GNB: Heart of Stone - Mitigation: 15% (+Brutal Shell 150 potency shield- in the GNB gameplay shown this equated to roughly 2.5% of the GNBs max HP) Duration: 7s Cost: None Recast: 25s Uptime: 28%
Tankbusters - If MT uses: Rampart - 32% mitigation +150 potency shield or ~2.5% GNB max HP Sentinel/Vengeance/Shadow Wall/Nebula - 40.5% mitigation +150 potency shield or ~2.5% GNB max HPPLD: Intervention - Mitigation: 10% (20% while under the effect of Rampart 25% while under the effect of Sentinel) Duration: 6s Cost: 50 Oath Gauge Recast: 10s (Oath generation limits this to 30s if using on cooldown) Uptime: 20%
Tankbusters - If MT uses: Rampart - 28% mitigation (36% while under the effect of Rampart 40% while under the effect of Sentinel) Sentinel/Vengeance/Shadow Wall/Nebula - 37% mitigation (44% while under the effect of Rampart 47.5% while under the effect of Sentinel)WAR: Nascent Flash - Mitigation: 10% + healing equal to 50% of our Bloodbath-like effect Duration: 30s Cost: None Recast: 25s Uptime: 100%
Tankbusters - If MT uses: Rampart - 28% mitigation Sentinel/Vengeance/Shadow Wall/Nebula - 37% mitigationDRK: The Blackest Night - Mitigation: 25% Targets Max HP Duration: 7s Cost: 3000 MP Recast: 15s Uptime: ??? Due to the MP costs this will only be used for tankbusters as the MP should be used for DPS if TBN wont break.
Tankbusters - If MT uses: Rampart - 20% mitigation +25% MT max HP Sentinel/Vengeance/Shadow Wall/Nebula - 30% mitigation +25% MT max HP
Analysis:
Gunbreaker has a middle of the road OT cooldown. Second only to DRK for tankbusters when compared to the other tanks. GNB has a +4% mitigation advantage over PLD and WAR when no additional resources are spent. PLD gains a +4% or +8% advantage when using Intervention when buffing its effectiveness with Rampart or Sentinel respectively. Heart of Stone is more than effective than PLDs Intervention when defending against fluff mitigation since it has the higher mitigation with 8% more uptime. Nascent Flash wins out in fluff mitigation due to 100% uptime and healing properties.
Paladin as an OT has the most flexibility when mitigating tankbusters. Unbuffed Intervention is the least effective compared to the other tanks. However, when buffed it becomes an extremely powerful tool. The cost is high, but if the PLDs own mitigation skills are unneeded while on cooldown, using them to enhance Intervention makes it one of the strongest OT skills when comparing raw effective mitigation. Intervention fluff mitigation is worse than both WAR and GNB due to its low uptime and effectiveness.
Warrior has the weakest OT cooldown when mitigating tankbusters. Nascent Flash offers the lowest effective mitigation when compared to the other tank's equivalents. Nascent Flash is the BEST OT tool for fluff mitigation. It has 100% uptime compared to PLDs 20% and GNBs 28%. As an OT, WAR offers permanent healing and mitigation to its MT.
Dark Knight has the best OT tool for tankbusters, the MP cost will be refunded as a Dark Arts and it doesn't loose effectiveness when stacking with the MT cooldowns. The Blackest Night is worst at fluff mitigation it has a low duration and high cost, it should only be used in this situation if it will break.
ALL SKILLS ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE - I was bored and felt like analyzing the tool tips we were given, so this should all be taken with a grain of salt.
Comparing OT support skills
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06-07-2019, 02:20 AMkashi11Comparing OT support skills
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06-07-2019, 02:41 AMRaldo
I don't know how closely I'd bother analyzing the new stuff. They've already stated that the potencies of stuff is still being balanced. I suspect that extends to mitigation, duration, recasts, etc.
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06-07-2019, 02:46 AMshao32
Nascent flash duration it's confirmed to being 6s, was a toolkit mistake.
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06-07-2019, 02:33 PMGalactimus
Depending on the fight Paladin can also pop Divine Veil -> Clemency the Main Tank
-Tops off the MT's hp, Clemency returns 50% of the heal to the PLD, which procs the Veil giving the Main Tank a shield.
Move inside the bosses hitbox and use Passage of Arms facing the Main Tank
-Can pop Passage of Arms and immediately start attacking the boss, Passage puts a 5-6 second buff on the Main Tank even if you moved around
-Great for Shared Tank Busters as well (20-30% Block on the PLD, 15% Mitigation for the Main Tank.) -
06-07-2019, 03:03 PMIzsha
Second on the nascent flash error. Its only 6 seconds. Not 100% uptime. You get 3 gcds at best of half of an unknown %healing and 10% mit. Confirmed in the SE job video via particle effects and the media tour videos (both visibly and most commented on the error in their vids)
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06-07-2019, 04:49 PMArianeEwah
As Shao already said, Nascent Flash has a 6s duration, that's an uptime of 24%.
In a few Media Tour videos, I've seen it healing the WAR for about 50% of dmg dealt. That means WAR can heal MT with a quarter of thier physical attacks.
and max. 2 AA, as WAR AA delay is higher than 3s. It might only one AA, plus 2 GCDs at worst. Healing is a little unrealable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izsha
On PLD mitigation... your uptime is wrong. Oath Gauge increases everytime an AA lands. GLD/PLD weapons have an AA delay of 2.24, each generating 5 Oath Gauge points. That means, every 22.4s you gain 50 Gauge - except on downtime. As long as PLD has 100% uptime on AAs, Intervention can have an uptime of 26.8%. But there will most likely be mechanics, PLD will need to disengage. So I would say Intervention uptime is about 25%.
Someone on this forum has determined that DRK will generate roughly 9k MP/min. If DRK prioritises TBN before Edge/Flood of Shadow (for Darkside) they can use TBN 3 times per minute. So uptime goes up to 35%, maybe higher or lower depending on player skill/usage of Blood weapon and Delirium. -
06-07-2019, 10:44 PMGreywolfamakir
OP is wrong.
So how good/bad is TBN depends on damage incoming.Quote:
Originally Posted by kashi11
You can't say "has the best OT tool for Tankbusters" when it depends on how big is that tankbuster.
If you have 120k HP, and you take 200k tankbuster,
-> 15% damage reduction = 30k damage reduction
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06-07-2019, 11:13 PMArianeEwahI am sorry to disappoint you, but actually YOU are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir
Your math might be techically right, but there is something fundamentally wrong. You die!
I could do your same math with a 300k or even 1mil tankbuster, and Intervention/Heart of Stone get waaay better than TBN... but at the end of the day, you still die! So it doesn't matter!
To survive a 200k tankbuster, you need Sentinel/Vengence etc. that reduces the tb damage to 140k damage.
TBN mitigates 30k, you survive with 10k HP.
HoS mitigates 21k, you survive with 1k HP...
Now tell me again, which one does a better job at mitigating?! -
06-07-2019, 11:53 PMZyneste
Not sure why Aurora wasn't included for GUN. Its a free OGCD heal of 1200 potency. That should heal about ~25% of the main tanks HP. 25% of the main tanks HP healed over 18 seconds, every minute isn't healer level, but its still on the OGCD and free.
If we are considering Nascent Flash's healing might as well consider it too. -
06-08-2019, 12:44 AMKaliseUhh... Literally the point they were making is that the higher the damage the better HoS gets...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArianeEwah
Anyway, in that scenario, with a 120k HP tank vs 200k Tankbuster and popping Sentinel/Vengeance
PLD = Lets say 20% block, 20% DR from passive, 30% DR from Sentinel/Vengeance
With TBN they go up to 150k HP, block 20% of the damage (Putting it down to 160k) then mitigate 44% of the rest from passive + Sentinel and so take 89,600 damage and thus are left with 60,400 HP
With HoS they block 20% of the damage (Putting it down to 160k) then mitigate 53% of the rest from passive + Sentinel + HoS and so take 76,160 damage and thus are left with 43,840 HP
WAR = 20% DR from passive, 20% DR from Raw Intuition, 30% DR from Vengeance
With TBN they go up to 150k HP and mitigate 56% of the damage and so take 86,600 damage and thus are left with 60,400 HP
With HoS they mitigate 62% of the damage and so take 76,160 damage and thus are left with 43,840 HP
TBN provides 16,560 more HP in this scenario, but in either case, both Tanks live on a decent amount of life. In fact, both survive quite fine even without the support skills being used, sitting at 30k life after the fact...
Active mitigation skills and passive damage reduction is pretty stronk... -
06-08-2019, 02:07 AMArianeEwahtbh I don't know what exactly you wanna tell me there. In my previous post I said the same - the higher the damage, the better HoS...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
But if damage taken is higher than your HP, it really does not matter! You can mitigate 500k points, if you still take more than 120k eHP dmg, you're dead.
And while I ofc know there is the passive from tank mastery, and multiple other CDs... TBN in comparison to all other "OT" CDs is effectively the strongest of them all. If you die with TBN applied, you wouldn't survive with any other CDs from your co-tank.
e.g. let's say MT has 120k HP, tankbuster will do 145k damage after every other mitigation except from OT has been calculated.
With TBN, MT survives with 5k HP - with HoS however MT will die with 123.250 dmg taken... 3250 dmg over their max HP pool.
That's to show just how strong TBN is. It is the best OT mitigation tool for tankbusters. And that's been told by other famous tank players (e.g. Xeno and Merri) in the last few days. -
06-08-2019, 08:42 AMGreywolfamakirIt sounds a bit contradictory.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArianeEwah
My maths are right...my post was right. I didn't say something wrong. -
06-08-2019, 06:30 PMArianeEwahYour post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir
...and the OP is right, so yours is wrong, period!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir
Your "mitigation math" has no value either. You have to look at the remaining HP pool of the tankbusters' target. In both of your cases, the target would end up dead, your math is irrelevant, and distorts the truth.
With TBN +25% shield, the target gets effective 20% mitigation - no other OT mitigation tool reaches this number without any additional sacrfices (e.g. Intervention + Rampart)