Repairs/Melding: Stop Increasing Its Level

I've subscribed longer than most have.

I have subscribed, without pause, since ARR started. No breaks, no months off. I've kept my crafters up, I've melded materia, I've removed it, I've repaired my gear every expansion.

But approaching L80, enough is enough with upping this repair requirement every expansion.

You have to be L50 to repair L60 gear. You have to be L60 to repair L70 gear. Presumably, you have to be L70 to repair L80 gear. If this pattern continues, the effectiveness of repairs will not be worth it to newer players.

For someone privileged like me, I have been around long enough to get every crafter to cap for all the jobs I play. I imagine most of the White Knights on here will argue that I worked for it and so did they. That doesn't fix the increasing problem.

But it's a lot of time, investment, and energy for newcomers. For someone just starting the game, leveling L80 x 8 crafters = 640 levels. To repair. If it goes to L90 x 8 crafters, then we're talking 720 levels. Even if they don't want to craft anything and just save a few extra gil on repairs and melding. This is getting ridiculous.

Please consider offering a permanent cap to crafter levels needed to repair.

Example:
L80 battle = L70 repairs
L90 battle = L70 repairs
L99 battle = L70 repairs

This is not suggesting to stop increasing crafter cap, just repairs/melds. Force crafters that want to make gear to continue leveling their jobs and make the content challenging as planned in Ishgard, keep the crafting jobs increasing every expansion, but there's no reason we should continue upping the repair requirements. Let's consider value versus effort. The value will not be worth the effort for someone new, and we want more new players.

We really need to think about how challenging it is for new players, and how we can continue to replenish the active subscriptions.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

But it's a lot of time, investment, and energy for newcomers. For someone just starting the game, leveling L80 x 8 crafters = 640 levels. To repair. If it goes to L90 x 8 crafters, then we're talking 720 levels. Even if they don't want to craft anything and just save a few extra gil on repairs and melding. This is getting ridiculous.

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How many people level crafters just to be able to repair stuff? Very, very few, I think.
If people don't want to spend time and effort leveling their crafters, then they can just spend gil to get their gear repaired. Problem solved.
As for melds, there are NPCs for that too. Or you can ask a friend with leveled crafters if want to overmeld.

In short, you are trying to solve a non-problem.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

If people don't want to spend time and effort leveling their crafters, then they can just spend gil to get their gear repaired. Problem solved.

In short, you are trying to solve a non-problem.

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This doesn't solve the problem of repairs. You're avoiding the issue of repairs.

Repairs cost too much at the NPCs. So value over time becomes a factor in choosing whether or not to self repair.

And self repair is MASSIVE for raids, dungeons, or Eureka. Repair costs are too high. It keeps the new players poor and the crafters rich. Trickle-down economics at play.

I agree with this in principal, although I can't see it happening unfortunately. It is frustrating to have half a static that can repair themselves, but we have to stop prog to allow those who don't have the time to level all their crafters to leave and repair. But, it is a fairly small annoyance compared to other QOL changes we need. So it wouldn't be a high priority for me personally.
Will add my support though on the off chance the team look into this one day, and I can definitely see your point re: newer players. Hell, if my partner who's been playing for 4 years hasn't had time to cap his crafters, what hope do newer players who also work full time have? It does kind of unfairly weight things towards players with... more spare time to spend shall we say ;)

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Repairs cost too much at the NPCs. So value over time becomes a factor in choosing whether or not to self repair.

And self repair is MASSIVE for raids, dungeons, or Eureka. Repair costs are too high. It keeps the new players poor and the crafters rich. Trickle-down economics at play.

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Not really, I mean once you get so far in the game money just gets thrown at you through various means and there are very few cash sinks in the game to begin with, repairs have been the only consistent thing after all this time. Most raiders have no issue doing some runs and then backing out of the duty to repair, and Eureka has a mender, it's really not that big of deal. It's a no brainer that you repair your gear often, deciding whether you should or shouldn't because of the cost is not a valid reason. Some players already go in to duties with broken gear causing inconvenience to everyone else, having crafter repair access suddenly isn't going to fix that if players don't have to a desire to level crafters anyway.

Also curious how your subscription time has anything to do with the matter, it holds no sway or influence, you could have made the thread without that particular starting point in all fairness...

They could get rid of the 7 (soon to be 8) levels of Dark Matter (and only have one Dark Matter to rule them all) and let anyone of any level repair things to 100% and give a bonus for each level in the requisite craft.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

leveling L80 x 8 crafters = 640 levels. To repair.

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Your math's a little off. When talking specifically about repairs, there aren't 8 crafting classes. Culinarian doesn't make gear, so doesn't repair or meld it either. And players who find 7 crafting classes too many to level probably aren't the ones leveling all 16 combat jobs, so they may be able to limit it further by focusing on the ones that make most of their main job's gear. People who main any of the DoM jobs probably don't use Armorer very often, nor does a Warrior have much use for Carpenter, and so on. (Of course, to also be able to craft usefully at high levels, they'll want their other crafters up to 50 for cross-class skills, but that's neither relevant to repairs nor continuing to go up each expansion.)

And in any case, if someone was willing to keep their crafting classes within 10 levels of their main just to repair gear for the first 50 or 60 levels, why would that change while they're going the rest of the way to 70 or 80?

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Originally Posted by Acantha

It is frustrating to have half a static that can repair themselves, but we have to stop prog to allow those who don't have the time to level all their crafters to leave and repair.

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While I don't really see much need for the OP's suggestion, I would like it if we could repair each other's gear (kind of like how we can meld someone else's gear). Then so long as your static has at least one person with leveled crafters and everyone carries Dark Matter, you could take care of everyone's repairs in-dungeon.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

They could get rid of the 7 (soon to be 8) levels of Dark Matter (and only have one Dark Matter to rule them all)

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This would be nice, too.

ITs the typical FFXIV problem, we get grad 1-27 but they cant just give us one and increase the amount you need for higher ilvl gear. And yes it should be way lower, like half the cap level, so youd need lv 35 for 70, 40 for 80 etc... or just hard cap it at level 50 or 60. Its one of those things where the actually work is pretty few...

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Repairs cost too much at the NPCs.

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They do not. I have an alt who cannot self repair and only fishes for gil. When last I checked she had 67m.

As to your raid mates who cannot self repair, visit the repair NPC before each raid, use durability droughts or squadron gear maintenance manuals.

What we REALLY need is "Request Repair." We had it in 1.x.

P. S. I beat you all hollow as to time in game. /grin

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

They could get rid of the 7 (soon to be 8) levels of Dark Matter (and only have one Dark Matter to rule them all) and let anyone of any level repair things to 100% and give a bonus for each level in the requisite craft.

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I've been wanting something like this for a really long time now. Here's to hoping SE makes some kind of change come ShB.

EDIT: Or consolidate to two kinds or something if they are worried about losing another type of gil sink. For example, have repair levels 1-69 in one type of dark matter, and 70-80 in another with the latter being a lot more pricey.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

This doesn't solve the problem of repairs. You're avoiding the issue of repairs.

Repairs cost too much at the NPCs. So value over time becomes a factor in choosing whether or not to self repair.

And self repair is MASSIVE for raids, dungeons, or Eureka. Repair costs are too high. It keeps the new players poor and the crafters rich. Trickle-down economics at play.

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If you are having trouble paying for equipment repairs, you are doing something wrong. Just playing the game normally should provide more than enough gil to pay for all repairs needed, and it is not that hard to make more money if desired.

I 100% disagree with you. It makes sense for repair level requirement to go up as the level of the gear goes up. If you don’t want to keep leveling to repair then go to a mender npc its what they are there for.

Please square enix don’t listen to things like this thread D: people complain about the simpliest things that don’t need change.

- Also a realm reborn player who has been subbed for years.

Sorry OP, but your request is not necessary.

Main subject of crafters is crafting. Being able to repair their own (and hopefully soon others) gear and melding is a side benefit of having a crafter leveled.
Even for new players there are plenty of ways to level crafters. As example one of my raid members plays since around christmas and now has 6/8 crafters at 70, while just playing casually for roulettes, the raid and doing some stuff with his crafters.

All i see here is someone wanting to claim the benefits but not wanting to work form them.

Absolutely disagree.

Crafters constantly meeting their level cap deserve the right to repair their own gear as they worked hard to get there, on top of their normal goals of supplying gear for the raid team and themselves. Repairing gear doesn't even cost that much either so it's a non issue, you really only need to do a single rou to get more then enough gil to repair all of your stuff. Melding is even more of reward as it lets them optimize on their gear, which getting to that point requires so much effort between leve quests, GC turn ins, and job progression.

The current system works great and it's all the more reason to raise your crafters up for those extra benefits, but especially to be thankful for your raid crafters for helping you max out your builds as you can't do it yourself.

It confuses me when people say repairs/teleporting is too expensive. Under lv50 perhaps. But, you get gil from the MSQ, side quests as well as selling dungeon only items via retainers on the MB. Glams from PotD can still sell rather well depending on the World. Need Aetheryte tickets? Hunt. If you work for it, then you will have it. I made millions just selling the crystals I'd accumulated from playing for so long.

It might seem daunting but it's not as though it's impossible. I have several crafters to 50 on my first character. I made a new one in HW and didn't bother much with crafting. THEN, I made yet another new main character for Stormblood. I took the time to level every single crafter and gatherer to 70 (I still have 2 left - armorer and fisher! But they're almost there!!). Did it take time? Yes. Was it daunting? Sure. But it can be done and if you want to level those things up, then you'll do it.

I don't think there are many people who level it up for repairs. Most do it because they like it or because they want to be able to make their own stuff without having to spend so much money. Or they want to make money. That being said, repairing from a vendor isn't the worst thing in the world. I did it throughout HW and it really wasn't that bad at all and it acts as a pretty decent gil sink which this game sorely lacks.