More character models instead on new races

I wished se will update the current character models or at least add new ones. For example I want to be a elf with alisaie and her brother’s model

Unless they remove genderlock first I don't want this. If they remove genderlock then this is a decent idea

Alisaie and Alphinaud simply are elezens. According to the Encyclopedia, Elezens don't reach maturity until they are in their twenties, and that is why they stay smaller in comparison to older elezens (its even mentioned that they are mocked by hyurs at a young age because of that). I guess since Alisaie and Alphinaud aren't over twenty years old, they are smaller, but they are still elezens regardless.

The Warrior of Light clearly is an adult, so I guess that wouldn't be a possibility :(

I don't think we will ever get Alisaie/Alphinaud face models. They are about 16 y.o., while our characters are definetely in their 20's at least.
As for Aymeric - it would be cool, but probably SE will prefer to keep him unique, same as few other characters.

Yoshi-P was asked about graphic/character creator a lot lately, and for graphic he said that it's not on the table at least until PS4 will be replaced with next generation (not to mention that a lot of players play on quite bad PCs). I think that if we will ever get new character creator (or at least new options in recent one) - it will be implemented with graphics update. So... not in nearest future, most likely.

They’ll probably do this in 6.0. Something tells me that the plump Miqo’te that will be in Shadowbringers are some kind of test for body shape options.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Unless they remove genderlock first I don't want this. If they remove genderlock then this is a decent idea

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Will you people stop!

I've said this every expansion; More options for existing races > new races. 100% of your playerbase play the existing races, and can benefit from more options on them. A significantly smaller portion will play new races.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

Will you people stop!

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Whatchu mean "you people"?!

Nope. And honestly I see where this guy is coming from. Have SE actually complete the races before going back to expand the options for others.

A would like to be able to make my character a bit taller please.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

Will you people stop!

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It's the most pressing issue and related to this topic. Artists would have to work on character models for races or genders. And since we have two incomplete races, they should be finished first.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

They’ll probably do this in 6.0. Something tells me that the plump Miqo’te that will be in Shadowbringers are some kind of test for body shape options.

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Big fat no. They would have to rework 20000+ pieces of gear for every race/gender.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

Big fat no. They would have to rework 20000+ pieces of gear for every race/gender.

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If they reuse a model body from another race, they don't have to do that. The gear is already mapped to the skeleton. Ask anyone who has experience with how texture mods work, I don't though, don't ask me, I don't know anything about mods whatsoever.

They were considering it, but now that they caved to male viera and female furries it won't happen until 7.0.

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Originally Posted by manickitty

It's the most pressing issue and related to this topic. Artists would have to work on character models for races or genders. And since we have two incomplete races, they should be finished first.

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Its really not the most pressing issue, not by a long shot. There are WAY more important things than male bunny boys.

They should be on the bottom of the list.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

Its really not the most pressing issue, not by a long shot. There are WAY more important things than male bunny boys.

They should be on the bottom of the list.

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Different things are more/less important to different people. Isn't your call to make.

Making other models like Alph's playable wouldn't be any less intensive on the dev team having to make a plethora of cosmetic options AND having to fit armor models onto them than it would be for new races so I don't expect this to happen.

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Originally Posted by manickitty

It's the most pressing issue and related to this topic. Artists would have to work on character models for races or genders. And since we have two incomplete races, they should be finished first.

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It's not the most pressing issue. Requests for Highlander men to have proper eyebrows, for instance, have been made long before Viera were even officially announced. I hope that the gender lock is removed someday, though at the same time I'd rather see the existing playable races given some love as no new races should have been added in the first place until they were fixed.

Butt sliders are clearly the more pressing issue.

Idk about y'all but I'd rather have more badonkadonk in my trunk for all races.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Different things are more/less important to different people. Isn't your call to make.

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Okay sure, but something like male bunnys is not important. Its not going to make or break this game.

When you say its the most pressing issue, that means you are saying this is the #1 priority that needs to be addressed or it could hurt the game.

And my response to that is get real.

There are way more pressing issues like balancing the healers, and balancing in general. Need more end game content besides savage raiding. The end game is incredibly weak, and if they want people to stay active they need to fix that. Give people more things to do.

That is way more important than "Mah bunny bois" please, stop with the nonsense. The expansion isn't even out yet, and we have to put up with this non-stop whining? Hell this is gonna be possibly 2 years of people crying over this nonsense.

Keep your male bunny thing to a single thread and stop spreading it around.


/Rant over.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's not the most pressing issue. Requests for Highlander men to have proper eyebrows, for instance, have been made long before Viera were even officially announced. I hope that the gender lock is removed someday, though at the same time I'd rather see the existing playable races given some love as no new races should have been added in the first place until they were fixed.

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This is true too. I feel like a complete overhaul of the character creator is coming eventually since they already expanded it with all the customization they're letting people do with Viera/Hrothgar. My dream scenario would be them doing an overhauled character creator for 6.0 with the other gender options for Viera/Hrothgar to round out the races.

But as for the highlander eyebrow thing, I think the lore book says they did it out of mourning for their lost homeland. But since we fixed that in Stormblood you'd think your eyebrows would be growing back by now. :v

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Originally Posted by Lacan

This is true too. I feel like a complete overhaul of the character creator is coming eventually since they already expanded it with all the customization they're letting people do with Viera/Hrothgar. My dream scenario would be them doing an overhauled character creator for 6.0 with the other gender options for Viera/Hrothgar to round out the races.

But as for the highlander eyebrow thing, I think the lore book says they did it out of mourning for their lost homeland. But since we fixed that in Stormblood you'd think your eyebrows would be growing back by now. :v

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Mm. I'd rather see them hold off on everything until they can launch it all at the same time. A minor example would be the mannequins for player housing. We're being drip fed them on a patch by patch basis but they still haven't added Hyur yet which is the only one I'm really interested in.

As for the eyebrows, I'm aware of the lore excuse but not every Highlander hails from Ala Mhigo or even cares for it. Highlander women were added later on and weren't subject to such a tradition, which I'd say is pretty telling in itself.

Does every highlander face option lack eyebrows for men? That seems like such a bizarre thing.

Also the mannequin thing is weird. I'm surprised they didn't make hyur, the base human race, one of the first options.

I just hope they allow the selection of midlander or highlander separately when Hyur are added.

In my personal house I have my character's armory and it's lead to some funny RP moments though where people ask my highlander 'why are they all miqo'te mannequins.'

I actually want more faces and facial hair options for all races.

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Originally Posted by Derio

I actually want more faces and facial hair options for all races.

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More faces would be nice. For au ra specifically I'd also love it if they could separate face and horn styles.

Wouldn't new character models be the same as adding new races only bigger like a lot bigger since they would be expected to add new models to every race. The best you should hope for is more range on the height slider, more face models, and maybe a head size slider.

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Originally Posted by AvenoMatt

Wouldn't new character models be the same as adding new races only bigger like a lot bigger since they would be expected to add new models to every race. The best you should hope for is more range on the height slider, more face models, and maybe a head size slider.

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Yes please let me make a Roe like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFO9r2RUkAAPEjv.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Yes please let me make a Roe like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFO9r2RUkAAPEjv.jpg

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Omg I just made the weirdest laugh !!! This is awesome.

XD I mean OP says "More character models instead on new races" so they kinda invited everyone that wants the new races into the topic to say that they disagree. That is what a forum is for, just like some of ya'll keep coming into the Male Viera and Hrothgar threads and telling people you don't care and don't want them, we're allow to come in here and say we do want them instead of them focusing on the current races. Don't be hypocrites about it.

That said, I would love for the current races to get more options. I don't want child models to be playable though, It would be cool if we got expanded options like more faces, skin colors, hair colors. Maybe even more clans? Considering where we are going in the expansion, I hope they don't just reuse the color options we'll have on the source.

The color options shouldn't take too much work I would hope?

But since they did decide to only do half of the new races, I would like to see the missing genders before they decide to do anything big.

I know people will disagree and say they want the NPCs to remain unique, but I really would like to have Aymeric's face as an option for male elezen.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I know people will disagree and say they want the NPCs to remain unique, but I really would like to have Aymeric's face as an option for male elezen.

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Seconded. Also Alphinaud and Alisae models look very close to Hilda (or rather she looks a lot like them), who is a half-breed (go check that shit out). They already have these face options available (technically speaking); quite simply its allowing certain customization options to be cross-race (im pretty sure Aymeric has elements from the old elezen face--as does Baron Fortemps). Elezens need the most love as do male highlanders. Elezens need some of those softer Ishgard models and highlanders need some of the Garlean face options. I also dont want kid models but the other races could have some new nose/eye/mouth options that wouldnt break the game. But i doubt we'll see them until way later now that new races are coming.

Why not both? They could if they wanted to.

If they added more customization options for existing races I might actually use the other free fantasia I got during ARR. First one was used just to re-do my tail. I'd like to see more face, tail, ear options atleast.

Though I'll probably only make an alt to see Viera customization options it would be nice if they had a ears down option for them like Lops.

One can argue that the new races come with new models.

Kek.

I think the current races could really use some more features and that would be a good middle ground and compromise for people wanting more character customization options. I get that having sliders or body drastic changes is not possible, but they wouldn't need to change a whole lot of features nor animations or textures. Just create a new base for faces like they do with specific npcs. Perhaps a new eye or mouth shape if these aren't too hard...

I believe that at least two more face options for each race would make a huge difference and bring more diversity to the game, much like adding new hairstyles do. Of course, a hairstyle is much easier than a face for each race (one for each clan), but still, it's not a sophisticated and impossible request, at least imo.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

Seconded. Also Alphinaud and Alisae models look very close to Hilda (or rather she looks a lot like them), who is a half-breed (go check that shit out). They already have these face options available (technically speaking); quite simply its allowing certain customization options to be cross-race (im pretty sure Aymeric has elements from the old elezen face--as does Baron Fortemps). Elezens need the most love as do male highlanders. Elezens need some of those softer Ishgard models and highlanders need some of the Garlean face options.

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Do you mean Alphinaud and Alisaie have a similar face or body type to Hilda? Because if you're meaning body type, Hilda is (at a game-programming level) just a max-height Midlander with a unique face and modified ears.

Also, "Baron Fortemps" - I assume you mean Count Edmont - is actually using a modified version of Au Ra face #4. It's quite unmistakeable once you can see it.

And I'm not sure if it's an exact match, but I think Aymeric at least has similarities to Au Ra face #3 (the younger-looking one, eg. Sidurgu), and Lucia to female face #4 (eg. Sadu).

Those characters would have been worked on at the same time they were making the Au Ra race, so it seems like they might be doing some clever shortcuts on their workload there. I'm not complaining about it, but I think it's interesting to see that they did it.

It makes me wonder how many other "unique" NPC designs might be using the same tactic. It occurred to me yesterday that Asahi might have a Miqo'te face, but I need to have a closer look at that one.

I wish we would at least get more face paints and tattoos.

We got new face paints twice in ARR, but since then nothing was added anymore, only hairstyles.

They said they don't want to make any new races and adding a different body type to an existing race would require pretty much the same level of modelling work as adding a new race.

The issue is that each piece of gear added to the game needs to be adapted to fit every different model/skeleton type. That means that each race and each gender of each races requires separate work. If you add one race with two genders your increasing the workload for every item by two. It makes it harder and harder to add new items.

This is the reason they aren't promising adding the other genders of the new races yet. They need to figure out how they will manage the additional workload. Beyond that, I seriously doubt we will see any new model types for playable characters for the same reason. They are close to the limit of what they can manage at the moment and adding more will just mean we get less for what we already have.

New face and options for the existing customisations might be a thing that could happen though.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

Will you people stop!

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

And my response to that is get real.

There are way more pressing issues like balancing the healers, and balancing in general. Need more end game content besides savage raiding. The end game is incredibly weak, and if they want people to stay active they need to fix that. Give people more things to do.

That is way more important than "Mah bunny bois" please, stop with the nonsense. The expansion isn't even out yet, and we have to put up with this non-stop whining? Hell this is gonna be possibly 2 years of people crying over this nonsense.

Keep your male bunny thing to a single thread and stop spreading it around.


/Rant over.

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They shouldnt of added Hrothgar and Viera to begin with and allocate all resources to better balancing and more endgame content. They didnt, why?
Why dont you complain about that?

I would LOVE to have Cid's face as an option... or at least his hair/facial hair?

The other thing I'm really hoping for is that Hrothgar "fur" is more tied to hair instead of skin, so I can change my color at the aesthetician. A dream I'm sure, but I've still got my fingers crossed ;p

As the alt-o-holic I am, I support having more character models. I actually think that'd make me more excited than a new race, haha.