So, upon looking over the pre-release info on all the job changes, I found that the only one I was disappointed in was AST, more specifically the card system. The new system revolving around seals I feel is fine, however the card effects themselves lack any kind of diversity. I suspect that this is less because players only fish for balances and more because half of the cards are irrelevant in 5.0. TP is gone which makes Spire pointless, the many healer additions and changes make Ewer and Bole less relevant, and a minority players seem to know how to utilize skill speed, making Arrow very weak.
Anyway, getting right to the point, here's what I feel the card actions should be. I'm perfectly fine with the variation between Melee and Range dps, however the card effects could be as thus:
- Balance and Bole give a flat dps increase.
- Spear and Spire increase crit rate.
- Arrow and Ewer increase direct hit rate.
I feel that doing this retains a bit of the diversity AST formerly had with its cards while still giving a noticeable increase in damage, even if it isn't just a flat increase. Instead, it becomes a matter of deciding which classes make better use of which cards. Using Melee dps as an example, one could prioritize Spear cards to MNKs as their gameplay revolves around it or give it to SAMs for big crit damage.
I will admit that, as 5.0 has yet to be released, I might be jumping the gun on how the card system works. For all I know, fishing for different seals and for melee vs rng cards may make the card system complicated enough with this suggestion just adding more on top of it. If not, maybe this change could be implemented in later patches.
That said, as stated in the live letter, since the focus of healers for 5.0 is to make them more pronounced via their healing methods, so maybe making the cards a side gimmick was the intent? Either way, I just wanted to throw my opinion out there and hope it gets noticed.
Possible Suggestions for AST card effects
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05-30-2019, 11:20 PMOxdarockPossible Suggestions for AST card effects
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05-31-2019, 07:28 AMOxdarock
Also, something I didn't realize when I made the first post is that, regarding the DPS increase of Divination, I feel like the dps buffs should be different based on how difficult it is to get certain seals. I won't say what percentage each combination is supposed to have, but the amount of damage should be as such:
2 different seals=lowest increase
3 different seals=middle increase
No different seals =highest increase
It just seems like the appropriate combination/reward given the difficulty scaling. The percentages of getting each combo in three draws looks something like this (I got these numbers by multiplying the percentages of the second and third draw. I believe it's still relevant for subsequent draws as well):
2 different seals: 66% chance
3 different seals: 22% chance
no different seals: 11% chance
Like I mentioned, I'm not sure if it goes against the lore or what. I will say however, that if my suggestion for the individual card effects doesn't work, then this could be an alternative. It could be something like:
2 different seals: DH buff
3 different seals: Crit Buff
no different seals: Flat dmg buff
It could also be:
2 different seals: DH buff
3 different seals: DH and crit buff
no different seals: DH, crit, and flat dmg buff.
I'm honestly more in favor of the latter suggestion considering "Divination" is a 3 minute cooldown and the effort that would go into the seal combinations. Either is fine so long as the end result rewards the player for working to get a specific seal combination. -
05-31-2019, 08:13 AMHereon
These changes would actually make for such a more engaging gameplay... Its quite a shame actually, with the new seal mechanics they found a nice solution against balance fishing, since other cards would have also been desireable. but they went one step further and instead of solving the problem, they ripped it out by the roots, destroying anything near it in the process. i know thats a bit overexaggerated but thats how i feel about it.
Back to your sugestion. It might be a tad to powerfull to give 3 buffs during a no different seal but then again, it would raise the skill ceiling and they could easily number tweak it. -
05-31-2019, 08:27 AMRahspdoy
I say combine the new 'sign' mechanic, with the old cards.
Only instead of the now defunct Spire, replace it with a card that refreshes the durration of a effect already on a party member. Keeping the 'spirit' of the card being one of renewal of energy. -
05-31-2019, 08:36 AMOxdarockYeah. When I saw the card effects, my love for AST took a bit of a dive. Still think their method of healing is cool though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hereon
The more I think about tweaking Divination, the more engaging I feel it would be. Not to mention that it would be similar to how "Earthly Star" works with it's timer in that, even if you don't get the best combination, you still get something. Giving the move a flat dmg buff with the seals combos affecting the duration of the buff would also be a viable option, so that it goes like:
2 different seals: lowest duration (Possibly 10-15 secs at minimum)
3 different seals: longer duration (Possibly 15-25 secs)
no different seals: longest duration (Possibly 20-30 seconds)
As you can see, the lowest timers would make it a flat dmg version of of a DRG's battle litany. At the highest timers (specifically the 3rd combo), it then becomes the same as a spread balance that you can also stack card effects on. Honestly might be the best option as even in the worst case scenario, it's still something everyone can plan around similar to NIN's TA. -
05-31-2019, 08:44 AMKabooa
...No haste buff, huh?
Petition not signed. -
05-31-2019, 08:49 AMCeasaria
If I may, I will repost my thought here :
If we don't get back the ancient system, here my changes :
Royal Road and Spread removed, no changes.
Cards
Balance : 5% damage, grants 1 solar seal
Bole : 10% damage reduction, grants 1 solar seal
Arrow : 5% attack speed, grants 1 lunar seal
Ewer : 30 potency mana regen, grants 1 lunar seal
Spear : 5% critical rate, grants 1 celestial seal
Spire : 10% to all healing actions used, grants 1 celestial seal
Lord of Crown and Lady of Crown keep the same effect granted in Stormblood.
Divination
Activable at least with one seal.
You can cumulate 3 seals max of each type.
1 solar seal : 3% damage
2 solar seals : 6% damage
3 solar seals : 9% damage
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1 lunar seal : 3% attack speed
2 lunar seals : 6% attack speed
3 lunar seals : 9% attack speed
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1 celestial seal : 3% critical hit
2 celestial seals : 6% critical hit
3 celestial seals : 9% critical hit
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When you activate Divination :
- If you have 1 solar + 2 lunar, the team will get 3% damage + 6% attack speed.
- If you have 2 solar + 2 celestial, the team will get 6% damage + 6% critical hit.
- If you have 3 solar + 1 celestial + 1 lunar, the team will get 9% damage + 3% critical hit + 3% attack speed.
- Etc.
So, the best case would be within 10 draws in 180 sec, to have 9 seals = 3 solar seals + 3 lunar seals + 3 celestial seals which would give 9% damage + 9% attack speed + 9% critical hit to all the team.
It would be far more interesting and rewarding playing this and dealing with the rng again than what they are trying to give us for ShB. -
05-31-2019, 08:58 AMRahspdoyThis gets my vote....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceasaria
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05-31-2019, 09:00 AMguardinWe heard your suggestions but most of the AST players are pretty happy with the changes and are excited to get their hands on it. Heck a lot of players are talking about going over to AST because its more fun to play now. I also hopes my opinion gets noticedQuote:
Originally Posted by Oxdarock
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05-31-2019, 09:19 AMSebazyCould I have a link to this? I'm always interested in new PoVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by guardin
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05-31-2019, 10:12 AMRahspdoyGot a link to any of them? I scrolled through 6 pages of posts on this particular section of the forum and didnt find a single one stating that someone was 'happy' with the changes to Astro.Quote:
Originally Posted by guardin
There were a few threads where folk were happy that the DPS was removed so they could focus on healing without fear of a group fussing at them for not dps'ing between heals, but i didnt see a single thread started by anyone saying they loved the new Astro changes.
There's been a few posts by people 'in' threads started by people unhappy with them stating that they are happy with the changes, and there have been a few back and forth discussions 'within' those threads, but i cant find a thread 'started' by anyone who's "for" the changes to astro's card-deck game mechanic. -
05-31-2019, 11:05 AMDyvid
You know, why not just change the cards to buff main stats; VIT, STR, DEX, INT, & MND. Then use Ewer to replenish MP. You can keep Seal of Arcana the same.
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05-31-2019, 05:00 PMOxdarockSo, looking at this, the immediate issue is that there's so much text, I can't imagine how long the tooltip would be for this, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceasaria
The next issue comes in the from the seal rewards in that it essentially goes back to players constantly fishing for Balance or Spear, which is something SE wanted to move away from.
As I've said before, all the new tank CDs and healing moves make Bole and Ewer less relevant than before. Spire isn't something you want to give to a single player even as a healing buff and, again, most people don't know how to utilize skill speed, making both the Arrow and the speed lunar seal buffs almost entirely undesirable. I also doubt that you'd even see players shoot for three of each buff as it'd require all 9 draws you have before using Divination (including Sleeve Draws and Re-Draws) and leaves no room to use Minor Arcana.
I do however like the idea of seals determining the overall buff, so long as you replace attack speed with direct hit rate and the seals cap at 3 like they do now. In order to prevent fishing for specific cards however, it'd have to inversely pair up with the duration effects I previously mentioned. So basically, while seal effects increase in potency for every seal you have when Divination is used, the durations would look like this:
No different cards: 10 secs
2 different cards: 15 secs
3 different cards: 20 secs
Still gives a decent amount to think about depending on the party comp or RNG imo. -
05-31-2019, 05:10 PMOxdarock
One thing that I was hesitant to include is in regards to my first suggestion of having the solar, lunar, and celestial seal cards giving dmg, crit, and dh buffs. I figured that keeping Minor Arcana's effects as is with these cards would keep things simple, but it could be possible to have cards that differentiate what effects do what. Basically, it could be something like this:
Minor Arcana on Balance= Lord of the Sun (dmg buff for melee)
Minor Arcana on Bole= Lady of the Sun (dmg buff for rng)
Minor Arcana on Spear = Lord of the Heavens (crit buff for melee)
Minor Arcana on Spire = Lady of the Heavesn (crit buff for rng)
Minor Arcana on Arrow = Lord of the Moon (dh buff for melee)
Minor Arcana on Ewer = Lady of the Moon (dh buff for rng)
Now I feel like these difference can be indicated by a simple color change to the move itself, however I'm not sure if it should have new illustrations for each card for the purpose of aesthetics.