The Poll question about player classes, specifically pet classes.

I was really disappointed with the way this class was presented. The three mian contenders for this role are very different from each other and appeal to different types of player. Personally I'd love to see puppetmaster back, hated summoner and had no interest in beastmaster. Some will hate PUP and love SMN, others still have a lot of love for BST but may be meh about the others.
I think the poll should have included an option to specify which type of pet class they preferred if they had voted for a pet class.
My other choice was for something new ( since SAM wasn't on the list) who doesn't like the idea of SE giving us something we haven't played before?

Could be that BST will be the class, and that PUP and/or SMN both are its advanced jobs?
With only 7 classes currently in the game I could see SE doing somehting like this with their pet class implementation.

The only thing that makes me sad is there was no option to vote for Samurai.

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Originally Posted by Choyi

Could be that BST will be the class, and that PUP and/or SMN both are its advanced jobs?
With only 7 classes currently in the game I could see SE doing somehting like this with their pet class implementation.

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I dunno about that one. I mean, it makes very good sense, I'm not disagreeing with that. I think it makes sense to have a pet class feed into the pet jobs, but I also think that the pet classes are so different that needing to use one in order to unlock another is silly. Like OP said, I lovelovelove Puppetmaster, and the only thing that would get me to play Beastmaster is if I had to level BST to unlock PUP.

And I think that having a generic pet class that feeds onto all 3 jobs might be a bit boring. I mean, the only kind of pet that would sensibly fit into all 3 classes would be a summoned-mechanical-monster. And to top it off, you would only (as of now) get 5 abilities that are distinct to your particular kind of pet as a job. AND you would only tend to use the pet you really like in party situations as the jobs are designed for party play.

I think a way to introduce pet classes and jobs would be to add a class and job for each.

-Summoner could be based on like an Elementalist class that summons those little elemental guys. And then the summoner can summon more powerful creatures, at the cost of available cross-class abilities.

-Beastmaster could be based on a Tamer class that essentially does the same thing as BST, but BST is designed more for party play.

-And Puppetmaster could come from Puppeteer or Gadgeteer or something that has a Puppet but it is more generic like the Harlequin, and Puppetmaster unlocks the ability to change the frame and head for a more role-specific puppet.

Another way (and a way that doesn't add 6 new classes/jobs), would be to have each pet type be its own class. And then the same pet-enhancing job is availiable for all 3. And then the pet you use is determined by your weapon.

-For Example: I have a lvl 40 Puppetmaster and a lvl 35 Summoner, and since I don't like BST, it is 0. I can do the job quest for a Mentor job or Familiarist job. So I unlock Mentor as puppetmaster and summoner, but not BST because I lack the prerequisite levels.

-As mentor, I can equip H2H weapons and whatever summoner uses (bows or wands or something). That weapon determines what pets I can use as well as which base class abilities I have access to (all of puppetmasters abilities if using H2H, etc). Then the mentor class abilities tend to enhance pet abilities, regardless of pet type.

This way you can have the pet type you want from level 1, rather than unlocking that pet type at level 30 and only being able to use that pet type if you are in job mode.

Sorry for the long post, I just think that Pet jobs are going to be tough to implement well in the current class/job structure.

EDIT: lemme get more detailed

I see it more along the lines of

Summoner:
Main Class: CNJ
Minor Class: THM PET
The summoner is a support style charcter that can also participate in damage dealing. Giving it elemental magics and curatives alllows it to freely be a DD or fall back on support. But thats just the player. Each summon would have its own unque abilites to bring to the table. And dont say OMG THATS TOO MUCH LYKE FFXI SUMMONER, because think about it, how is a summoner supposed to exist huh?

Beastmaster
Main Class: PET
Minor Classes: ??? ???

I dont know, really but being a beastmaster means having full control. Being an absolute master of the pet class. Beastmaster should be the job, not the class.

Puppetmaster
Main: Either PUG or PET
Minor: PET if PUG is Main and ???

Puppetmaster would either be from PUG or the new pet class. in the case of pug, it would use the pet class's supporting abilites the same way a summoner does. A Close combat evasionist DD with supporting abilites of an interchanable mammet. I say pup should major PUG because there is a mammet right there in the platinum mirage.

Hi guys.

In the French Poll, last line of classes/jobs part has an "arithmetician" suggestion. Was it the same name in english ? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Sag

Hi guys.

In the French Poll, last line of classes/jobs part has an "arithmetician" suggestion. Was it the same name in english ? Thanks.

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Yes it was in the English one aswell.

Could I just maybe advance the theory that they weren't talking about the FFXI classes as in copy/paste but rather the generic idea of them being summoner/beastmaster etc?

Also, I voted arithmatician because killing people with math sounds pretty boss.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

EDIT: lemme get more detailed

I see it more along the lines of

Summoner:
Main Class: CNJ
Minor Class: THM PET
The summoner is a support style charcter that can also participate in damage dealing. Giving it elemental magics and curatives alllows it to freely be a DD or fall back on support. But thats just the player. Each summon would have its own unque abilites to bring to the table. And dont say OMG THATS TOO MUCH LYKE FFXI SUMMONER, because think about it, how is a summoner supposed to exist huh?

Beastmaster
Main Class: PET
Minor Classes: ??? ???

I dont know, really but being a beastmaster means having full control. Being an absolute master of the pet class. Beastmaster should be the job, not the class.

Puppetmaster
Main: Either PUG or PET
Minor: PET if PUG is Main and ???

Puppetmaster would either be from PUG or the new pet class. in the case of pug, it would use the pet class's supporting abilites the same way a summoner does. A Close combat evasionist DD with supporting abilites of an interchanable mammet. I say pup should major PUG because there is a mammet right there in the platinum mirage.

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I like most of what you said. I just think that it would be nice to be able to use your desired pet from level 1 as well as in parties. The pet is what makes the class special. Summoner is cool, but having only 5 summoner specific abilities makes being summoner not so different from being Puppetmaster or Beastmaster. And its the same with the others as well. Going from having tamed mobs to having a puppet doesn't make much sense. The way you presented BST made much more sense, I think. You went from a Pet class to a pet job, where both are based around the same pet type, making the Job abilities mesh with the base class abilities.

I just think it makes more sense to have the specific pet type available from level 1. And then have either 3 unique jobs, or a more generic pet job that enhances the abilities of your pet regardless of pet type.

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Originally Posted by Wicka

I like most of what you said. I just think that it would be nice to be able to use your desired pet from level 1 as well as in parties. The pet is what makes the class special. Summoner is cool, but having only 5 summoner specific abilities makes being summoner not so different from being Puppetmaster or Beastmaster. And its the same with the others as well. Going from having tamed mobs to having a puppet doesn't make much sense. The way you presented BST made much more sense, I think. You went from a Pet class to a pet job, where both are based around the same pet type, making the Job abilities mesh with the base class abilities.

I just think it makes more sense to have the specific pet type available from level 1. And then have either 3 unique jobs, or a more generic pet job that enhances the abilities of your pet regardless of pet type.

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Well its 5 abilities per job but dont forget if smn get ability summon garuda garuda has a ability list for herself.. This would aply to every pet for each pet job making all pet jobs very different

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Well its 5 abilities per job but dont forget if smn get ability summon garuda garuda has a ability list for herself.. This would aply to every pet for each pet job making all pet jobs very different

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I've actually come up with some summomer stuff as well though its not quite done yet
I can tell you the summons are NOT primals they are more lesser. (lol oxymoron)

I chose to work on skills forrrrr
Carbuncle - Neutral property
Phoenix - Fire Property
Ixion - Thunder Property
Fenrir - Ice Property

the 15 minute ability would be of course astral flow but implemented waayyy different. Under this ability
the summons get a passive influence ability, and access to their overdrive. I have no idea how SE is going to do perpetuation cost but under my idea there is not perpetuation, only under the effect of astral flow, and that is until you use your pets overdrive, which would subsequently release it from your command.

As to why I did Fire thunder and blizzard element summons as the first 3 elemental?
The CNJ base gives access to upper level Stone and Aero so you wont be missing out on those abilities.

Belive me guys I've though all this thought millions of times lol Im a sucker for jobs.

Fenrir would be umbral carbuncle astral dude lol i was using garuda as an exampke. I will leave the summoned creatures to se to decide

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Fenrir would be umbral carbuncle astral dude lol i was using garuda as an exampke. I will leave the summoned creatures to se to decide

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Ya i dont really care what they do as long as theyre good summons. Fenrir was an umbral carby in ffxi
I think change is good somtimes. I forget what it was like a card game or some other video game fenrir was an Ice element so I went with that :/

That i know of fenrir has allways been related to the moon. Darkness and death, even in advent children fenrir is said to represent clouds guilt and grief for his lost friends. And follows him around.

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

That i know of fenrir has allways been related to the moon. Darkness and death, even in advent children fenrir is said to represent clouds guilt and grief for his lost friends. And follows him around.

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>.< I could argue about ol' luna all day but my point comes to this.
The moon as a symbol does not represent death.
The moon is feminine, Dark, Cool Those are the things associated with night.
The wolf howls at the moon.
The wolf is a cool sometimes tundra animal, a loner like a person with an icy heart.

But fenrir is dark and evil and is supposed to eat odin aliveeee..in mythology that is. My point is saying fenrir is ice its like saying ifrit is wind. That cant be because ifrit acording to myth is a creature of fire that can only be killed with the fire that floods it veins.. Ergo ( wohoo i fell like the architect), the quest name for ifrits fight if it bleeds we can kill it

Ps sorry for typos im on my cellphone :(

OH YEAH, well I have the end all piece of information. Menphina, the lover. She is of the Ice element and is associated the moons. FFXIV myth takes precidence over real life on these forums.


BOOYAH ._. sorry i shouldnt gloat over shit like this.

If I were to make lore, Fenrir would be her pet wolf that kept her company as she waited for oschon, but thats just me. Or at least the summons could be the spirtual pet of the 12 like phoenix as Azeyma the wardens pet phoenix, or Ixion as Raglahrs steed.

Its all good for the typos lol I make a ton too tryings to type out my thoughts before they escape.

Something tells me that SE should stop mentioning any classes, jobs, races, or anything that concrete from previous FF games because people read way too much into things and assume that they're going to implement a 100% carbon copy into FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Also, I voted arithmetician because killing people with math sounds pretty boss.

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Same! I really geeked out when I saw that on there.
*majoring in math*

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Something tells me that SE should stop mentioning any classes, jobs, races, or anything that concrete from previous FF games because people read way too much into things and assume that they're going to implement a 100% carbon copy into FFXIV.

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Hush you nobodys talking about carbon copys here, this is all 100% orignal material :P

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

OH YEAH, well I have the end all piece of information. Menphina, the lover. She is of the Ice element and is associated the moons. FFXIV myth takes precidence over real life on these forums.


BOOYAH ._. sorry i shouldnt gloat over shit like this.

If I were to make lore, Fenrir would be her pet wolf that kept her company as she waited for oschon, but thats just me. Or at least the summons could be the spirtual pet of the 12 like phoenix as Azeyma the wardens pet phoenix, or Ixion as Raglahrs steed.

Its all good for the typos lol I make a ton too tryings to type out my thoughts before they escape.

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Ff myth is based on rl myth from all religions. Its the way ff series roll.

The Twelve is similar to the zodiac. Menphina being associated with moon is most like the Cancer of Western zodiac.
ff myth may borrow real life dietys and concepts but they arn't one and the same...


But I've already proved my point about fenrir lol we can end this now? pleeassee >.<

Ok you win. And dalamond is carbuncles ruby and hes going to rein on us.... See i can make up lore too im done.

Fenrir was earth/wind on FFIX, so not always darkness.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Something tells me that SE should stop mentioning any classes, jobs, races, or anything that concrete from previous FF games because people read way too much into things and assume that they're going to implement a 100% carbon copy into FFXIV.

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I don't think anybody is assuming carbon copy content is SE's goal. What can be assumed is this:

-Squeenix is a developer of franchise games, and they have strong branding and recognition in all their franchise games.

-FF is full of reused names, places, enemies, character archetypes, etc. Eg. If there is a character that is good at building stuff, chances are, his name is Cid. Don't even get me started on the recycled content in the Mana series.

-This recycling is what builds that recognition, and it usually is not a carbon copy. More often than not it is used as a frame of reference, or an identifier for the player.

That being said, it is SAFE to assume that when Squeenix says 'summoner', we are probably looking at a pseudo-caster that brings elemental beings into play, either as spells, or since it was lumped under pet classes, as pets. Until they release some information on how pet classes will work, all we can do is speculate on the more intricate details. And using past structures is as good a base of speculation as any.

I am very excited for the pet classes (with the exception of BST) and I would like them to be base classes rather than jobs. As pet classes are traditionally built around the pet, I think it would work best if they got all of the abilities and traits tailored to a specific pet type from level 1.

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Originally Posted by KaozMarquis

Fenrir was earth/wind on FFIX, so not always darkness.

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Fenrir called forth the earth and wind elementals but was not a wind or earth based sumon itself

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

Fenrir called forth the earth and wind elementals but was not a wind or earth based sumon itself

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Fenrir_(Summon)

Ferir isn't static like ifrit or shiva. Hes been different every game.

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Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver

That i know of fenrir has allways been related to the moon. Darkness and death, even in advent children fenrir is said to represent clouds guilt and grief for his lost friends. And follows him around.

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Actually ice makes a lot of sense for Fenrir as the name is based in Norse mythology. This was mentioned above but Fenrir in norse mythology is a creature that eats Odin at he end of Ragnarok (the Norse end of the world) or something like that.

Besides, Fenrir in Final Fantasy has represented just about every element under the sun. In FF9 he was an earth summon and punched your enemies into space with a giant stone fist (making him one of my favorites :D).

See for yourself.

Who cares what element it is, let se decide that's what we pay them for hehe

More smn discussion! :D I hope our weapon is a whip and we are dd/support type class.

Can anyone post the question as it was worded on the english poll? thanks~

It seems like maybe the main pet class could be Arcanist. Maybe they trap the aether of their prey and use their "weapon" to call it forth. they could call the actual beast or maybe use the aether in a mammot. This could lead to the job of Summoner or PUP. Like as an Arcanist you could call a familiar Wolf and control it's actions. Later you could do a quest to control Fenrir.. Rodent-Carby, Bird-Phoenix, Buffalo-Behemoth, Dragon-Bahamut. so on and so on.