Don´t get me wrong. I love Samurais and i Love using Katanas. But especially BECAUSE of that fact i am so sad i have such an hard time to enjoy my Sam. When i play him i get bored instantly but when i play another job then i feel frustrated im not playing Sam right now.
There is such a weird feeling that is in my way to make me feel enjoyment while playing samurai. It is actually my favourite job at least i want him to be it but whenever i play him something makes me feel so bored of him.
Why is that? Am i the only one with that problem? My only theory i can think of to explain that is because most of samurai skills never get to see the full animation because you are using so many skills with him so you miss alot of animations compared to jobs like gunbreaker where you always have enough time to see the full animation.
and what also frustrates me is that samurai got the most boring skills out of all jobs for shadowbringers. the only skill i love he received is "shoha" the 80 one but the usage is very bad because you have to charge 5 times for only an attack potency of 500 so this skill is useless because in that time you can make much more damage with other skills or am i wrong?
if all skills of samurai would have an animated skill like shoha i would like him much more. there are skills like kasha & gekko that i enjoy to watch but every other skill is so boring.
i dont know, its ironic .. when i play him i feel bored but when i play another job then that i like more then i feel frustrated im not playing samurai right now and feel uncomfortable.
can anyone help me with that struggle? xD
ps. it is also sad that his level 76 skills dont have cooler animations. its just the same skill animation. i thought all 3 Iaijutsu geht new animations for their stronger version at least that would be so cool but it seems like its just the same skill... so sad
Soo...is it just me or is Samurai very boring?
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07-02-2019, 05:15 PMRyulaidoSoo...is it just me or is Samurai very boring?
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07-02-2019, 05:46 PMKaozurei
In the middle of a fight I don't have time to stop and look at the skill animations, so I can't say I share how you feel in that regard. I play a job because I enjoy its specific playstyle and it lets me do what I want to do (either support my party or deal damage). To me it sounds like SAM just isn't to your liking, but you're trying to force yourself to like it simply because you like Samurai. You sound like you're the type who prefers flashy Samurai abilities shown in things like Anime, while the game's version tones down on flashy effects save for a few specific skills which means you probably just won't really be happy with it. Not really much to do about that though, I'm afraid. It's either you play the job simply because you enjoy how it plays or, if the bland skill animations are too much for you then your only choice is to just give up Samurai and find another job you like more.
As for Shoha, it's pretty bad for a level 80 skill but you can use it during forced downtime though and just get in a quick attack when the boss is targettable again. -
07-02-2019, 05:57 PMValStormbreaker
The sense of speed and excitement from any melee DPS job comes from how you weave and double-weave oGCD abilities in-between your regular weaponskills. Samurai doesn't have a whole lot of this but it does have a little, and will help make the job feel more exciting when you know how to use this properly.
Some jobs were all about this, like Monk, which is where it got its sense of speed and flow as your weaponskills on the global cooldown are slow without things to fit in-between, but because Shadowbringers forcibly regressed MNK now it no longer has enough oGCDs to do that comfortably, making it far more boring to play than it was before, a complaint you'll hear about a good chunk of the DPS jobs. "Great QoL additions but too much was taken off the top and now it's a duller shell of its former self,". Not sure about SAM in 5.0 since I haven't tried it out, but assuming it didn't have anything critical to its single-target rotation like MNK did you should be fine. I'd recommend trying to learn about and practice weaving with the skills you have, and get used to using your positionals as well.
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07-02-2019, 06:29 PMRyulaido
@kaozurei i totally 101% agree with you. its just like you said. but it is so sad to accept that fact! Because of that i think its crystal clear now it seems like i wont be able to main samurai anymore even if its very frustrating. But if they did not develop the samurai id love to have i shouldnt force myself to play him because he wields a katana but his actual gameplay bores me.
@valstormbreaker i will try it and give it a chance. thanks for your reply too -
10-27-2021, 06:43 AMTheWhiteRabbit
I've been looking for a post like this, and I Finally found it!
Samurai is EXTREMELY BORING. How is this not a huge issue? I simply do not understand. Of all the jobs currently in the game, SAM sells its fantasy for me the absolute least. Its so slow, so boring, so uninspired to play and look at that I genuinely FALL ASLEEP playing it.
Why is SAM, which in this iteration is supposed to be based on the 1800s, the rebellion against the government version, feel so slow? so focused? The combat style it feels like its communicating now is more akin to that of the 1600s, Sengoku Jidai period. With the huge armor. But they didn't want to go the tank route (which i agree with) so they made it 1800s, but failed to get the FEEL of the 1800s, the rebel against government.
We should have gotten 1800s aesthetic and 1800s feel (dps, what I want) or 1600s aesthetic with 1600s feel (tank, I don't want, but at least it matches)
Instead we got 1800s aesthetic with 1600s feel.
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10-30-2021, 12:17 PMSequora
It’s not supposed to be fast. It’s supposed to be slow and powerful.
There are several other melee DPS that fill this role.
Maybe try MNK? -
10-30-2021, 12:58 PMTaranokFunny, I wouldn't describe Samurai as 'slow and powerful.' The only mDPS I'd ever describe as that, is Ninja back when it had the HW rotation. Which Mudras helped inflate and made it feel faster, otherwise it was a pretty 'slow,' laid back class despite its GCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequora
That said, SAM can feel awfully slow while leveling. Shoha is a silly ability and, combined with Tsubame-Gaeshi, can really make the rotation feel very, very fast just off those 2, but especially when combined with everything else. I describe SAM as the single most technical class in the game, currently, for a reason. But not the hardest. That still belongs to Black Mage. -
10-30-2021, 01:17 PMRinaBSounds like you need to play NIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryulaido
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10-31-2021, 02:19 PMzcrash970
I kinda wish they went with FFT version of SAM. Using magic to unleash sword skills and melee heavy weights.
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10-31-2021, 02:24 PMShironeko_NarunyanIt seems to be a problem with your values. You want to play a Samurai, but the XIV SAM isn't your cup of tea.Quote:
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That's like Dave Mustaine being frustrated that Metallica was successful, even though Megadeth was a giant of metal of its own. -
10-31-2021, 04:08 PMDrkdays
I don't play it much, but I found it to be a very smooth playstyle. So smooth in fact that I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't your problem with it, even if you don't realize it.
It has a lot of actions, a charge, a backstep, a ranged skill, some very powerful single target abilities and easy to use aoe, but for all that once you get it all figured out it's very easy to play well.
It's just not a challenging class to master, which can be disorienting when compared to most other melee dps classes. -
10-31-2021, 04:49 PMPayadopa
When I leveled SAM in ShB I was so amazed by the flow that I want to make it my main in EW. lol
The animations could be a bit more flashy, but I remember hearing the dev team state that making SAM not flashy was a very deliberate design decision. It's like the opposite of BLM in many regards minus DMG. -
10-31-2021, 05:47 PMTaranokIt's smooth until you get tsubame-gaeshi. Then you realize your skill speed can completely mess up your entire rotation, and singular accidents, such as casting an extra GCD, sets you back 20s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
It's in the same category as hagakure in Stormblood. On paper it's fine, but it runs into semi-serious gameplay issues in practice that it has no right having problems with. They're slightly lessening the problem, but it didn't seem like they were properly fixing it.
Also, if you think SAM isn't challenging to master, you really don't understand SAM's rotation. Right now it's the second hardest class to master at level 80, and it doesn't seem like that's changing at all. -
10-31-2021, 06:03 PMDrkdaysMinmax junkies aside, SAM is not difficult to play well in the hardest content without having to work yourself into a frenzy like with DRG or MNK.Quote:
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10-31-2021, 06:08 PMAceceHow to say you don't know how to play samurai without telling us you don't know how to play samurai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
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10-31-2021, 06:15 PMDrkdaysTrusty forums, turning every comment back on the poster in the form of an unprovoked insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acece
The SAM rotation is very linear and easy to understand. It does not take a great deal of practice to be able to reliably keep up the two buffs and one dot while dodging mechanics and performing the heaviest attack abilities. It is to that extent that I refer to mastering, not the numbers crunching "repeating, of course" study of 0-1 second skill execution perfection that only a few define as "mastering." Keep your elitism to yourselves. -
10-31-2021, 06:27 PMAceceYou said "not that challenging to master" that means skill ceiling. That's inherently going to be about so called elites. Samurai is easy to pick up but it has tons of nuance about uptime, looping, kenki management, third eye usage, down time, and making a time line if you want to get to the nitty gritty stuff. Saying Sam is about keeping up a dot and two buffs is as genuinely bad as saying blm is easy because all BLM does is cast fire 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
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10-31-2021, 06:33 PMDrkdaysNot here to argue with you or anyone about what defines mastering a class. I said what I said and that isn't even the point of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acece
You can try to convince op that the class might be more fun if he focuses on such absolute perfection, but that sounds like a good way to get burned out even faster to me. Too easy unless you're a fanatic then too hard?
"Of course you're bored with SAM, that's because you're doing it wrong" get outta here with that. -
10-31-2021, 06:48 PMAceceI was just talking to you not the op, the op is from the very beginning of the expac when shoha was a completely different ability and hagakure was taken out of the game lol. I don't mind people thinking Sam is boring because taste is subjective, all I was doing was saying is Sam isn't an easy job to master. Idk what you consider for a job to be mastered but if it is subjective, then a ice mage has mastered their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
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10-31-2021, 06:54 PMDrkdaysThen why even say anything at all. What a waste of typing. SAM is an easy job to master the basics and a harder job the master at minmaxing. We're both right, but you gotta get all arrogant about it?Quote:
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Like I said, hold the elitism. Bash posting is gross. -
10-31-2021, 07:14 PMAceceSo we agree then, idk what I said that was elitest or arrogant. I just poked fun at you at the beginning lol. my bad if it came off that way. Sorry.Quote:
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10-31-2021, 09:08 PMRinaB
I want to add my personal reason why I find Sam so satisfying. I'm kind of a technical person and I get a lot of enjoyment out of successful executions of things (I play a lot of guilty gear strive btw) and Sam really rewards that kind of playstyle. The skill ceiling seems to keep getting higher the more I play but the sounds, animations and abilities are solid as well.OP needs to play ninja as I said before. There are a lot of Sam's but most just play it for "mah katana".
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11-01-2021, 09:39 AMnarwhal
I initially believed SAM to be a very simple class when I first picked it up but as I played more I started practicing things like third eye usage and finding it so satisfying whenever I line up my burst rotation perfectly for huge damage.
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11-06-2021, 03:24 PMRyaz
A lot of jobs are boring while leveling. Samurai doesn't really start to open up until 62+ when you get enhanced kenki generation. At 80, you can build for a faster skill speed, which I personally enjoy, with a 2.0 GCD which helps keep it a bit busier. Then there's the shinten spam in between.
But Samurai isn't really meant to be super fast and flashy. They're the swordsman, landing precise, beautiful strikes and finishing with a hard hitting ability. They were a little more fun in SB before they nerfed the flexibility if the class, but I still find it fun to play and one of the best built jobs in the game.
And it's got just enough extra things to help with the skill gap, like using Third Eye at the proper time and know when you can Meditate. -
11-06-2021, 05:53 PMGemina
Boring is not a word I would use to describe SAM. It's an elegant job, and performs an elegant dance of powerful and precise strikes. I think the intent behind this job's design is that it replicates that same kind of craftsmanship that goes into high quality, combat ready Japanese katanas. I actually think that they are not quite there yet, and this job can be improved upon.
It has the power, now it needs the gorgeous aesthetic that Japanese katanas are known for. That's not to say that it doesn't have nice animations and sound effects now, or that it has to be flashy; but there are definitely ways to make this job feel and look superior to how it is currently. -
11-06-2021, 09:18 PMNaoki34I really like the SAM with a Skill Speed hard cap of 1827.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequora
With that I still get a sufficiently high critical rate.
I am mostly faster than the SAMs who play with a soft cap of 1320.
Optimized on the right secondary stat before saying it's slow. If you only focus on Crit > Hit, it's normal that it's slow.
Plus there are plenty of non-GCD skills to fill the gap and dps more. -
11-07-2021, 04:04 PMAelin_Ashryver
You never see the animation of all GNB skills what on earth.. their continuation combo is so fast you miss half the animations on the skills. Personally really love Samurai and it's skills, they feel impactful, SOUND impactful and look smooth as f*ck. And when you play it right getting that uptime and using your movement properly it feels great, the job has some problems some of which are addressed in EW. If you don't like the job just dont play it. You can make plenty sam style glams on other jobs anyway. My fave melee is still monk because i love the faster pace but I still have to give midare the nod as one of the most satisfying skills to use! Hoping to play both jobs a lot more in EW.