Was it ever made clear whether or not XVI will be an MMO or single player?

There seems to be so many conflicting articles and answers online, so I wanted to know if anyone knew for sure? You’d think if Yoshi is working on it, it’ll likely be an MMO. Especially since a lot of developers have dev kits for the PS5 by now.

It's not even said it'll be FFXVI, just a new project.

No one outside of SE knows anything about XVI. There hasn't been a single mention of the next FF yet. Anything online is pure speculation.

It's very unlikely to be an MMO, unless they're planning on killing off XI, which I don't think they are, they're still doing more with it.

It's entirely possible that they're continuing down this "games as a service" route, that they experimented with in FFXV. It could be modular, have online/multiplayer components, in which case I can see why Yoshi P would be a good candidate to direct it, and why Tabata would give anything to avoid it...

Yoshi has stated they don't have any plans for another MMO while FFXIV is still doing so well and bringing in the money, so XVI is unlikely to go down that route so soon. However as Seraphor mentioned, the next title might have online/multiplayer components but I think we need to expect to be more of a single player game.

It's not even sure there will be a FFXVI. What we know, is the department lead by Yoshi-P is the one who is in charge of the Luminous Engine. According to their own words : they are working on a new licence AAA. That's all we know for sure. I failed to find more informations.
Since SE has changed departments structure, several projects can be run by one department, then we can't really know.

FF16 will not be an MMO, most likely. It would be far too early. If there is a new MMO, it probably won't be until FF17 or 18.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

FF16 will not be an MMO, most likely. It would be far too early. If there is a new MMO, it probably won't be until FF17 or 18.

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Provided they want to continue the franchise at all, though I don't see why they wouldn't. They don't want FF XIV to go anywhere for the foreseeable future though. It's just too dang profitable.

Please be the legendary Super Mario RPG 2

Remaster of the first would be okay as well

It will most likely be a single player game with little multiplayer like ffxv. I am guessing by the time the PS5 comes out it will be time to pull the plug on ffxi

Some interesting speculation here:

https://massivelyop.com/2019/04/04/w...stery-project/

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Originally Posted by Dagget

Some interesting speculation here:

https://massivelyop.com/2019/04/04/w...stery-project/

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Honestly, we don't even know if it's a Final Fantasy game at all. It could be anything right now. Could even be a spin off kind of thing like a single player version of FFXIV separate from the MMO version. Now that'd be a twist.
"Do you enjoy this game and want to see how it concludes? Then go get the MMO!"

On the other hand it could even be related to the FF7 remaster project too.

I've been wondering if SE is experimenting on VR. Sony is really trying to push it now. I agree with most of that article. The gaming climate is changing and online is where it's headed.

It is unlikely the SE will develop a new MMO for a while as they have 3 different ones already still running and they just announced some event in FF11 for its anniversary next year. As for the 'new project', it is worth noting that it is being developed by Yoshi P's division. That doesn't mean he will be directly working on the development of it. His division also handles work on FF11. In addition to being producer and director of FF14, Yoshi P has managerial roles in SE now. His involvement in the new project will probably be more likely higher level signing off and overseeing rather than direct development. After all he already is doing two jobs in FF14's development which a lot of work.

I'm just really hoping they go back to story driven turn based games. I really miss the old school single player Final Fantasy games. FFXV was... ok-ish, but not entirely my cup of tea. Never even finished it which is not something that usually happens when I play a FF game. Just got bored and never got back on.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

I'm just really hoping they go back to story driven turn based games. I really miss the old school single player Final Fantasy games. FFXV was... ok-ish, but not entirely my cup of tea. Never even finished it which is not something that usually happens when I play a FF game. Just got bored and never got back on.

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They're very unlikely to go back to turn based combat at this point, they are using the more "retro" style games like Octopath Traveller or the Bravely Series for that niche.

In a few interviews over the past few years, Yoshi-P was talking about what he'd do if he ever worked on another project. At the Paris fanfest, he outright debunked the idea that if he were to work on a new game at this point in time that it'd be an MMO, since FFXIV is still going strong.

Let me pull up this timeline that I posted on Reddit when this news broke out...

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- Back around the end of the HW patch cycle (early-mid 2017), three key FFXIV staff members resigned (or at least aren't as prominent in their roles within the staff anymore). Battle designer Gondai, Director Takai (of other notable SE projects, not FFXIV, though he contributed), and Scenario writer Maehiro (who also worked on all of Matsuno's Ivalice games). See here for exact specifics: https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...pment/ejv6e26/

- During the fall of 2017, there was an interview with Yoshi-P where he outright said that he'd work on FF16 if SE or fans asked him to. He also mentions that it'd be a high fantasy title. I honestly believe he would not say such a thing if he wasn't ALREADY involved in another FF project at that time.
https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/...nal-fantasy-16

- On April 1st 2018, exactly one year ago, Yoshi-P was suddenly promoted to board of directors within Square-Enix. https://www.dualshockers.com/square-enix-directors/

- Very recently, at the Paris fanfest, Yoshi-P again reiterates that if he were to work on another FF project, it'd have a high fantasy setting. He also says (in regards to the exact question asked) that it most likely won't be another MMO, since FFXIV is still doing well.
https://www.siliconera.com/2019/02/0...-and-no-mecha/

- And now, we have this confirmation that Yoshi-P has indeed been working on a new project, and that it is leaving pre-production and going into full production (which means it has likely been in development for about a year or longer now). Note that the recruitment page on SE's website for the new project had already existed since at least 2016, but it was not known until [April 1st of this year] if Yoshi-P had any involvement with it. The only thing not known now is if the new project is FF-related at all, but chances are very high at this point.

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I honestly think it's a bit too premature to believe that this is actually FFXVI. There is no way in hell that SE would ever allow FFXVI to be released before FF7R, unless FF7R's development cycle continues to be enough of a mess to the point where it gets delayed another 3+ years. I feel that there's a higher chance that this might be a new Tactics entry instead (since we're in the middle of a strategy-RPG revival of sorts right now), especially if it turns out that Matsuno is involved.

My personal dream is that if this is actually a new Tactics entry instead of FFXVI that it'd have gameplay similar to the Divinity Original Sin series, which means there's also actual exploration and field manipulation thrown into the mix. It seems like a natural evolution for the Tactics series.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

The only thing not known now is if the new project is FF-related at all, but chances are very high at this point.

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Yoshi is more are less the lead of the 3rd division which is the Luminous Engine division. What is told for sure is they are working on a "new licence AAA". But since about two or three years, there are a lot of speculations about the question to know if the licence FF will continue or not. I can't find where it was but one of the old FF producers said (I think it is no other than Sakaguchi), more or less : it could become ridiculous to release a FF30 or so. FF will have to come to an end, a way or another, a day or another.

But I hardly imagine they will kill the licence. They will probably create a new Final fantasy, with a complementary name that will become the main name.

The last time I check if what they called XV failed, they wouldn't do any more numbered FF. And it kinda failed a lot.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

The last time I check if what they called XV failed, they wouldn't do any more numbered FF. And it kinda failed a lot.

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No it didnt fail as it saved the franchise from the decline it was in. Whats a failure to fans is not a failure to a company always remember that, as last year its sold 8.4 million copies and SE has made the money they put into back.

It did failed. They gave up the dlc, the game sold for crap. Even the mobile game made more money than it. They make ad for it everywhere to try to sell the thing, even make weird coop event to make money. The ad for the cup ramen dlc was epic in all the wrong way.
My local game store don't even want to buy it back for more than 5€.
That's not what I call successfull.

There has been literally zero information given out about FF16.

So nobody knows a thing.

More than likely it will be a single player game and not an mmo.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

It did failed. They gave up the dlc, the game sold for crap. Even the mobile game made more money than it. They make ad for it everywhere to try to sell the thing, even make weird coop event to make money. The ad for the cup ramen dlc was epic in all the wrong way.
My local game store don't even want to buy it back for more than 5€.
That's not what I call successfull.

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It did not fail. Your definition of failure and success is clearly subjective. Just because you didn't enjoy the game and what it had to offer does not mean it failed. According to an article in 2018 it had sold 8.1 million copies. And i'm sure the number has gone up since. Slowly, but i'm sure it has. That being said, its been stated that Square has viewed FF15 to be a success.

Also the game came out in 2016. Its not uncommon for a game shop to take a game that old for 5 bucks. So that argument you are trying to make is absolutely terrible. Also just because they cancelled the DLC doesn't mean the game was a failure. Its rare for a single player rpg to get all the love it got. Years after it came out it was still getting new content. Tell me any other single player RPG that kept getting new content years after it was released.

Also a cash cow mobile game does not equal a final fantasy game. Most mobile games today make way more money than triple A games. Do you deem any game that gets beat by a mobile game in money generated a failure?

Your salt is obviously blinding you.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

It did failed. They gave up the dlc, the game sold for crap. Even the mobile game made more money than it. They make ad for it everywhere to try to sell the thing, even make weird coop event to make money. The ad for the cup ramen dlc was epic in all the wrong way.
My local game store don't even want to buy it back for more than 5€.
That's not what I call successfull.

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I'm not sure what reality you are getting your information from, but it's not this one. FF15 is the 3rd best selling FF game behind 7 and 10. It did extremely well and is most certainly very successful any way you look at it.

Maybe you're referring to them cancelling the DLC? That's because they are funneling money into another project and they didn't think it was worth funneling money into both.

FFXI (MMO)
FFXII (single player)
FFXIII (single player)
FFXIV (MMO)
FFXV (single player)

If the trend continues. . .

FFXVI (single player)
FFXVII (MMO)

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Originally Posted by Sagittarii

FFXI (MMO)
FFXII (single player)
FFXIII (single player)
FFXIV (MMO)
FFXV (single player)

If the trend continues. . .

FFXVI (single player)
FFXVII (MMO)

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I don't think you can establish a trend based on two points. You're also not taking into account the years between game releases (FFXI was 2002, XIV was 2010 originally, so that means we should already be a year into the next MMO) or, more importantly, playerbase or technical leaps.

Development of new mainline FF games has slowed down since the 80s and 90s so I don't think anyone can call which one is going to be the next whatever. For all we know XVI could be an MMO and still not come out for another 10 years. We could get a sudden surge and get back to one every year or two. XIV might pull a WoW and still be going into 2025 before they even think of looking into making another MMO.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

FF16 will not be an MMO, most likely. It would be far too early. If there is a new MMO, it probably won't be until FF17 or 18.

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Since XI and XIV are both MMOs, it'll probably be FFXVII that will be an MMO, just for the "every 3 games" to be a pattern.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Since XI and XIV are both MMOs, it'll probably be FFXVII that will be an MMO, just for the "every 3 games" to be a pattern.

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If MMORPGs weren't falling by the wayside maybe. It wouldn't surprise me if FF XIV was their last, at least for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

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It sold because people were waiting for it, the problem is that people also sold it back. The copy sold doesn't make up for the money they loss. And that, is the failure.
The game game could be sold back for nothing just some day after the release. Obviously I wouldn't take into account that if it were only now.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

Your salt is obviously blinding you.

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Love the argument of "i don't agree so your salty".

I'm just thinking that losing money from a game you make isn't success. Without taking accout of wether people liked it or not.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

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If it worked even if they did need money, they wouldn't have cancel the dlc. Because they would have more money in return if it really had worked out.



Anyway, they said that if it worked you'll get a XVI. We'll see from that then. If it isn't on mobile completly.

Final Fantasy XVI has never been confirmed.

A new MMO confirmation at this point would also be bad since ShB is about to come out. If they would announce MMO (as an example) the best time would be at the end of the expansion so instead of announcing a new expantion they announce a new MMO to come out next year (the new MMO would have been in development for 4 years minimum (MMO from scratch takes a long time to make)).

Anyway FF XVI has never been confirmed as I said and it took around 10 years for FF XV so let's wait, if we're lucky next FF game would be in 2026.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

I'm not sure what reality you are getting your information from, but it's not this one. FF15 is the 3rd best selling FF game behind 7 and 10. It did extremely well and is most certainly very successful any way you look at it.

Maybe you're referring to them cancelling the DLC? That's because they are funneling money into another project and they didn't think it was worth funneling money into both.

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Maybe, but how the whole FFXV project cost them ?
I'am sure the difference between cost and profit is largely different from FFVII and FFX.

According to the informations I could gather, FFXV development was profitable since the first release day.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

Yoshi is more are less the lead of the 3rd division which is the Luminous Engine division. What is told for sure is they are working on a "new licence AAA". But since about two or three years, there are a lot of speculations about the question to know if the licence FF will continue or not. I can't find where it was but one of the old FF producers said (I think it is no other than Sakaguchi), more or less : it could become ridiculous to release a FF30 or so. FF will have to come to an end, a way or another, a day or another.

But I hardly imagine they will kill the licence. They will probably create a new Final fantasy, with a complementary name that will become the main name.

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I'm fairly sure the Luminous division actually isn't under Yoshi-P's oversight.

Before the restructuring, Yoshi-P's division was the 5th Business Division, which oversees MMO projects and Dragon Quest Builders, of all things. No one yet knows for sure if the Luminous team is now part of Yoshi-P's division as a result of the restructuring that consolidated 11 divisions into 4, but it's unlikely. Yoshi-P would have already talked about it otherwise.

The current assumption is that the Luminous project and the new project are unrelated. Remember that SE has been recruiting for this new project for at least 2-3 years now, and it is already leaving pre-production and going into full blown development (whereas most of the other big name SE projects were announced/revealed during pre-production). Right now, the current guesses are...

BD 1 = BD 1 (FFVII RE) + BD 3 (KINGDOM HEARTS) - AKA the Square/AAA division
BD 2 = BD 6 (DRAGON QUEST X/XI) + BD 11 (OCTOPATH/BRAVELY DEFAULT) - AKA Enix Division/co-development with other dev teams such as Platinum Games (the old BD 6 collaborated with Platinum to make the Nier franchise)
BD 3 = BD 5 (FFXI/FFXIV/DRAGON QUEST BUILDERS/UNANNOUNCED PROJECT) - AKA MMO/occasional odd projects division
BD 4 = BD 4 (OPERA OMNIA) + BD 7 (LORD OF VERMILION) + BD 8 (SECRET OF MANA REMAKE) + BD 9 (VALKYRIA ANATOMIA) + BD 10 (MILLION ARTHUR) - AKA mobile division
Luminous Productions (and their unannounced project) are thought to be part of BD2

(The weird thing is that Dragon Quest X wasn't part of the old BD 5, but Yoshi-P did manage that game before heading present day FFXIV. It's possible that with the restructuring, management of DQX may have moved to BD 3, though there's currently no way to know for sure.)

If I -really- had to guess what the new project is... I'm starting to think more by the day that it's not actually FFXVI, because making that AND managing the MMOs seems like an astronomical effort. I'm more inclined to think it's a new IP or a spin-off (possibly a FFT-style game, as the FFXIV team has a lot of former FFXII/Tactics staff), like how Dragon Quest Builders was a spin-off game with mechanics drastically different from the main games and sold/was well-received enough to get a sequel.

If it is FFXVI and it gets released in a timely manner, the team is either incredible at resource management (despite what we may say to the contrary here on these forums), and/or the former BD1/BD3 were really incompetent.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

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I have to admit the corporate structure and the internal function are kinda confusing. The Luminous Engine can be run two way : who is building it (pure technical : mathematics and development) and who is using it. It is not totally closed but that's two different jobs anyway.

Official Board

Yoshinori Kitase : Division I
Yuu Miyake & Yosuke Saito : Division II
Naoki Yoshida : Division III
Hirokazu Nishikado : Division IV

Strange but if Taito is named, Tokyo RPG factory, Studio Istolia or Luminous Production are not (see). Weirdly I can find who is board in Tokyo RPG factory, Studio Istolia or Luminous Production. That what confused me.

Anyway, people who speculate based on the illustration of the recruitment page... the aeronef... it is a concept art of the Protector in Abalathia (I checked in game, there's no doubt, it is exactly the same aeronef).