in game optional tools

So in game i guess tools is the right word ... for it I think we honestly need.

1. basic in game calender to add markers and self panned out/fc plan out stuff


2. gather point memory for each point we have used 1 marker per type so for example Mythril ore would have a marker on the map but so would myth sand forever if we choice to keep it.

3. Macro-change to have a castsequence command
for example push x once for thunder x again for fire etc instead of macros that autocast. This would be really helpful.-- similar to how pvp has combo1-2 for jobs like bard

4. maybe in game voice chat-no idea how we could even set it up but as a ps4 player using discord to chat with fc is a nightmare

5. in game notepad <optional turn off or on>

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1. basic in game calender to add markers and self panned out/fc plan out stuff

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Neat idea. If not possible in game, would be a nice addition for the app no one uses.

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4. maybe in game voice chat-no idea how we could even set it up but as a ps4 player using discord to chat with fc is a nightmare

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DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE PHONES?

Seriously though, Diablo Imortal meme aside, it's actually true here. Anyone with a smartphone can join discord.

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5. in game notepad <optional turn off or on>

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Don't see the benefit. Maybe i'm missing something.

Some ideas were interesting, some I doubt we ever see or even is beneficial

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

Neat idea. If not possible in game, would be a nice addition for the app no one uses.

DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE PHONES?

Seriously though, Diablo Imortal meme aside, it's actually true here. Anyone with a smartphone can join discord.


Don't see the benefit. Maybe i'm missing something.

Some ideas were interesting, some I doubt we ever see or even is beneficial

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i share my phone with husband and hardly can hear ppl with it for voice chat on discord personally its a nightmare 2 pick up phone 2 talk 2 guide a fc mate through a scape for example normally ends up with me taking a hit and looking dumb lol



the notepad for memory of what mats i need to collect for my crafting plans total .. keeping up with it right now is a bit annoying and I'm normally off by 10-12 logs or ores.


reason i bring up notepad is to memorize request ppl have for running stuff and doing the math of how much of x i need without bringing up the menu a million times lol


i always try to write out my plans/ math of what i need total before i go out to get it and a notepad in game would save so many trees lol

you share a phone with your husband? why? aren't you allowed to have your own phone?
also you can use the notepad function on your phone too? do you have a tablet you can use?

Hard pass on the voice chat, for a number of reasons:
1) There are free and easy to use tools to accomplish voice chat out there (Discord...) which offer a much better quality than an ingame chat would be able to.
2) Since such tools already exist and are widely used and established, it would be a waste of ressources to develope them again.
3) Voice chat would become mandatory for a lot more content than it already is - with the argument off "If the devs thought we could do this without voice chat, why did they put voice chat in the game?"
4) Harrassment would be a lot more difficult to monitor. Specially for females this would/should/could be a concern.

I'm also pretty sure that this topic has already been adressed by the devs - by saying that they wont implement such a feature because they worry that people who are uncomfortable with voice chats (specially those who are playing an MMO for the first time or women) would feel pressured into using it if it was an official tool and they want to avoid that.

The current macro system leaves much to be desired - would love to see an improved version.

Would also like a text field for RP character info/bio. One of my favorite past-times in MMOs is reading peoples' character bios. Could also be used for other information and recruitment but basically just a paragraph of space for players to put info with a English character limit requirement in mind.

I've never seen an in-game voice chat feature you couldn't opt out of. For that matter, even in MMOs with random parties (like FFXIV or WoW) voice chat is usually just not an option at all. You'd have to have formed the party yourself for that option to even exist.

I see this argument pop up every time someone so much as thinks about in-game voice and it's silly every time. What do you think is going to happen? You're going to join a DF queue, pop into Sastasha, and suddenly three 8-year olds are screeching at you? No. Not what happens. Even in games with built-in voice.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

3. Macro-change to have a castsequence command
for example push x once for thunder x again for fire etc instead of macros that autocast. This would be really helpful.-- similar to how pvp has combo1-2 for jobs like bard

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Not seeing this happening as it could/would aid botting. Not to mention you are just asking to have your DPS (or whatever) severely hampered.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Not seeing this happening as it could/would aid botting. Not to mention you are just asking to have your DPS (or whatever) severely hampered.

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you do know macro change would have no differnt effect than what can already be done with normal cast macros right the only differnce is that would be more helpful for normal players

you can already create a autocast macro ... but i love the well this will aid bots bs lol when macros in general do lol

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

you do know macro change would have no differnt effect than what can already be done with normal cast macros right the only differnce is that would be more helpful for normal players

you can already create a autocast macro ... but i love the well this will aid bots bs lol when macros in general do lol

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And those are a horrible idea as well. This would be worse though because in addition to not being able to queue spells, you run the risk of throwing your entire rotation off hitting the button too quickly or too slowly.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

And those are a horrible idea as well. This would be worse though because in addition to not being able to queue spells, you run the risk of throwing your entire rotation off hitting the button too quickly or too slowly.

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lol no you dont removing auto cast on the macro would help dps do there rotation because the second you move during a autocast macro your rotation is screwed go create a trail acc on wow for long enough for 3 abilitys through /castsequence .. until then you got no idea what your talking about

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

lol no you dont removing auto cast on the macro would help dps do there rotation because the second you move during a autocast macro your rotation is screwed go create a trail acc on wow for long enough for 3 abilitys through /castsequence .. until then you got no idea what your talking about

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You are just... wrong. Macroing spellcasts is a bad idea because macros can not queue spells. Adding multiple spells into one macro would only exacerbate this issue.

edit: This has nothing to do with WoW as ability queueing is a FFXIV thing. That aside, castsequence macros in WoW are a bad idea as well because of what I mentioned. If you hit it before the GCD is up nothing will cast until you press it again... which, as I said, throws your rotation off. I mean if you are super super casual and don't care... go for it. If you are trying to be even a decent player though....

Some tools for using with the in-game map might be useful. E.g. adding multiple "flags"/map markers, annotate them, connect them, choose more detailed what type of other markers to show etc... at least if they're going to add more stuff like this years Hatching Tide event. Maybe you could purchase those (stickers?) in-game from Khloe or other NPCs to use on ones map. Kudos if you could solve the riddles without getting many hints from the NPC - I did not have the patience nor the tools to trace that off the screen.

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Originally Posted by manamoppet

Some tools for using with the in-game map might be useful. E.g. adding multiple "flags"/map markers, annotate them, connect them, choose more detailed what type of other markers to show etc... at least if they're going to add more stuff like this years Hatching Tide event. Maybe you could purchase those (stickers?) in-game from Khloe or other NPCs to use on ones map. Kudos if you could solve the riddles without getting many hints from the NPC - I did not have the patience nor the tools to trace that off the screen.

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Personal flags would definitely be a nice addition.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

1. basic in game calender to add markers and self panned out/fc plan out stuff

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This would be great for FCs to post events, especially if it automatically adjusted to each members local time. I used to run a website for an FC, and at most only about half of the members would regularly check it.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

5. in game notepad <optional turn off or on>

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This would really handy. I'd use it to keep notes on players I've met and to do lists. (Yeah I know I could do this on my phone or computer but I don't always have access to them while I play)

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Originally Posted by Aramina

You are just... wrong. Macroing spellcasts is a bad idea because macros can not queue spells. Adding multiple spells into one macro would only exacerbate this issue.

edit: This has nothing to do with WoW as ability queueing is a FFXIV thing. That aside, castsequence macros in WoW are a bad idea as well because of what I mentioned. If you hit it before the GCD is up nothing will cast until you press it again... which, as I said, throws your rotation off. I mean if you are super super casual and don't care... go for it. If you are trying to be even a decent player though....

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you do know optional things like macros are never bad right since its optional if you dislike it you don't have to use it right

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

you do know optional things like macros are never bad right since its optional if you dislike it you don't have to use it right

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I never said you couldn't use it. I said it was a bad idea, and likely not something they would likely add because of it getting potentially close to bot scripting.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

you do know optional things like macros are never bad right since its optional if you dislike it you don't have to use it right

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Make something ideal for the meta, and the pressure is on to use it more and more. Did you ever consider such a thing? Not like this idea would make the meta outside crafting considering how macros work...

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Originally Posted by Gula

Make something ideal for the meta, and the pressure is on to use it more and more. Did you ever consider such a thing? Not like this idea would make the meta outside crafting considering how macros work...

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if pressure gets to you .. you have a serious proplem and that isn't the game or tools fault for your lack of will power lol

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I never said you couldn't use it. I said it was a bad idea, and likely not something they would likely add because of it getting potentially close to bot scripting.

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Well let's be real there: bots don't need that functionality to operate and it doesn't really help them.

About the only game I've played where a castsequence-type macro was useful was Rift, but only because it allowed spell cascading AND you could legitimately have a rotation with 50 abilities in it because of how their class system worked.

In WoW... eh, I tried it for a while when I was first learning the game, but it didn't take long to realize it was a bad idea if I ever wanted to like... do well. I feel the same thing would happen in FFXIV. It's just not that useful when compared against just learning your rotation properly.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Well let's be real there: bots don't need that functionality to operate and it doesn't really help them.

About the only game I've played where a castsequence-type macro was useful was Rift, but only because it allowed spell cascading AND you could legitimately have a rotation with 50 abilities in it because of how their class system worked.

In WoW... eh, I tried it for a while when I was first learning the game, but it didn't take long to realize it was a bad idea if I ever wanted to like... do well. I feel the same thing would happen in FFXIV. It's just not that useful when compared against just learning your rotation properly.

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you do know in pvp it basicly forces the use of castsequence and dps is just fine lol take a lok at rdm mele combo in your pvp profile

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

you do know in pvp it basicly forces the use of castsequence and dps is just fine lol take a lok at rdm mele combo in your pvp profile

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What is done in pvp is not at all the same as a castsequence macro.

As an example, let's say you have Spells 1-4 and the GCD is 2.5 seconds. If you hit the button at exactly 2.5 seconds then it would work fine (barring spell queuing in ffxiv which I mentioned in an earlier post). BUT if you don't, the spell will fail, but the the macro will still progress meaning you skip a spell.

Spell 1.
2.5s
Spell 2.
2.3s (hit it too early)
Spell 3 fails.
2.5s
Spell 4.

If Spell 3 interacts with Spell 4 in any way, then it is even worse.

The macro does not (can't) take into account if you mistimed hitting the button. It only knows that you hit it, and hitting it means to go to the next spell in the macro.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

What is done in pvp is not at all the same as a castsequence macro.

As an example, let's say you have Spells 1-4 and the GCD is 2.5 seconds. If you hit the button at exactly 2.5 seconds then it would work fine (barring spell queuing in ffxiv which I mentioned in an earlier post). BUT if you don't, the spell will fail, but the the macro will still progress meaning you skip a spell.

Spell 1.
2.5s
Spell 2.
2.3s (hit it too early)
Spell 3 fails.
2.5s
Spell 4.

If Spell 3 interacts with Spell 4 in any way, then it is even worse.

The macro does not (can't) take into account if you mistimed hitting the button. It only knows that you hit it, and hitting it means to go to the next spell in the macro.

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im pretty sure i said like pvps o n 1st post i even used bard as a example in pvp for how it should work lol

Personally I just wish mouse over macros would work properly with healing spells and not fizzle / self-target 30% of the time. Fixing cast sequencing in macros would just be icing on the cake.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

im pretty sure i said like pvps o n 1st post i even used bard as a example in pvp for how it should work lol

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It works exactly how I said it works. Maybe you should follow the advice you gave me and make a starter account on WoW. The macro can't tell if you succeed in casting a spell or not. It can only tell if you hit the button. Now if you want something that does work like pvp does, that is another thing.... but they have already said they won't be making combos like that work for PvE.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

you do know in pvp it basicly forces the use of castsequence and dps is just fine lol take a lok at rdm mele combo in your pvp profile

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That's a bit different since the game's own interface is doing it for you rather than a macro just executing a sequence of commands. The game knows when a spell has fired off correctly and moves to the next one, the macro doesn't know that... it just moves to the next one. I'd talk about spell queuing here too but Aramina seems to have that covered nicely.

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Originally Posted by Lersayil

Personally I just wish mouse over macros would work properly with healing spells and not fizzle / self-target 30% of the time. Fixing cast sequencing in macros would just be icing on the cake.

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I've never had a mouseover macro do that to me, but I only use them for certain off-gcd things (like Goad or Cover). Haven't tried to use them for straight healing. I'd be interested in seeing the macro that's failing for you, it's possible it's just not laid out properly.