I'm honestly quite surprised that none of the media people have asked the staff during the media tour or at E3 about what's going to happen to Eureka after the expansion. Or well, someone probably did, but no one is talking about it.
The reason I ask is that as someone that has an interest in watching such major content not end up predictably dying, I've come to realize that by the nature of Eureka's design... You won't be able to unsync for Eureka's relics, compared to the previous two relics. Meaning that if the Eureka relic is to be 'nerfed', it will have to be done through other methods tied to progression in Eureka itself.
So, what exactly is to be done with Eureka to alleviate this?
I've been tossing around a couple ideas, though I imagine the developers have thought of something different. Even so, I'll share mine regardless, in case someone in the development process reads this.
1) Allow us to use skills up to level 80 in Eureka.
Eureka has a different progression system compared to the rest of the game. It's similar to PoTD and HoH in that regard, but the dungeons are more tightly balanced around their respective caps, while Eureka really isn't due to being mostly open world. Allowing us to use ShB skills in Eureka likely wouldn't result in the balance shifting too much, but capping skills to level 70 would probably lead to enough bad taste in people's mouths to cause fence sitters to not even bother.
2) Either allow all NMs to drop Eurekan fragments, or allow us to exchange crystals for Eurekan Fragments.
I find that one of the consequences of keeping NM spawn conditions hidden (even if the community has mostly figured it out themselves) is that it's contributed to the behavior of a 'NM train' that is mostly just AFK waiting for a small group of people to spawn them one by one.
Letting NMs drop Eurekan fragments or allowing us to exchange crystals for fragments would go a long way towards poking the train to be a bit more proactive. Doing NMs wouldn't just be for EXP/relic progression then, it'd also contribute towards Baldeson Arsenal gearing progression, the ultimate goal of many people in Eureka.
Assuming NMs drop fragments directly:
- Anemos: Level 1-10 NMs drop 1 fragment, level 11-15 NMs drop 2 fragments, level 16-20 NMs drop 3 fragments
- Pagos: Level 20-30 NMs drop 2 fragments, level 31-35 NMs drop 3 fragments
- Pyros: Level 35-45 NMs drop 2 fragments, level 46-50 NMs drop 3 fragments
- Hydatos: Level 50-55 NMs and Onvi drop 2 fragments, level 56-60 NMs drop 3 fragments. Support FATE for Baldesion Arsenal drops 5 fragments.
Assuming you can exchange crystals for Eurekan fragments - conversion rate:
- Anemos: 100 crystals per fragment
- Pagos: 75 crystals per fragment
- Pyros: 50 crystals per fragment
- Hydatos: 25 crystals per fragment
So, what does everyone think should be done?
An Inquiry into Eureka post-expansion
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06-19-2019, 03:55 AMSaitoHikariAn Inquiry into Eureka post-expansion
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06-19-2019, 04:57 AMDaralii
I'm kind of hoping that they eventually allow trusts for things like Eureka and Diadem once they become legacy content.
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06-19-2019, 05:13 AMLeoLupinos
Eureka is already complete. If there is 1 player in the instance the NM will scale down so that you can complete it. There's nothing to nerf since one can complete everything there solo.
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06-19-2019, 05:13 AMdisturbedcobraIf I recall correctly, they mentioned Diadem being reworked and implemented into the whole Ishgard restoration in the previous live letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daralii
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06-19-2019, 05:27 AMDriavnaErm no, that's not how Eureka works. A person alone in there, well, GL HF.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
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06-19-2019, 05:27 AMRaldo
I just assume they'll raise the iLevel cap up, and leave everything else the same.
While you may not have any luck soloing the higher-end NMs, that is indeed how Eureka works. I've soloed Askalaphos in Pyros, and done solo bunnies a LOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driavna
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06-19-2019, 05:30 AMLeoLupinosI did solo NM with RDM when everyone left after the instance being locked, a lot of times. First you have proof of what you call a lie, then you have value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driavna
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06-19-2019, 05:31 AMLaylaTsarra
BA should be the only place to earn fragments in my opinion. The discords will still be running the content. Personallly I hope they don't nerf BA in the least and make it something people still need to learn and work though. It's really fun if done as intended.
Maybe they should nerf ultimate too then and let us filthy casuals give tomestones for the weapons earned there. Why should we have to actually do the fight? -
06-19-2019, 05:32 AMAlucard135You can solo most of the stuff there, but it requires a minimum of a single full party to deal with the high level stuff in each zone. Basically the stuff that you can't level sync to are the difficult ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Driavna
As for OP. I think you'd be able to go there with level 80 skills, since only your elemental level and ilevel are synced. Also, if they can implement the logos system into Anemos and Pagos, that would be helpful. -
06-19-2019, 05:34 AMLeoLupinosYes. Adding to the information, the items needed to complete the relic can be purchased with crystals already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alucard135
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06-19-2019, 05:45 AMMusai
I've been very curious myself as to how the post-expansion relic nerfs that normally happen would work with Eureka.
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06-19-2019, 05:49 AMLaylaTsarraI suspect they'll nerf HP, increase crystal drops and make NM spawns rates much easier. They'll nerf light in Pagos and Pyros you can be sure to make the light based crystals easier to earn. Whether of not they'll unsync any of it I don't know kind of doubt it but we'll find out soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musai
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06-19-2019, 05:50 AMDriavnaSo I have to present any evidence but you don't? Nice! Anyway, why you assumed I talked only about NM's difficulty? Low levels fates are nothing special when you can cheese those with un-sync to health up. But for the ones that really speed up gathering crystals, or to even summon a final boss? I guess with certain logos, a class and a lot of patience can be done. Sure, NM's adapt to the number of players but the place is designed for groups, alone is way less efficient and you are blocked out certain NM's.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
Still, the main hurdle (at least for any map but Pyros) is to summon the NM's. -
06-19-2019, 06:02 AMShougun
I would really hope something happens. As I don't feel it's fine when it becomes less popular/solo. Once Eureka loses the good farm on tomestones and gear that is relevant it's going to take a pretty hard participation hit.
I'm not particular on what but /something/. Can't imagine trying to level from 0 solo the entire time, what a painful slow nightmare lol (imo, though it's not bad in a group with the CLOG/FATE trains but that'll increasingly harder to pull off as it becomes less visited).
Wonder if perhaps SE is going to fold the content into new content in 5.0 (perhaps Eureka 2.0), so it wont really become a graveyard.
Maybe Blue Mage will come in with his pre-elemental aspected spells and level 5 death Ozma into the face lol. -
06-19-2019, 06:44 AMSaitoHikariThey're not the same and you know it, and snipping at Ultimate at someone who actually has cleared one of the Ultimates isn't a particularly good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra
The thing about BA in itself is that it's gated behind a massive grind. My suggestions are more from the standpoint of ensuring that there is at least a population of people around to help new people get through the rest of Eureka so that there's always enough people to actually run BA in the first place.
Sure, you can solo grind, as people in this thread suggest. Would you WANT to? Solo grind from 1-60? I'm pretty sure we all know what the answer is. Preferably, BA should be the only place to earn fragments. But it's such a small part of BA that releasing the fragments into the rest of Eureka isn't going to compromise the difficulty in any meaningful way (unless you somehow consider gearing to be a meaningful part of difficulty), and it has the benefit of helping to ensure the rest of Eureka doesn't straight up die.
The developers already allocated an incredible amount of resources into Eureka as a whole, cutting who knows how much other content in the meantime. What would be the point of all this effort if Eureka just immediately dies after ShB is out? We all already know what happened to Diadem, which somehow managed to die within its own expansion. -
06-19-2019, 07:13 AMLaylaTsarraYou do frag runs and prog runs to learn the content and upgrade the gear so that when bosses there do raid wides you don't lose 70 percent of your health because you don't have upgraded gear. Believe me I heal that content and can easily tell who has upgraded gear and who doesn't. Sorry I don't see the point of giving that away outside of the Arsenal because earning the fragments and upgrading the gear is part of learning the dungeon. Once new people reach 60 joining a discord will become the only way to continue with the Arsenal (as it is now even with current content) and I already for see them running content there on a reduced schedule but somewhat regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
One would still need to grind 1 to 60 to even be able to enter BA so having the fragments does nothing unless someone wants to upgrade their relic to Physeos and relic armor without doing BA to begin with. Earning relics there should be motivation enough without trying to nerf the Arsenal. It's not needed in my opinion to keep people there doing the content.
Yes they did and for many of us who did it and enjoy it we appreciate the effort put into this relic chase making it more than running old content for tomestones ad nauseum. When ShB hits that content will become a ghost town until people have progressed far enough into the new content to want to go back and relive some of the older content Eureka included. It will be interesting to see what relic nerfs they implement to try and make it relevant for new people.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
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06-19-2019, 07:54 AMMPK
Why not skip the entire grind all together and let us buy the relics directly
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06-20-2019, 05:53 AMJennah
My guess is that SE will do what a lot of us have already done - mentally reclassify them as "Eureka Weapons" and pretend there's not a Stormblood Relic at all, and therefore there need be no nerfs.
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06-20-2019, 06:08 AMdeadman1204
Issn't Eureka gonna just be dead?
You can't really solo it from start to finish, and once the new expac happens, no one is gonna be doing it. -
06-20-2019, 06:31 AMRaldoI do wonder about this... it could become a hot new way to get Poetics, assuming they switch to awarding that once Genesis tomes are no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadman1204
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06-20-2019, 07:01 AMSamSmoot
Tried Eureka once. Found it was extremely confusing, and a great place to die instantly. Never went back.