Intervention and Cover in Alliance Raids and BA

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06-12-2019, 01:10 PM
IntrovertAnt

Intervention and Cover in Alliance Raids and BA

Why can't I cover or use intervention on people outside of my party, but I can heal them with clemency?
06-12-2019, 02:57 PM
Inuk9

Also, we need a good QoL implementation for targeting alliance members for gamepad users. Do you know how obnoxious is to revive an alliance member in a PS4?
06-12-2019, 05:09 PM
Jeeqbit

Most actions only work on party members, which means not alliance members or normal players. The only exception off the top of my head is heals and raises.

The majority of content involves just your party. It's only a slight problem in alliance raids and open world content when you see someone at low health and want to help them with actions like Cover, but instead have to watch them die.
06-12-2019, 05:13 PM
Kurando

Well the tooltip does specifically state that Intervention and Cover require a "target party member" for it to function, while other actions like Clemency and Raise just say "restores target's HP" or "restores target to a weakened state". See the slight difference in the wording of the descriptions.
06-13-2019, 12:59 AM
Dhaid

Honestly id like them to update this to just 'friendly targets' or even 'allies' so that during duties with protecting npcs you can do a little extra to protect them. Would be fine with just 'player' since its really only annoying with alliance raids, and tanks would be able to actually use their offtank cooldowns during them.
06-13-2019, 01:21 AM
Grimmjow_Jaegerjaques

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

Also, we need a good QoL implementation for targeting alliance members for gamepad users. Do you know how obnoxious is to revive an alliance member in a PS4?

L1/LB + left or right on D-Pad
06-13-2019, 01:35 AM
Doozer

It would also be nice to be able to Shirk a tank in a different alliance. Since there's only one tank each, there's nothing you can do to help the MT with aggro without lowering your DPS or something. And I can't really tell them to "git gud" when I take aggro from them while in OT stance.
06-13-2019, 02:53 AM
Bright-Flower

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It would also be nice to be able to Shirk a tank in a different alliance. Since there's only one tank each, there's nothing you can do to help the MT with aggro without lowering your DPS or something. And I can't really tell them to "git gud" when I take aggro from them while in OT stance.

Came here to say this. ^
06-13-2019, 06:40 AM
reckless76

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It would also be nice to be able to Shirk a tank in a different alliance. Since there's only one tank each, there's nothing you can do to help the MT with aggro without lowering your DPS or something. And I can't really tell them to "git gud" when I take aggro from them while in OT stance.

This is especially bad for Paladins in the lvl 50 alliance raids. Where the only DPS combo is also the enmity combo. It's nearly impossible to not take aggro away from non-paladin MTs. I actually have to stop attacking once in a while. Looking forward to that issue hopefully going away in ShadowBringers.
06-13-2019, 09:51 PM
Vidu

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Well the tooltip does specifically state that Intervention and Cover require a "target party member" for it to function, while other actions like Clemency and Raise just say "restores target's HP" or "restores target to a weakened state". See the slight difference in the wording of the descriptions.

Just because the tooltip tells you that thats how the skills work it doesnt mean that its a good way for those skills to be working - just because I know that I cant use intervention on someone who isnt in my party it doesnt mean that it wont be incredible useful at times. (Little bit offtopic: the biggest offender to this in my opinion is actually the fairy-theter the scholar has - if "your" tank isnt MT there is no use for the theter since it only works on partymembers)
06-13-2019, 10:46 PM
MaraD_

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Originally Posted by reckless76

This is especially bad for Paladins in the lvl 50 alliance raids. Where the only DPS combo is also the enmity combo. It's nearly impossible to not take aggro away from non-paladin MTs. I actually have to stop attacking once in a while. Looking forward to that issue hopefully going away in ShadowBringers.

I remember a run where I was PLD, and the DRK was behind the group, so I pulled the boss with shield lob, and got to my RoH combo, when I see the DRK run into the fight, hit tank stance, and proceed to hit provoke.
It was a bit odd, since DRKs actually have a DPS combo at this level range, but there's not much I can do, other than shirk them. (I was in sword oath, since I only have a threat combo, and its a MSR boss.)
I shirk them, and within 1 combo, I have more threat than them again. (they werent using threat combos)

They yelled at me to get out of tank stance, which i wasnt in.
I tell them i wasnt in tank stance.
they say, stop using threat combos, and to use my DPS combo.
I tell them PLD doesnt have any until Lv54.

They proceed to get upset, and refuse to fight anything the rest of the dungeon. (they just AFK at every spot, but move again once we finish the fights)

I tried to vote kick them for intentionally AFKing, but the rest of the group refused (as usual).
Dont know why SE thought it was a good design to not update PLD to have at least goring blade by Lv50.
(side note, the DRK was Lv70, and his accessories were melded with crit and DH, just to give an idea how clueless he was. When he was in tank stance, he turned off darkside. dunno why he did that, since he had to turn it off manually. and refused to put it back up during that fight.)
06-13-2019, 11:02 PM
Kurando

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Originally Posted by Vidu

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Well OP's original question was asking why the mentioned actions acted differently and the tooltip has the answer, that's all really. Alright we could over analyze this and say what is the good or bad ways to use the actions in question, but I'm sure the devs considered this hence why they have such restrictions to begin with.
06-13-2019, 11:15 PM
Derio

I agree. I wish I could give a TBN to the main tank of the alliance as well as shirk them. That would be a great QoL adjustment that should have been brought up in a media question.
06-14-2019, 08:50 AM
Vidu

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Well OP's original question was asking why the mentioned actions acted differently and the tooltip has the answer, that's all really. Alright we could over analyze this and say what is the good or bad ways to use the actions in question, but I'm sure the devs considered this hence why they have such restrictions to begin with.

"Because the tooltip says so" isnt a good answer to the question "Why is it like this", though... The tooltip doesnt has the answer, the tooltip just tells you "you cant use this on anyone who isnt in your party". An answer would be an explantion to why you cant us it - technical-problem? Balance-issue? Forgotten about it? To much of a risk of this badly interacting with other aspects?
Those are potential answers - not "the tooltip says its like this, so that is why".
06-15-2019, 04:47 AM
IntrovertAnt

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Originally Posted by Vidu

"Because the tooltip says so" isnt a good answer to the question "Why is it like this", though... The tooltip doesnt has the answer, the tooltip just tells you "you cant use this on anyone who isnt in your party". An answer would be an explantion to why you cant us it - technical-problem? Balance-issue? Forgotten about it? To much of a risk of this badly interacting with other aspects?
Those are potential answers - not "the tooltip says its like this, so that is why".

Thank you for bringing this back on topic instead of keeping the tangent going.