Ifrit-egi is bugged.

Has anyone tested Garuda's autoattack damage with Ifrit's autoattack damage?

Supposedly Ifrit should hit for the double of Garuda right? Because Garuda's AA potency is 40 and Ifrit is 80.

Well no, that's not the case apparently.

i435 SMN here, Ifrit's autos hit for 1750-1800 damage. Garuda's autos hit for 1500 damage.

If you don't believe me go to a dummy and test it for yourself.

This could actually be why SMN's DPS is lower than intended because Ifrit is actually bugged.

So yeah, fix this class SE please.

Ifrit hits two times. onece with AA and once with a spamable skill.

I thought pet auto attacks were removed and the only automatic thing they performed themselves was that spammable skill.

Like I said, Garude only uses the spamable skill and Ifrit uses the skill + AA.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Ifrit hits two times. onece with AA and once with a spamable skill.

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No it doesn't in ShB. You might want to go to a dummy.

So this does not concern anyone? Like my dotless Ruin II 80 potencies against a dummy hit for 3500 on average, yet my Ifrit Egi hits for 1700...?

The real potencies of Ifrit Egi and Garuda Egi I calculate are around 40 and 30 respectively.

Oh this is a good one too. Titan-egi autoattacks hit for even less than Garuda-egi. I'd say the potency of Titan autos equals roughly to 25 potency.

I thought different pets all have different scaling? so you can't just compare their potency from tooltips? Tho it's may be a bug... either way even if ifrit did its 80 potency then what? it would give SMN bigger number without SMN doing anything, it's pointless. Stronger glorified dot will solve nothing sadly... tho if it is a bug they should address it obviously

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Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

I thought different pets all have different scaling? so you can't just compare their potency from tooltips? Tho it's may be a bug... either way even if ifrit did its 80 potency then what? it would give SMN bigger number without SMN doing anything, it's pointless. Stronger glorified dot will solve nothing sadly... tho if it is a bug they should address it obviously

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What sense does that make. If Ifrit's potency is 80, Titan is 60 and Garuda is 40, what kind of reasonable logic do you apply to get to the conclusion that Ifrit should do 1750, Garuda 1500 and Titan 1300. This does not make any sense at all and yes, it does look like a bug to me.

Anecdotally I have been doing less dps with Ifrit than Garuda.
All the top smn using Ifrit though, so I was thinking I just doing something wrong.

Pets indeed have different 'scaling' factors that come into play when looking at their potencies. This has been known for quite a long time, but I'll leave the technical explanation to someone who knows it better than me. But as you've found out for yourself, it's quite easy to see just comparing the numbers of something like ifrit's '100 potency' egi assaults to your own 100 potency ruin 3's (with no dots).

So yes, suffice to say it means the potency number you see on most pet related tooltips is a lie, and it's not real potency. In practice, garuda potencies are roughly 80% of 'player potency', and ifrit's are more like 48%. Demi summons use 'garuda potencies' so that 650 akh morn/revelation is actually 520, and wyrmwaves are 120 not 150. Those wonderful ifrit egi assaults that bloat up the rotation? They actually do 48 potency for your trouble making them even more pathetic than they look, heh heh.

This was the case even in Stormblood when summoner damage was just fine. So it's probably not like they're balancing the job around the wrong damage numbers or our pets are bugged without them knowing or something. It's just a very unclear game mechanic that is not explained anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Ifrit hits two times. onece with AA and once with a spamable skill.

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Ifrit actually lost its autoattack going into Shadowbringers for some reason. It's true that ifrit used to have AA + burning strike spam, while garuda as a caster pet only has wind blade spam but no AA. That was one reason why (contribution from contagion aside in Stormblood), ifrit did more than damage than garuda even with a worse potency multiplier. Now however, you will see ifrit only does burning strike and nothing else.
Several people have reported the loss of ifrit AAs as a potential bug since the launch of the expansion, and I'm given to believe it has been moved into the 'accepted bugs' category. If ifrit's autoattacks are returned to him, that might indeed be one source of missing damage that would improve summoner numbers.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

Pets indeed have different 'scaling' factors that come into play when looking at their potencies. This has been known for quite a long time, but I'll leave the technical explanation to someone who knows it better than me. But as you've found out for yourself, it's quite easy to see just comparing the numbers of something like ifrit's '100 potency' egi assaults to your own 100 potency ruin 3's (with no dots).

So yes, suffice to say it means the potency number you see on most pet related tooltips is a lie, and it's not real potency. In practice, garuda potencies are roughly 80% of 'player potency', and ifrit's are more like 48%. Demi summons use 'garuda potencies' so that 650 akh morn/revelation is actually 520, and wyrmwaves are 120 not 150. Those wonderful ifrit egi assaults that bloat up the rotation? They actually do 48 potency for your trouble making them even more pathetic than they look, heh heh.

This was the case even in Stormblood when summoner damage was just fine. So it's probably not like they're balancing the job around the wrong damage numbers or our pets are bugged without them knowing or something. It's just a very unclear game mechanic that is not explained anywhere.



Ifrit actually lost its autoattack going into Shadowbringers for some reason. It's true that ifrit used to have AA + burning strike spam, while garuda as a caster pet only has wind blade spam but no AA. Now however you will see ifrit only does burning strike and nothing else. That was one reason why (contagion aside in Stormblood), ifrit did more than damage than garuda even with a worse potency multiplier.
Several people have reported the loss of ifrit AAs as a potential bug since the launch of the expansion, and I'm given to believe it has been moved into the 'accepted bugs'. If ifrit's autoattacks are returned to him, that might indeed be one source of missing damage that would improve summoner numbers.

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I was aware of that, but right before the expansion landed, when I saw Ifrit's autos tooltip showing 80 potency and garuda's autos showing 40 potency, as well as the fact they weren't targetteable anymore and how SE told us they changed the EGI system making it so that the commands would be issued by the SMN itself and not the pet, I thought myself, the 80 potency and 40 potency most likely are the real potencies scaled to SMN's damage now, it made perfect sense.

Well no, they literally halved their potencies and kept their garbage own scalings xDD. Oh dear...yeah...the 50 potency/2k damage Egi assaults...it almost hurts to see, especially when the MNK next to you is doing autoattacks of 4.5k xD.

Edit: As for the missing AA, if SMN is doing lower damage than intended on top of having an absolute mess of a rotation, for god's sake, the very first thing they should do is fix their glitched egis. As if dealing with this class wasn't painful already...

Just tested it myself, i444 (bis, half materia). Without crit/dh, Ifrit had an auto attack damage of 1800, garuda 1530, and titan 1400. Numbers are approximate and rounded to nearest hundred, bumped garuda's because it was noticeably above 1500 every time.

There is definitely something wrong here, even if you assume pet scaling of 80% SMN stats, it should still be consistent within itself of Ifrit > Titan > Garuda at 2x, 1.5x, and 1x garuda's resting potency, which it clearly is not. Ifrit is definitely stronger, but not twice as strong, so something is screwy here.

As a note, Burning Strike, Wind Blade, and Rock Buster are the pet's "auto attackls." They do not hit outside of these named abilities automatically.

For reference, Ifrit is hitting for 20% more than Garuda if I assume garuda hit at 1500 at rest, and Titan for just under 7% less than Garuda. Remember, Ifrit should be twice as strong as Garuda, and Titan 50% stronger. Crimson Cyclone appears to have hit for 2300-2400 potency, flaming crush for the same 2300-2400, 30% stronger than 80 potency when it should be 25% stronger, but that's within margin of error.

Slipstream, at 20 potency, hit for 800, putting it at 48% less damage than the 40 potency auto attack (margin of error). Meanwhile, Aerial Slash, 60 potency, was hitting for 2400, 56% more (margin of error) making it consistent with the 40 potency auto, but also meaning 60 potency on Garuda is equivalent to 100 potency on Ifrit, because reasons. This is also true with the 20 potency Slipstream, it's 1/3rd of the 60 potency Aerial Slash.

Meanwhile, Titan's Mountain Buster at 70 potency comes in swinging for 1600, an 11% increase over its resting state of 1400. For reference it should be 16%, so again it's within margin of error for such low sample sizes because laziness.

So, all 3 pets seem to be consistent within themselves, but the relationship between all 3 of them is completely broken.

As a control, Ruin 3, at a default of 100 potency, swings in for 4500-4800, meaning that Ifrit is at about 39 potency, whereas Garuda is at 33 potency, and Titan at 30 potency for its main attack, and everything else is relative to that. Again, low sample sizes. But the most obvious observation is that Ifrit is less than half as strong as it's supposed to be, Garuda at 75% as strong as it's "supposed" to be, and Titan at half as well. So Garuda is definitely overscaled, but the pet penalty is ridiculous to say the least. This is insultingly low and I'd seriously consider deleting the egis because these numbers are that bad.

Titan-egi... its ability to generate and hold aggro appears to be more or less gone? Soloing mobs for various slay/fetch/weaken quests, it isn't able to tank even one mob, so far. No matter what I do - sic and wait for Titan to engage, as an example - the mob turns and runs straight for me.

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Originally Posted by CatStarPrime

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Titan is no longer a tank pet, this was changed with the expansion so now it's just an attacker-type pet like Garuda and Ifrit. If you need assistance fighting open world mobs, use your Chocobo companion.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Titan is no longer a tank pet, this was changed with the expansion so now it's just an attacker-type pet like Garuda and Ifrit. If you need assistance fighting open world mobs, use your Chocobo companion.

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Titan-Egi is a support type that gives you shields for 20% of your max HP. So while it does not tank for you it helps you tank.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

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I say attacker as just a blanket term otherwise I would have said Garuda is specifically a caster-type, but potato potahtoh. Titan giving you a shield makes you no more a tank than a BLM using Manaward and it doesn't help when Demi is out.

Yea I tested this too and something is wrong with Ifrit...I’m still doing great dps but like you said it should probably be more especially if we are going to be this new turret caster. I hope they fix us up before savage or I will be an angry cow! :(

Well I know that Ifrit and Garudas number have scaled differently since ARR to help Ifrit's DPS catch up to Garuda and Contagion. Also if I remember right Egi damage scale from spell speed rather than magic attack power (Confirmed from patch notes 3.0; In order to receive the effects of the caster's spell speed attribute, all pet actions excluding auto-attacks have been changed to elemental damage.) The player character is using Magic Attack Potency and INT for their spell damage but I believe Demi use this too. SE needs to simple adjust it back to where Egi DPS is based off of Magic Attack Potency.