New CNJ with questions

My wife and I are making our way through the main questline and are wondering, do we need to do our individual class quests? I understand that there is no longer a need to level up two jobs to combine into a WHM, but should I still keep doing CNJ quests? What are the reasons?

She is an Archer, with same question.

Thanks!

Hi :) Yes, you do need to do your class quests to unlock WHM (or BRD in your wife's case). The class quests give gear, sometimes skills, and exp, so try to do them when you can :)

Also something important to note with your class quests -- the characters and stories are continued each expansion anyways, so if it's a job you've come to enjoy, it's best to keep up on them anyway. And in addition, the level 70 class gear pack you get at the end of your 60-70 story can be upgraded several times to remain relevant as you delve deeper into content.

Ah, well in that case we'll keep at them. Thanks guys. Appreciate any additional tips you have for this brand spanking new healer (which I'm enjoying quite a bit, btw).

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Originally Posted by Wanderlust

Ah, well in that case we'll keep at them. Thanks guys. Appreciate any additional tips you have for this brand spanking new healer (which I'm enjoying quite a bit, btw).

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While we could write endless tips and tricks... the most relevant starting out, I think, is keep your gear up to date. Especially your weapon.

Brayflox will punish a tank or healer that have been too neglectful of their gear pretty hard, and it only gets worse from there. Much further in, The Vault is another important milestone, and really any expansion pack's dungeon past the midpoint (55+, 65+, soon to be 75+). Make sure you're geared* going into these, and hope your tank is too.

*Wearing tomestone gear (the level 50/60/70 stuff) is undergeared at this point.

Thanks, we'll keep up the gear. In other MMOs we generally didn't worry about gearing up while leveling, it just came and was quickly obsoleted by ongoing drops. We notice a lack of drops in this game, and sometimes long gaps between quest gear.

How do you recommend we gear up while leveling? Rely on quest gear? Buy from the MB? Vendors?

Thanks again

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Originally Posted by Wanderlust

Thanks, we'll keep up the gear. In other MMOs we generally didn't worry about gearing up while leveling, it just came and was quickly obsoleted by ongoing drops. We notice a lack of drops in this game, and sometimes long gaps between quest gear.

How do you recommend we gear up while leveling? Rely on quest gear? Buy from the MB? Vendors?

Thanks again

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Generally, it's either quested, dungeon dropped from continuously queuing up for the same dungeon till you get a worthy piece, or in the case of 50/60/70, Tomestones earned from dungeons are always an option. Another option that works really well, and might be a bit easier to manage since you're both playing together, is taking relevant gathering/crafting choices early on. As a Conj, Weaver and Carpenter are both good ones for you and for an Archer Leatherworker/Carpenter or Leatherworker/Goldsmith to prevent overlap would work. One or both of you would need to keep Mining and Botany apace with your crafting levels to make this one work, though. Splitting the work never hurts.

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Originally Posted by Wanderlust

Thanks, we'll keep up the gear. In other MMOs we generally didn't worry about gearing up while leveling, it just came and was quickly obsoleted by ongoing drops. We notice a lack of drops in this game, and sometimes long gaps between quest gear.

How do you recommend we gear up while leveling? Rely on quest gear? Buy from the MB? Vendors?

Thanks again

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Up to level 50, you can use vendor gear to top up your stuff if it's getting a bit dated and you haven't gotten much from dungeons. (Though, Accessories from the vendor stop at like level 30 or something silly... Meaning the only place to get upgrades is the Marketboard and the occasional quest...)

After level 50, the MSQ's will generally let you get a full set of HQ gear every few levels, with maybe a handful of pieces being from Sidequests. This, in addition to the occasional drop from dungeons should keep you up to date.

Gearing tends to be a larger concern when leveling jobs after your first, since you won't be able to get the free handouts from the MSQ for them - Which is something to keep in mind if you plan on doing such a thing. Though this can be alleviated by holding onto your gear for alternate jobs in the role (I.e. As a Conjurer, most of your gear will also be usable by Scholar and Astrologian, while an Archer will share gear with Machinist and accessories will also be shared with Ninja). Outside of that, your sources are Vendors, Marketboards and Dungeons.

Also, when you get Level 50, do the Main Scenario Roulette (once per day) once you've unlocked it.

You get 300 Tomestones of Poetics, and it only takes about 2,200 tomestones for a full set of Level 50 gear (sans weapon, which you can buy in Ishgard or the Market Board) which will last you through the first two dungeons.

Alternatively, or maybe in addition to that, all Heavensward and Stormblood Leveling Dungeons (51-59 and 61-69) are guaranteed to drop 1 piece of gear that goes straight to your inventory (nobody can roll on it, you automatically receive it). So, what you can do, is keep running, say, Dusk Vigil until you fill your entire equipment screen with that gear (though that's kinda overkill). You could also build up 2,000 Tomestones and then buy Level 60 gear in Idyllshire when you get there, that way the moment you ding Level 60, you'll have an almost-full suit of 260 gear from that vendor which will give you a nice leg up for when you are doing the Level 60 cap dungeons and fights.

So if you end up in The Vault and you're not geared well enough, go back to Sohm Al and run that a few times to get gear. It will never give you duplicates, and you might have other gear drop that you can roll Need on as well.

EDIT: Also, since you're a healer, do the Trials Roulette once per day too -- oftentimes you'll bump into Newbies and anytime that happens, that's another 75-100 Tomestones on top of the 15-20 the Trial would normally give, and you can also get 50-60 tomestones out of Level 50/60 Dungeon queue.

EDIT2: You could also level up to Level 50 in Palace of the Dead (in Quarrymill) to Level 50 and get an FC person to drive you up to Mor Dhona with a passenger mount and you can buy Level 50 Tomestone Gear to skip the whole gearing up thing altogether. Suppose you could also maybe do the same thing with Idyllshire once you get access to Ishgard; have someone fly you to Idyllshire and buy the Lv60 gear there, and then level up to Level 60 in PotD. That way you'll be Item Level Sync'd in pretty much every dungeon and trial you run until almost the end of Heavensward.

"Also, when you get Level 50, do the Main Scenario Roulette (once per day) once you've unlocked it."

That's a sure fire way to get someone to quit the game due to burnout.

Usually the latest dungeons available of the previous level cap will give a bunch of poetics. For example Baelsars wall and Sohm Al Hard give 100 poetics past level 60, plus smaller amounts for the individual bosses, and potentionally newbie bonus.
So things like Keeper of the Lake should give a fair amount at level 60 too.

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Originally Posted by Kuurei

Also something important to note with your class quests -- the characters and stories are continued each expansion anyways, so if it's a job you've come to enjoy, it's best to keep up on them anyway. And in addition, the level 70 class gear pack you get at the end of your 60-70 story can be upgraded several times to remain relevant as you delve deeper into content.

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Wait, you can augment the class gear? How?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

"Also, when you get Level 50, do the Main Scenario Roulette (once per day) once you've unlocked it."

That's a sure fire way to get someone to quit the game due to burnout.

Usually the latest dungeons available of the previous level cap will give a bunch of poetics. For example Baelsars wall and Sohm Al Hard give 100 poetics past level 60, plus smaller amounts for the individual bosses, and potentionally newbie bonus.
So things like Keeper of the Lake should give a fair amount at level 60 too.

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Yeah, I already mentioned the 50/60 dungeons, and perhaps not every day on those Main Scenario dungeons, but they do give 300 tomes for a single run. Maybe a couple times a week or something, that's an easy 600 tomes along with the ~150 daily from the 50/60 dungeons you'd have a full suit of gear in one week. I only mentioned the "once a day" just to make sure to specify that you only get the reward once in a day.

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Originally Posted by Foxkid

Wait, you can augment the class gear? How?

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Level 70 artifact gear can be upgraded through Eureka, although it's probably better to go for tomestones gear as it's easier to obtain and takes less time, plus it's not specifically job restricted so there's that as well.

It's my understanding that roulettes put you into a random dungeon from among the ones you've already unlocked. But that includes the low level dungeons, like Shastasa, right? I get that we are level synced for the dungeon run, but what about the gear that drops, is it synced up to our actual levels or do they drop dungeon-level gear?

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It's my understanding that roulettes put you into a random dungeon from among the ones you've already unlocked. But that includes the low level dungeons, like Shastasa, right? I get that we are level synced for the dungeon run, but what about the gear that drops, is it synced up to our actual levels or do they drop dungeon-level gear?

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Gear that drops in dungeons is at the level that the dungeon is.

Meaning that if you Roulette into a low level dungeon, you'll get low level items drop.

That said, outside the Daily bonus on Roulettes (Which is only attainable once per day), you get better experience from queueing up for the highest level dungeon(s) that you have unlocked and thus will be able to get level appropriate loot.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

"Also, when you get Level 50, do the Main Scenario Roulette (once per day) once you've unlocked it."

That's a sure fire way to get someone to quit the game due to burnout.

Usually the latest dungeons available of the previous level cap will give a bunch of poetics. For example Baelsars wall and Sohm Al Hard give 100 poetics past level 60, plus smaller amounts for the individual bosses, and potentionally newbie bonus.
So things like Keeper of the Lake should give a fair amount at level 60 too.

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The MSQ Roulette dungeon may or may not cause burnout, but it is a decent alternative for Poetic tomes and XP. But trying other avenues to gain exp and gear wouldn't hurt either.

Keeper of the Lake, Baelsars Wall, and Sohm Al (Hard) all give 100 poetic tomes total if one beats all 3 bosses. The additional amounts only come from newbie completion bonus or roulette bonus.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Gear that drops in dungeons is at the level that the dungeon is.

Meaning that if you Roulette into a low level dungeon, you'll get low level items drop.

That said, outside the Daily bonus on Roulettes (Which is only attainable once per day), you get better experience from queueing up for the highest level dungeon(s) that you have unlocked and thus will be able to get level appropriate loot.

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I used to think this too, but this is actually false.

The XP you get from the End-of-Dungeon clear is compensated when your level is higher than the level of the dungeon. You get a bonus % applied to your reward so that if you're Level 69 and end up with Sastasha from your Leveling Roulette, you will get very close to the XP you will get out of running Castrum Abania. You just won't get any useful loot.

Also, specific Qing is much slower than Qing for Leveling, but you only get the Leveling bonus once per day.

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Originally Posted by Foxkid

Wait, you can augment the class gear? How?

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Level 60 job/class gear can be upgraded through tomestones and tokens (24-man raid) in Idyllshire by trading for/buying Illuminati stuff and have Seika repair it. Level 70 "Antiquated gear" can be upgraded in Eureka. The level 70 tomestone vendor gear can get augmented by trading coins from the Return to Ivalice 24-man raids for upgrade material in Rhalgr's Reach. See here for details: https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/w..._70_Gear_Guide

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Originally Posted by Maeka

I used to think this too, but this is actually false.

The XP you get from the End-of-Dungeon clear is compensated when your level is higher than the level of the dungeon. You get a bonus % applied to your reward so that if you're Level 69 and end up with Sastasha from your Leveling Roulette, you will get very close to the XP you will get out of running Castrum Abania. You just won't get any useful loot.

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As someone who recently leveled up every single job I can confirm that the extra "Bonus" you get at the end of the dungeon is far, far less than what you will get from doing a similar level dungeon. Especially if you factor in experience boosts which only affect kills (Thus benefits equal level dungeons more than Roulette bonuses)

It was to the point where I'd be getting like 50-60% of a level from say Castrum Abania at level 69, but in a roulette for Sastasha I'd be getting like 5% of a level or some other pathetically negligible amount (Outside of the daily roulette bonus which, unless getting unlucky and getting Bowl of Embers, would give about 70-80% of a level)

As far as specific queueing times go... I never noticed any difference. Including while being DPS.

Especially since you'd just end up getting all the people doing Roulettes being matched with you.

So you admit that Sastasha + Bonus is 70-80% of a level, but Specific Abania is only 50-60% per level?

That was the entire point of my post. You get more out of doing the daily roulette bonus than you do specific Qing the highest level dungeon you can.

And the queues are faster because if you Q for Leveling, you get put into a queue with everybody Level 16+. If you Q for Castrum Abania, you can ONLY get Level 69-70 players which automatically removes the <Lv69 players making the pool much smaller.

But if you're a tank, you won't notice this becuase it's near instant no matter what you Q for... healer... I've seen 5 minute waits before now and then. DPS? Specific Qing is 20min, Leveling Roulette is 10-15.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

That was the entire point of my post. You get more out of doing the daily roulette bonus than you do specific Qing the highest level dungeon you can.

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Which I mentioned.

But alas, daily bonus is only once.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

But if you're a tank, you won't notice this becuase it's near instant no matter what you Q for... healer... I've seen 5 minute waits before now and then. DPS? Specific Qing is 20min, Leveling Roulette is 10-15.

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Meanwhile...

In my experience, I have not noticed any difference between specific queueing and roulette queue times.

This is even as a DPS queuing for Castrum Abania.

There was no difference in my queue times for Roulettes vs specific queues. It was always 15-20 minutes.

This is because, while yes, you get a larger pool of players to group with for Roulettes, because it can be anyone from level 16 to your current level, this also means that you're competing with more people for spots in a party.

This is the same thing as why the Datacentre splits only had very minor effects on queue times despite significantly dropping the playerbase in your queues (With the only major effects being for things like Alliance Raids)

Leveling roulette is potentially faster because it can drop you into any duty, rather than waiting to gather three people who are eligible for the specific level you're queuing for. Especially as you get closer to level cap and less eligible people are needing to level their character.

Leveling roulette is the efficient choice ONCE per day. After that, if you want to grind leveling dungeons, queue directly for your highest-level option.