<Dev> FIX MCH's ROBOT!!!!!!

Hopefully that got their attentions. So from the action trailer it took the robot 6 whole second from when it was summoned to when it first hit the target. The is very very long time. Is there a way to spawn him closer to the target or have a placement marker? Also speeding up the animation will help.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Hopefully that got their attentions. So from the action trailer it took the robot 6 whole second from when it was summoned to when it first hit the target. The is very very long time. Is there a way to spawn him closer to the target or have a placement marker? Also speeding up the animation will help.

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I'd like to see a bit more reactiveness, too, but I'd rather not lose the dramatic entry, either, so long as the duration doesn't start ticking down until he truly starts combat...

It's not slowing down your personal rotation. I don't see the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

It's not slowing down your personal rotation. I don't see the problem here.

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Every sec the robot isn't causing damage is a dps loss. Even Demi Bahamut will cast Wyrmwave while doing his Summon animation.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Every sec the robot isn't causing damage is a dps loss. Even Demi Bahamut will cast Wyrmwave while doing his Summon animation.

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Robot no longer has dramatic entrance.
Robot duration has been reduced to 18 seconds.

isn't this a bit premature? Lets wait until we actually have it to play with to see whether the delay is normal or if it is just because they were showcasing.

Animation vs first Strike

Just trying to get ahead of the curve while they are still adjusting things. Most likely it's something they didn't consider yet. The animation is cool and if they adjust the damage of the initial strike to account for the 6s it's not attacking, four or five hits by my count, then that would work too. DRK also seems to have a long intro vs dps start. It's just better to get it fixed before launch then after.

Footnote: The video shows him double punch at the 11s mark and does roughly four to five attacks to the 5s mark. Maybe it's attack every 1.5s like Demi-Bahamut?

I mean SMN's Bahamut has a dramatic entrance but you can start your burst as soon as it appears, so could be MCH is similar but they wanted us to see the mecha's full arrival/departure animations just to look cool.

I think it was a UI bug and the duration is actually 15 secs. But 5 secs to come out is still pretty huge. Bahamut comes out within a sec or 2 and is already auto attacking from ranged.

The bot gives me Ifirit vibes during those times where mobs are moving or target swapping and how terrible he is at that because he is melee.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Just trying to get ahead of the curve while they are still adjusting things. Most likely it's something they didn't consider yet. The animation is cool and if they adjust the damage of the initial strike to account for the 6s it's not attacking, four or five hits by my count, then that would work too. DRK also seems to have a long intro vs dps start. It's just better to get it fixed before launch then after.

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And you know they haven't done this already?

Seriously, we only know the robot exists and you are already complaining about damage loss? At least wait until 29th, damn...

To be fair I doubt that's an oversight, they probably made the timer as long as it is with the dramatic entrance in mind. Same for the DRK. The only thing that would change if they had to address this would be that instead of having a countdown of 20 seconds when the robot appears, the countdown would instead start when the robot start moving but would last only 15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Sigiria

To be fair I doubt that's an oversight, they probably made the timer as long as it is with the dramatic entrance in mind. Same for the DRK. The only thing that would change if they had to address this would be that instead of having a countdown of 20 seconds when the robot appears, the countdown would instead start when the robot start moving but would last only 15 seconds.

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Not to mention that using that delay and the timer to your full advantage actually makes the burst window easier to manage, not harder. The less you have to cram in the even tighter Wildfire the better.

let see how it goes first. this is job trailer, so maybe they cut the robot timer short. and we still dont know how frequent we can call our robot anyway.

or you never know maybe the robot has 500++ potency for each punch with the last bunker buster attack for 800++ potency ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah it is kind of odd it ticks down and you only have like 10secs with the bot.
It may have just been a delay on video but hopefully is not the actual case and we shall see.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Every sec the robot isn't causing damage is a dps loss. Even Demi Bahamut will cast Wyrmwave while doing his Summon animation.

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But what if they've already calculated that into how much damage it does overall?

They likely have. It’d pretty much a 15 second cooldown otherwise. I like the flavor of the summoning

You would sacrifice your swagger for substance?

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Originally Posted by Kanitezz

You would sacrifice your swagger for substance?

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It's like they don't even play Machinist at all.

Rather have the flashiness and longer duration than shorter duration but he just kinda, appears
You underestimate how important presentation is, wow is horrible at this with most classes having boring animations, ff14 does this very, very well.

There is also the possibility that they intentionally didn't have it engage once it was summoned so they could show it's model off more. I highly doubt we should be asking for fixes when none of these changes are even live yet.

Well I suppose we can wait till 5.0 launches then ask for fixes after that fact.... Better to procrastinate than be proactive.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Well I suppose we can wait till 5.0 launches then ask for fixes after that fact.... Better to procrastinate than be proactive.

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seriously? Yes, the sky is falling, lets cry wolf when you have one abilities showcase video to base an entire argument on. Having nothing more than a basic understanding of how the actual mechanic works, or how fights are designed around it, or really having any information other than what was presented to you to demand fixes. Cause hasty decisions on pure baseless speculation is better to make judgements with than actual experience and facts.

At this point until I have my hands on it.. i'm not going to whine about "muh potential deeps" because in reality. Being someone who has played machinist since heavensward. i'm more thrilled at the overhaul than just how much damage i can do and what a small delay in an animation is going to do.. numbers mean very little if the job isn't enjoyable and right now this dev team did a tremendous job from the looks of the job action trailer of making this job enjoyable again. The last thing any machinist should do is run to the forums to complain about an animation because "muh deeps".

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There is also the possibility that they intentionally didn't have it engage once it was summoned so they could show it's model off more.

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this, probably something like that. once you summon it maybe you can just immediately order it to attack so the robot will skip the introduction and just zoom in to the enemy. the video is there to show the glorious robot afterall, not the performance.

its kinda like weaving our skill, our previous skill animation will just skip halfway and proceed to the new animation.

Pretty sure the animation time when Bob and Fray aren't attacking is baked into the overall DPS and duration. I would just look at those durations as 15s and 18s respectively. If the devs do change the timers so they don't start ticking down until the add attacks, those durations will be decreased. Seriously peeps, MCH and DRK pretty much get overhauled and look fantastic. You're nitpicking two really awesome additions to the game. As others have stated, presentation brings a lot of flavor to combat and an mmo.

If a SMN summons Bahamut and then stands there for a few seconds to let the animation play out, Bahamut will appear to have the same "delay". Note the MCH hits what is almost certainly an oGCD to call the robot and then waits a few seconds before throwing a Wildfire on the dummy. The robot doesn't attack 'til the Wildfire is thrown, exactly like Bahamut or current MCH turrets do.

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Originally Posted by Selova

There is also the possibility that they intentionally didn't have it engage once it was summoned so they could show it's model off more. I highly doubt we should be asking for fixes when none of these changes are even live yet.

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It wouldn't be the first time the job trailers have shown off the full skill while in actual gameplay you can attack before the animation is finished thus also stopping the animation. Ninja's Dream Within a Dream comes to mind in paticular for myself.

I also agree that even if the robot (and Fray) are animation locked it's almost certain that the timer is accounting for that and removing the animation would also result in them lowering the timer to match.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Animation vs first Strike


Footnote: The video shows him double punch at the 11s mark and does roughly four to five attacks to the 5s mark. Maybe it's attack every 1.5s like Demi-Bahamut?

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well the 1.5s is pure theory u have to time that yourself and I bet most of the smn don't get 11-12 wvs everytime they use Bahamut... just saying.. : /

I agree with them just delaying the attacks until the animation is finished. While I have not gotten SMN that high yet to mess with Bahamut it does seem the robot will begin attacking the moment a target is designated as a threat by the MCH attacking.

some youtuber has post more indepth about our robot.

- it use battery gauge for the robot (the blue bar)
- if deploy at 100% it will stay for 20 seconds max BUT, it only start attacking the enemy around 15s timer left thanks to "robot online" animation startup
- if deploy below 100%, the duration will also go down (18s at 80% bar)
- thankfully it has no cooldown, so once the robot is gone, you just need to refill your gauge to 100 and deploy it again
- the gauge fill by doing 123 combo and other skill
- the robot will rush to the target for it opening attack (300 potency), then start pummeling the enemy (150 potency for each punch with 1.5s cooldown instead of our usual 3s) and the final attack bunker buster when the timer run out (800 potency) you can trigger the bunker buster early but it will dismiss the robot after that
- the potency for the bunker buster increase when you deploy it at 100% gauge bar
- you will not, i repeat, WILL NOT summon your robot when you are below level 80. below level 80 you will summon your usual turret.
- the rook auto turret will behave same as our current now, auto attack and the overdrive attack for 800 potency

Just watch this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljBdZy0S7Sg