Any proof of penalties issued as a result of the new ToS?

Feb 12

It's been over two months. If the rules were as draconian as some have said, there should be some examples.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Don't you get banned from the forums if you get banned from the game as well?

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Penalties can include warnings and temp bans

You sound like the guy who said "See nothing happened!" the very next day net neutrality was appealed. And we all know how that ended.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

Feb 12

It's been over two months. If the rules were as draconian as some have said, there should be some examples.

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You will never see an example here on the forum because bans are like the fightclub. No one talks about them which is good for SE because otherwhise it would come out for what ridiculous reasons people get banned here while other people can smuggle in hidden insults and nothing happens to them. ;)

If you want to know things you could try reddit i suppose some bans and their reasons will show up there.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

Feb 12

It's been over two months. If the rules were as draconian as some have said, there should be some examples.

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Don't you get banned from the forums if you get banned from the game as well?

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Don't you get banned from the forums if you get banned from the game as well?

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No. Those are different services.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

No. Those are different services.

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That is actually partially incorrect as you log-in to the forums with your SE/FFXIV account. So if that account is banned so is your access to the forum on that corresponding account. You will still be able to access it with a different account though.

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Originally Posted by disturbedcobra

That is actually partially incorrect as you log-in to the forums with your SE/FFXIV account. So if that account is banned so is your access to the forum on that corresponding account. You will still be able to access it with a different account though.

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From what i've been told, it is separate and you can be ban from one while still being able to do the other. Depending on the ban I guess. If your account is delete altogether yes won't be able to do much.

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Originally Posted by disturbedcobra

That is actually partially incorrect as you log-in to the forums with your SE/FFXIV account. So if that account is banned so is your access to the forum on that corresponding account. You will still be able to access it with a different account though.

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Forum and ingame bans are different. You can still play the game while you are banned here and you can most certainly write here if you are banned ingame.

Ok, after looking at this a little more. They don't ban the entire account. They just ban the Service account that is attached to the SE account. That is the portion of the account tied to playing the game of FFXIV

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Don't you get banned from the forums if you get banned from the game as well?

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Nope.

Forums and the game are two separate entities. You can be banned from one without the other.

Huh, interesting revelation.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

Nope.

Forums and the game are two separate entities. You can be banned from one without the other.

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But you can't access the forums if you haven't logged in for 14 days on a character. So if your account gets banned, 14 days later you can no longer access the forums, in essence getting forum banned as well.

To answer the OP's question: On Reddit. Also some Facebook groups. Half a dozen or so people who clearly crossed a line, got reported, and got banned. Reminds me of the old days in XI when people swore up and down they didn't cheat or buy gil, but upon further investigation they most certainly did and bragged about it to other people.

It has not been massive waves of people being banned, however, because for the most part the folks in XIV are a comparatively mature bunch and can tell the difference between a joke and harassment, and the preferred method of dealing with random strangers being bad is to coach them if they're amenable or blacklist them if they're not.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

To answer the OP's question: On Reddit. Also some Facebook groups. Half a dozen or so people who clearly crossed a line, got reported, and got banned.

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What were the infractions?

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

From what i've been told, it is separate and you can be ban from one while still being able to do the other. Depending on the ban I guess. If your account is delete altogether yes won't be able to do much.

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Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven

Nope.

Forums and the game are two separate entities. You can be banned from one without the other.

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If you are banned from the Forums, you can still play the game.

If you are banned from the game, you can no longer access the Forums, as it requires a currently subscribed account to utilize. Your account is no longer subscribed if SE bans it. You’ll probably have the 14-day grace period that people who unsubscribe have, but if the ban is permanent, you won’t be able to access the Forums after those 14 days are up.

The changes to the ToS definitely didn't result in super aggressive banning or reporting, as far as I can tell. I've submitted a few reports myself (one of which I was informed they received multiple reports on, and so far I haven't seen that person log in for almost a month now), but certainly haven't been disciplined for any bad behavior. Usually I'm quite Good, but there was one day like a week ago in LotA when I lost my temper with someone who was probably trolling and I definitely used a decent amount of profanity, but haven't received any disciplinary action for it. So it's sort of a two-step thing; you can't get banned for small things if people don't report you, and then if they do it's up to whoever gets the report to decide if it's worth banning for.

Maybe the ToS cover a wider range of infractions now, but people don't seem to be reporting any more hastily than they were before.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

To answer the OP's question: On Reddit. Also some Facebook groups. Half a dozen or so people who clearly crossed a line, got reported, and got banned. Reminds me of the old days in XI when people swore up and down they didn't cheat or buy gil, but upon further investigation they most certainly did and bragged about it to other people.

It has not been massive waves of people being banned, however, because for the most part the folks in XIV are a comparatively mature bunch and can tell the difference between a joke and harassment, and the preferred method of dealing with random strangers being bad is to coach them if they're amenable or blacklist them if they're not.

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And also people got reported frequently on the forums from people that didn't like their opinion and they've got banned for reasons that wouldn't even give a warning in other forums because there was no harassment, insult or what ever. SE have their own ban politics and they are not even clear about it, yes they have their ToS but how they get executed differs extremly and that should not be.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

And also people got reported frequently on the forums from people that didn't like their opinion and they've got banned for reasons that wouldn't even give a warning in other forums because there was no harassment, insult or what ever. SE have their own ban politics and they are not even clear about it, yes they have their ToS but how they get executed differs extremly and that should not be.

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I know someone who was banned from the forums for this reason. Could not appeal either. They showed me the posts that (likely) did them in and honestly it was no more volatile than how outwardly rude people can get. But all it takes is someone to actually report.

Proof cannot be given if GMs cannot state a reason or line of text that gave you a penalty in the first place. Can't ask for evidence when the evidence is never given.

IE, it could be a long term investigation of something that happened before the rules change, and now it's in violation due to the new rules.

Also it's against the rules to talk about bans. Even if people did get banned, they wouldn't risk it divulging it here.