I'm looking for an advice. ATM I am leveling a summoner, but right after that I plan on pushing ahead one of two tanks, gunbreaker or dark knight. WAR and PLD both feel unappealing to me, but between those two I cannot decide which one to go for. I like rotations, ideas, the way they look... one feels like hulking dark monstrosity, other like "light on his toes" kind of tank.
Either way, I am curious about two things: ability to dish out the damage (for solo play) and ability to sustain temselves (damage mitigation + self healing), and I would appreciate opinions - what are your experiences so far for those two fields for those two tanks?
Tank to main? GNB/DRK
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06-30-2019, 11:49 PMShirokamiTank to main? GNB/DRK
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07-01-2019, 02:43 AMKaedan
I went all out GNB and not regretting it at all.
They're "busy" so you don't get bored, they have good damage output, and they have a good balance of defensive skills for both self and party. Not even interested in going back to my DRK main, much less PLD or WAR at the moment (I eventually level all tanks to max). -
07-01-2019, 03:15 AMTheForce
Go GNB. Do not play DRK. That class is an absolute joke rn compared to what it once was, and everyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
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07-01-2019, 05:12 AMshao32
GNB is complex and his rotation is a lot of fun and DRK it's just a simple version of WAR, fun is relative so you will need to try yourself and play both, if you play DRK before and like it don't expect it being like that anymore old DRK play style die saddly this expansion.
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07-01-2019, 06:20 AMShirokami
Mechanics, complexity and such things aside, what of their damage and self-sustainability?
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07-01-2019, 06:45 AMArsthanDRK's damage is second to PLD's, GNB's the last, behind WAR for now. But there's no big gab between them at all, so "Who's the best damage from the tanks?" is kinda a pointless question imo. Self-sustain is gone, the random potency heals that GNB, DRK and WAR have on their combos are just flat potency; not nearly as good as heals based on the damage dealt like in SB. Defensive wise... GNB is "meh, works good enough I guess", PLD and WAR are power houses imo and good luck with breaking TNB on DRK- because if you don't, you lose a big chunk of your DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirokami
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07-01-2019, 07:44 AMKaozurei
DRK feels a bit on the slow side, especially coming from playing it extensively in 4.0. I haven't played new DRK too much yet, but only complaint I have about it is just how slowly it recovers MP. Other than that, I think it's pretty fun and finally has a decent burst phase unlike before, which I really like. Their sustain is rather low, though, and their defensive toolkit relies heavily on The Blackest Night, which is rather costly MP-wise. Damage wise DRK is really strong, or at least it definitely feels that way.
GNB, however, is just on a whole other level of fun. There's tons of stuff to do, you gotta sync up your dots with your damage buff, you got a bunch of oGCDs to weave in between attacks and it just feels engaging for me. My sole complain about GNB is in their personal sustain and mitigation, Heart of Stone is just a worse Raw Intuition being 15% instead of 20%, their Aurora regen is almost useless and their personal shield in Brutal Shell is far too weak to be useful most of the time. They're not TOO squishy, but they could use a defense buff IMO. Damage wise, while it SEEMS strong it actually feels a bit on the weak side... which kinda sucks. A lot of people say it's the worst tank ATM both offensively and defensively but I haven't had any issues just yet.
All in all though, PLD and WAR just seem a bit too strong compared to the other two tanks, but rather than seeing them nerfed I'd like for DRK and GNB to get some buffs of their own to put them on par. Out of the two, though, I would recommend GNB. It's just a ton of fun. -
07-01-2019, 07:50 AMNealSnowBest option inho is try both really. Opinions are a personal thing so the only true way is just try both, see if either tickle you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirokami
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07-01-2019, 09:14 AMInfiniDragonThis is the best advice I can give. If you listen to the more..."vocal" people on the tank threads they'll try to convince you DRK is literally the antichrist and you'll be giving yourself an aneurysm simply by selecting the job stone, while none of them are taking in mind that what they dislike about the job may have nothing to do with what you enjoy in a tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by NealSnow
DRK's AOE is solid and they have a busy rotation when OGCDs are up, but it's not super complex. TBN is extremely good as a personal mitigation and has a nifty counterattack mechanic in the form of Dark Arts.
GNB is more active but their personal mitigation is a bit weak to my understanding (still leveling mine so speaking secondhand here). Really flashy though, in style they have all the tanks beat IMO. -
07-01-2019, 09:23 AMInuk9
Got DRK to 80 today and im loving it.
Note: I played DRk in HW and SB as well
But Im planning to lv up all tanks eventually and switch then when convenience asks -
07-01-2019, 09:30 AMInfiniDragonGlad to hear you're liking it, I'm enjoying the new DRK as well (at 78 currently). Gonna do GNB next so this thread's literally right up my alley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inuk9
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07-01-2019, 02:12 PMIzsha
Do not concern yourself with damage for 'solo play'. There is nothing solo that cant be obliterated by any tanks dps andthey are all pretty close anyway.
Similarly sustain is a non issue for solo play. All tanks have a number of ways to slowly regen their health. All solo content is designed to he conpleted as dps classes and their damage is tuned to that. If it is fit for a dps it tickles a tank. Your passive regen is usually enough to stay alive forever on any solo content.
Tldr: solo content is utterly faceroll for tanks. Just play the one that seems more fun. Gun is busy. Drk is weighty. The aesthetics are pretty clear. If youre not sure try them both then decide. -
07-01-2019, 02:27 PMInosaska
GNB is lots of fun and I'm glad that I choose it to be my first class to level 80. I will be levelling DRK once my GNB is geared for raiding.
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07-01-2019, 04:54 PMJandor
Gunbreaker, no question about it.
Gunbreaker also didn't end up as 'ammo arts' as I thought it might, it feels unique, I'm really enjoying it.
Dark Knight is just a knock off of Warrior in spikier armor, I guess if you like Warrior that might be alright for you, I just can't grasp the logic of turning a fairly unique job into a reskin of another though. -
07-01-2019, 05:01 PMSoraki-MuppeThis. For while I am loving Gunbreaker you OP may not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NealSnow
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07-01-2019, 07:21 PMTheForceAgree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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07-01-2019, 07:31 PMTilaThis tells me you havent played either WAR or DRK since its the other way around. DRK plays like a WAR with more to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by shao32
If anything I would say thats the problem with DRK: its just WAR with more OGCD. -
07-01-2019, 08:38 PMshao32I consider WAR more complex bcs have 2 combos, infuriate mechanic it's way more complex that blood weapon and how infuriate have such sinergy with inner release, DRK is just keep all on coldown and don't think about it, it's slow, simple and lame in so many ways and pretty repetitive spamming the same animations again and again and again. for once in 4 years I find WAR much more fun that DRK and that's a big thing coming from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tila
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07-02-2019, 07:48 AMEpicOverlord85
DRK main from all the way back in HW here, don’t bother. It’s a boring brainless job at this point where you basically spam 1-2-3 ad nauseam until you get to spam 4 for 10 seconds every 80 seconds.
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07-02-2019, 08:46 AMManeeshaWhat he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by NealSnow
Also keep in mind that the expansion just dropped, lots of things changed and probably will change with future patches, lots of people may not like those changes.If you had no previous experience with DRK or any of the other tanks you might like the "new" DRK. Also if it comes to dps, as others mentioned, the tanks are not that far apart and for solo you wont have any difficulties at all. -
07-02-2019, 09:24 AMPK_THUNERReally? I saw someone posted a chart for personal dps and from highest to lowest was GNB, PLD, WAR, and DRK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsthan
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07-02-2019, 09:35 AMShirokamiGNB and PLD both above WAR? I find it hard to believe... considering PLD has always been an "immovable object" kind of tank with lowest damage but highest defenses. Can you find the source of it please?Quote:
Originally Posted by PK_THUNER
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07-02-2019, 09:46 AMArsthanGNB is last it would seem, unless the guy on reddit made wrong calculations which honestly can happen. But yeah, PLD is the highest with DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirokami
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...YVq9sZ/pubhtml here's the document. If you assume WAR has really high crit, he's second. But it's more likely that DRK is superior for now. Though I have my doubts there will be many DRK raiders with how things are standing. -
07-02-2019, 10:50 AMPK_THUNERIt was an image posted in discordQuote:
Originally Posted by Shirokami
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07-02-2019, 01:02 PMAwfulHow recent was this? And is the one Arsthan posted during the media tour change or was this launch?Quote:
Originally Posted by PK_THUNER
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07-02-2019, 01:06 PMMistyregionsHow did you manage to max level all the tanks and try them out extensively with materia builds in extreme?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsthan
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07-02-2019, 01:09 PMMistyregionsHow can you even gather the correct data without hard data from actually leveling and building several builds? JeezQuote:
Originally Posted by Arsthan
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07-02-2019, 01:23 PMHierroThere are two types of people: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistyregions
Anyways DRK isn't bad. It plays like a slightly busier WAR that requires slightly more attention. I like WAR, so this resemblance isn't a bad thing, but what I do dislike is my high APM tank option is missing. -
07-02-2019, 02:20 PMKaozureiThis image was posted on reddit too, it's based on a ton of assumptions and normalized potencies, so it is as inaccurate as you can possibly get. The poster on reddit was already called out on this and this should not be taken as fact whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PK_THUNER
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07-03-2019, 12:59 AMMistyregionsYah but that's not how it works, you can only extrapolate when you have a complete data set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
Now correct me if I am wrong but a complete data set includes all variables of all jobs with all of them at max efficiency with max rotation.
Now also correct me if I am wrong turbo, but I am willing to pay a month of your sub if everyone has gotten all that done already with one character. -
07-03-2019, 02:17 AMJandorIt's a joke. Two types, only one example, incomplete data. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistyregions