Trust Companions of 2.0 to 4.X

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"To avoid new players from leaving the game, they understand that it's obviously better for trusts to be available in all 2.0 dungeons."

https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_with_yoship/

So Trust System is planned for 2.0 to 4.X content MSQ Dungeons to help players level through and progress in 2.0 to 4.X MSQ.

Now the question is...

Who will be the Companions we unlock for the 2.0 to 4.X Contents Lore wise and will some be "side-quests" Unlocks?

Considering the lore relativeness of Trust Companions for X.X point of the story I suspect there maybe some Lore thought into who we may get or can get.

Hope for "Hoary Boulder" and "Coultenet" as Trust Companions.

and maybe Unukalkai for players who complete the Warring Triad Storyline.

We've had the Scions accompany us in solo instances before, but I think the Trust system is the first time we could pick and choose which roles we want them to fill, like the Command Squadron missions. I wonder if (in the remote possibility that they do update older content with Trusts) they'll change those.

Examples I can think of offhand are the Heavensward part where we rescue Raubahn, and also the Warring Triad questline where we revisit the ARF.

We probably won't be able to use Trusts for Primal trials, though. Including the three as part of the levelling ARR MSQ.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

We've had the Scions accompany us in solo instances before, but I think the Trust system is the first time we could pick and choose which roles we want them to fill, like the Command Squadron missions. I wonder if (in the remote possibility that they do update older content with Trusts) they'll change those.

Examples I can think of offhand are the Heavensward part where we rescue Raubahn, and also the Warring Triad questline where we revisit the ARF.

We probably won't be able to use Trusts for Primal trials, though. Including the three as part of the levelling ARR MSQ.

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Ya they said they will not make Trust work for anything except for Dungeons so neither Trials nor Raids. Those things got to be pure players.

As of 5.0 we are getting the bare bone version of it for only 5.0 MSQ but plans are in place to make it work for 2.0 to 4.X MSQ dungeons and other Dungeons outside of MSQ.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Ya they said they will not make Trust work for anything except for Dungeons so neither Trials nor Raids. Those things got to be pure players.

As of 5.0 we are getting the bare bone version of it for only 5.0 MSQ but plans are in place to make it work for 2.0 to 4.X MSQ dungeons and other Dungeons outside of MSQ.

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The normal modes of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda are considered dungeons. I've gotten them a lot in leveling roulette recently, and I think they're all 4-man.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The normal modes of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda are considered dungeons. I've gotten them a lot in leveling roulette recently, and I think they're all 4-man.

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You do get them in leveling roulette since they're 4 player content, but for the challenge log at least they don't count as a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The normal modes of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda are considered dungeons. I've gotten them a lot in leveling roulette recently, and I think they're all 4-man.

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While they do appear in Leveling Roulette and are 4-person instances, they are considered trials by the game, as they're included in the "Trials" slot in DF. Their inclusion in Leveling Roulette probably has to do with issues regarding the number of people - all other trials are 8-person content, and the roulette probably isn't designed to handle both 4 and 8 person content in one roulette.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

and I quote....

"To avoid new players from leaving the game, they understand that it's obviously better for trusts to be available in all 2.0 dungeons."

https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_with_yoship/

So Trust System is planned for 2.0 to 4.X content MSQ Dungeons to help players level through and progress in 2.0 to 4.X MSQ.

Now the question is...

Who will be the Companions we unlock for the 2.0 to 4.X Contents Lore wise and will some be "side-quests" Unlocks?

Considering the lore relativeness of Trust Companions for X.X point of the story I suspect there maybe some Lore thought into who we may get or can get.

Hope for "Hoary Boulder" and "Coultenet" as Trust Companions.

and maybe Unukalkai for players who complete the Warring Triad Storyline.

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Actually, while they say that they are considering adding it for 2.0 to 4.x, they haven't made a final decision.

I wonder if we could get Haurchefant, Ysayle, and Estinien at various points in Heavensward. Would probably be a fun incentive for people to do New Game +.

Arenvald gets my vote.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

I wonder if we could get Haurchefant, Ysayle, and Estinien at various points in Heavensward. Would probably be a fun incentive for people to do New Game +.

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I suspect we may get Estinien as a Trust companion in the future anyways since he been playing a important role in the storyline from behind the scenes.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

I wonder if we could get Haurchefant, Ysayle, and Estinien at various points in Heavensward. Would probably be a fun incentive for people to do New Game +.

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Ooh, that would be fantastic.

If they're tying trusts to what characters are available in the story at that point, it causes issues because our would-be trusts usually have a canonical reason to be elsewhere while we tackle the dungeon.

But Estinien and Ysayle (and Alphinaud) would absolutely work for at least Sohm Al and the Aery, as long as we can find a tank. Could make Estinien a tankier version of dragoon, or maybe Ysayle can transform into Shiva because there's so much ambient aether to draw on.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Ooh, that would be fantastic.

If they're tying trusts to what characters are available in the story at that point, it causes issues because our would-be trusts usually have a canonical reason to be elsewhere while we tackle the dungeon.

But Estinien and Ysayle (and Alphinaud) would absolutely work for at least Sohm Al and the Aery, as long as we can find a tank. Could make Estinien a tankier version of dragoon, or maybe Ysayle can transform into Shiva because there's so much ambient aether to draw on.

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I feel like someone should go through all 50 of the current Main Scenario required duties (I'm including the hard mode trials for Ifrit, Garuda and Titan in this number) and see who IS actually available to come along with us.

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Originally Posted by Seraph522

the roulette probably isn't designed to handle both 4 and 8 person content in one roulette.

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DR:Guildhests and DR:Mentor handle parties of (4 or 8) and (4, 8, or 24) just fine.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Ooh, that would be fantastic.

If they're tying trusts to what characters are available in the story at that point, it causes issues because our would-be trusts usually have a canonical reason to be elsewhere while we tackle the dungeon.

But Estinien and Ysayle (and Alphinaud) would absolutely work for at least Sohm Al and the Aery, as long as we can find a tank. Could make Estinien a tankier version of dragoon, or maybe Ysayle can transform into Shiva because there's so much ambient aether to draw on.

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I suspect the 2.0 to 4.X trusts maybe releated to Side-quests considering they already have a set story for those contents and reasons why they are not around. Probably going to be like FF11 Trusts where we have to find them and unlock them through new side-quests that appear once we reach X point in the MSQ or completed their personal Side-quests or region side story quests similar to how FF11 obtained a good amount of their Trusts.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

DR:Guildhests and DR:Mentor handle parties of (4 or 8) and (4, 8, or 24) just fine.

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Right, forgot about those; my bad. Not sure why they're in Leveling Roulette, then, other than they're different from other trials.

I'd personally like to be able to recruit job and class quest NPCs as trusts. Most of these NPCs get little love outside of the quests that directly involve them (Hilda and Estinien probably being the most notable exceptions, though some others have been used outside of class/job quests, if only a little)

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Arenvald gets my vote.

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Definitely Arenvald for our Tank Trust in 4.x content, while we're in Gyr Abania. If we're over in Othard, the picking gets harder.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Ooh, that would be fantastic.

If they're tying trusts to what characters are available in the story at that point, it causes issues because our would-be trusts usually have a canonical reason to be elsewhere while we tackle the dungeon.

But Estinien and Ysayle (and Alphinaud) would absolutely work for at least Sohm Al and the Aery, as long as we can find a tank. Could make Estinien a tankier version of dragoon, or maybe Ysayle can transform into Shiva because there's so much ambient aether to draw on.

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Sadly, no Alphinaud or Ysayle for the Aery.

In the quest "Ready to Fly", Estinien dissaudes Alphinaud from joining, and its a voiced cutscene, so difficult to rewrite, I would have thought. Also, Ysayle is moping over at Zenith at this juncture, so out of action as far as the plot goes. It's a lovely idea, to increase Trusts to include every 2.0-4.5 dungeon, but I can't see there always being readily available NPCs on which to draw, sadly. At the very least, it may be possible to retrofit those dungeons where, like you've already mentioned with Sohm Al, a gang of NPCs is on hand to jump in.

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Originally Posted by Mieck

Sadly, no Alphinaud or Ysayle for the Aery.

In the quest "Ready to Fly", Estinien dissaudes Alphinaud from joining, and its a voiced cutscene, so difficult to rewrite, I would have thought. Also, Ysayle is moping over at Zenith at this juncture, so out of action as far as the plot goes. It's a lovely idea, to increase Trusts to include every 2.0-4.5 dungeon, but I can't see there always being readily available NPCs on which to draw, sadly. At the very least, it may be possible to retrofit those dungeons where, like you've already mentioned with Sohm Al, a gang of NPCs is on hand to jump in.

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Really, Estinien probably can't be used for the Aery either. He's already there for other purposes.

I hope that one of the Trust Companions for 2.0 to 4.X is the 1.0 Companion.

the 1.0 Companion is the original Trust Companion for FF14 and it will be nice to bring that person back of course with first questions to answer so players can determine who that Companion looks like and what personality the 1.0 companion has.

Also, include dialogue in the Side-quest to obtain the 1.0 companion to represent if your character is a 1.0 era character (with their memory back if players complete 2.0 for slightly more change in dialogue) or 2.0 era character.

Would be interesting to have Crystal Braves. I think that might be possible with some late ARR dungeons.

Of course, what party couldn't use Hoary Boulder? You can never go wrong with Hoary.

If we get Class/Job characters as Trusts once it expands, I hope we get at least 1 for each Class Storyline and Job Storyline.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Would be interesting to have Crystal Braves. I think that might be possible with some late ARR dungeons.

Of course, what party couldn't use Hoary Boulder? You can never go wrong with Hoary.

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This is going to have to be a Post-3.0 recruitment though due to what happened to the Crystal Brave in the 2.X storyline.

I'll eat my hat if they aren't thinking first and foremost about Castrum Meridium and the Praetorium.
So ... Team Cid, I guess.

There's only one NPC trust I'd want to bring for Heavensward dungeons.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/.../cdf.jpg_large

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Originally Posted by Miyoyo

There's only one NPC trust I'd want to bring for Heavensward dungeons.

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Oh my goodness yes.

He's such a bizarre one-shot character and I feel sure he was intended for a cancelled Moogle Post: Heavensward Edition plotline...

Extra points if you get interactions between him and Estinien.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Oh my goodness yes.

He's such a bizarre one-shot character and I feel sure he was intended for a cancelled Moogle Post: Heavensward Edition plotline...

Extra points if you get interactions between him and Estinien.

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It will be interesting what his unique skills maybe since each trust companion have their own little special ability such as Minfilia has some Attack Holy Magic skills and Thancred still has some of his old Rogue talents to skip boss mechanics.

I expect a lot of Butt puns and a Butt Slam to replace his DRG jump attack.

Didn't they actually say they have no plans to go back and make Trusts work with older content because they'd have to manually create new AI to deal with every mechanic in every dungeon?

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Originally Posted by Starblessed

Didn't they actually say they have no plans to go back and make Trusts work with older content because they'd have to manually create new AI to deal with every mechanic in every dungeon?

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plans most likely changed since last time they said that as they did say they understand the need for it in 2.0 to 4.X contents to aid newer players to progress through the MSQ as the game gets older and introduce more content.

not all new players are willing to chug extra cash to skip all the way up to current content and not all new players will play Tank and Healers for the quick or instant queue time.

I only heard about that during all the interviews that came out after the most recent thing, so unless more VERY RECENT news came out. They probably won't be going back for that...

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

plans most likely changed since last time they said that as they did say they understand the need for it in 2.0 to 4.X contents to aid newer players to progress through the MSQ as the game gets older and introduce more content.

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Perhaps you need to read the context of the sentence you quoted - here is the entire section on trusts:

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• Trusts can be used in all of the "main story related instanced dungeons" in 5.0.
• There are no plans on allowing trusts to be available in other content. Even if they were to expand the trusts, they would be limited to instanced dungeons (note: which means they might make them available in instanced dungeons that aren't main story related in the future, but trusts won't be available in content such as raids and trials)
• They aren't thinking about allowing players to summon trusts in public areas. He said Y'shtola has her own adventures, so she can't be with you all the time.
• They still haven't decided if they want to expand trusts so they are available in dungeons on the source (previous areas).
• To avoid new players from leaving the game, they understand that it's obviously better for trusts to be available in all 2.0 dungeons.

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They understand that it would be better to have trusts available, but that is not the same thing as saying that they are doing it.

Basically they will ONLY be available for dungeons, currently MSQ ones in 5.0. They MIGHT revise this to all instance dungeons for 5.0+, and they MIGHT also make trusts for 2.0-4.0 dungeons. But both of those points are mights.