucid to cover up rais costs and more costly spells or you are just a WHM with superior MP management skills.
So in practice you are always at a loss of MP per tick and dependent on lucid and there will never be a gain in MP reg VS MP consume.

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This seems vastly irrelevant considering that you're not including lucid dreaming but increasing the range of testing, it's basically an unspoken rule. If you're going to do the math you need to go all the way. Either way the two above posts are wrong in terms of math alone. Even ignoring the fact you won't always use a GCD per tic for whatever reason, mechanics, holding GCDs(doing nothing/using oGCD), etc it still just seems pointless.

Skill and situations vary, tic's don't.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

This seems vastly irrelevant considering that you're not including lucid dreaming but increasing the range of testing, it's basically an unspoken rule. If you're going to do the math you need to go all the way. Either way the two above posts are wrong in terms of math alone. Even ignoring the fact you won't always use a GCD per tic for whatever reason, mechanics, holding GCDs(doing nothing/using oGCD), etc it still just seems pointless.

Skill and situations vary, tic's don't.

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Without context numbers are worthless.
Your context is doing nothing, what never ever should happen in any duty outside of forced mechanics.
If you stop doing anything without being forced to you're doing something wrong.
And it changes nothing on the fact that piety scales horribly with just 1 point for 22 additional piety.

TL;DR: It's good for pugging and bad for min/maxing.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Without context numbers are worthless.
Your context is doing nothing, what never ever should happen in any duty outside of forced mechanics.
If you stop doing anything without being forced to you're doing something wrong.
And it changes nothing on the fact that piety scales horribly with just 1 point for 22 additional piety.

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Except the context is irrelevant in this case? Because you're always going to be using lucid dreaming on CD same with aetherflow and assize, not mentioning thin air which is 3 tics of mana or lightspeed. Piety scales just fine. All you said was "Piety is worthless because you're always going to be at an mp loss." I'm pretty sure everyone already knows that, that's why mana management skills exist in the first place. Piety wasn't meant to replace mana management skills it was meant to supplement them. Combined with your mana management skills piety scales completely fine I think you just wanted lucid level numbers on what's essentially a passive.

Looking closer at other stats even if it was only 1 point per 22 points it's still fair when compared to the other stats considering it works every time every 3 second at a 100% rate of 100% power and no variation.

Approximately every 11 points of Crit above 364 will grant +0.1% increased Crit chance and +0.1% increased Crit damage. You start with a base 5% crit chance with your crits doing 140% additional damage.

Roughly every 4 points of Direct Hit above 364 will grant +0.1% to strike a Direct Hit, dealing 125% of normal damage. A Direct Hit can also Crit!

Roughly every 17 points of Determination above 292 adds +0.1% to the Determination damage modifier.

Spell speed breakpoints depend on the base cast time of your spell. For example, you will need approximately 67 spell speed above 381 to reduce the cast time of a 2.5s spell by 0.01 seconds. But a smaller amount is enough to speed up a 3s cast.

Rather than reducing the time between swings, skill speed increases the damage of your auto-attacks, with roughly 17 points above 364 granting +0.1% additional damage. Spell speed does something similar for dots.

Every 14.5 points of Defense grants about 0.1% damage mitigation at level 70.

Parry no longer exists in Stormblood, replaced by Tenacity. Roughly every 22 points of Tenacity above 364 grants tanks +0.1% additional damage and reduces damage taken by an additional 0.1%.

the only thing remotely compareable is defense and det and there are down times in both of those. And you can clearly see that because of dets high uptime it is one of the more costly stats.

So when you tell me that 1 mana per 22 which is literally 0.01 of 10,000 and that context matters on something that works every 3 seconds as long as you're alive and not capped on mp all I hear is, "I'm sorry I can't do math could you please repeat that?" And in the nature of fairness you literally need 10x the normal the amount of piety to get the same as the other stats mentioned above. Though this is likely because there is a hard cap on mana right now, honestly though it's still fair.

In a 10 minute fight recovering 320 mana per tic(2560(25 sec)) you'll recover a total of 61,440 naturally without any aid from any other form of mana management skills. Most fights last around 11 minutes when enrage hits too.

At the base 200 you would get 40,000 over 10 minutes but with piety being in everything it would probably be about 45-48 maybe even low 50s. This mana right here is the difference between the heal the wipes that party and the heal that saves the party. Honestly though you don't need piety currently at all if you run with a good group that knows how to not get hit in the face. It just helps with pugs and mitigating being punished for recovering other peoples or your own mistakes. Which is the large majority of the populace.