Re-done White Mage rework - re-explained

last time i want to apologize i left out a lot of the traits manly because. i didn't get a chance to have a translator from french to English to explain the changes so remade this post to try to explain every detail. so people don't rage think why their spells are not in the list.

Full white-mage rework -
lvl1 Stone
lvl2 Cure
lvl3 Aero
lvl8 Regan
lvl10 Raise
lvl12 Medica
lvl15 Water
lvl16 Stone> Stone II
lvl26 Water> Water II
lvl30 Cure> Cure II
lvl30 Tetragrammaton
lvl35 Aero> Aero II
lvl40 Holy
lvl40 Medica
lvl46 Water II > Water III
lvl50 Benediction
lvl52 Assize
lvl54 Stone II > Stone III
lvl56 Asylum
lvl58 Aero II > Aero III
lvl60 Water > Water IV
lvl62 Cure II > Cure III
lvl64 Stone III > Stone IV
lvl66 Divine Bension
lvl68 Aero III > Aero IV
lvl70 Plenary Indulgence
lvl72 Holy > Holy 2
lvl74 Quake
lvl76 Flood
lvl78 Twister
lvl80 Elemental Trance.


Traits
Elemental Guidance -
After you cast water - your current cure spell changes functions like current cure II"
After you cast stone - your current cure become heal over time effect that will last 30 seconds has large potency then regen
After you cast aero - your current cure spell will function like current "cure 3" with alot of improvements
these effects do not stack unless your under elemental trance

Traits - Pressense of Mind
at lvl35 all your spells will have 1.50 cast time. this includes holy (now you understand why i removed pressense of mind) now you have pressense of mind All of the time

Traits - Perfect Benediction - everytime you crit with with stone or water type spells you take 15 seconds off cool down also you watch is really too high currently to be functional

Traits - Holy Perfection - Holy becomes Holy 2 gains additional 200 Potency all target it hits have their damage reduced by 3% this can stack up 5 times (15% decrease) for 8-10 seconds (instead of stunning)

Elemental Mastery -
When you casted water spell - your medica spell will function like the current "medica II"
when you cast stone - medica spell will heal and instead of regan give a "stoneskin" effect to whole party and becomes instant cast
when you cast aero - medica have more potancy

--- how can tall what proc you have---
cures icon will change depending what element its infused with

lilys have been reworked for elemental trance just cant enter into trance you need get 3 lilys

you only enter elemental trace when actually have max lilys still effect assize and asylum cool downs. also effect few other special factors as well no longer consume lily's when you use these abilities
only consume lilies when whm trances

Elemental Trance - is a completely transformation - it is completely like Terra transforming very magic girl like


30% Damage increase
Higher movement speed (aka Haste ) this what really makes this ability - this make sprint look like a joke ((does not stack with sprint))
also floating in the air - alot boss abilities red circles on ground no long damage you while your in this form. this does not mange you invisabile to all attacks like hallowed ground only ground effect red circles type monster abilities
Regan, Medica and Asylum and Cure Heal over time potency is drastically increased. i would say about additional 120 potency added to them making heal over effects better
while in this form. cure and Medica has every single effect water,earth and aero added to them. giving them huge bonus
and your spells cost no mp (thin air) that why thin air been removed (thin air is awesome but thin air also boring not flashy at all)
now you two can be white mage beast looking sailor moon like creature....urm kinda...

cause of this "Awesome flash cleric stance thin air merger" thin air and cleric stance is removed omg that one sick skill

Divine Benson - changes
Instant cast - AOE
Buffs full raid
10% damage reduction from all sources
15% max hp to full party
20% additional healing from other abilities that are not your own - unless their heal over time effects

alot of whm spells are drasticly "Buffed and changed"

Plenary Indulgence - you gain 1 confession stack every time you cast elemental type cure or medica. spell still functions like it does now other functions as it does not just confession stacks are now perminately as your inside the team. and only stack on you


--------- Water ------- Very Simular to assize ----
Very High Damage
Instant cast
Restores MP
Low Cooldown

----- Flood ---
Low Damage AoE
Instant cast
Knocks All targets back thats infront of you
makes them take more damage for short duration (Debuff) (yay aoe trick effect effect)

---Twister----
Twister is strong aoe deals damage
has a cast time
All targets effected by aero will be pulled into a tight cluster of enemies making it easier to holy helping other teams deal with trade. need cast aero before you cast this


--- Quake--
Hits very very Hard
has a cast time
Heavy range
places 20-40% heavy all it hits good cc with high duration

regen level gained is been dropped cause feel whm needs that lowers levels then at lvl35 help teach class better to low levels. give understand what whm is about

this whm is damage and heal over time master

Regen, asylum - have been buffed

damage now effects what your cure and medica function they change based on what spell you cast

Aero - from very first time you get it functions like aero III its aoe from the the start

this would make whms rotation rather complex would require some thinking how you handle it

no longer do have deal with long and stupid competitive damage rotations

white mage becomes fun

now your aeros/stones actuallly do something

You wanted your stoneskin back well this way you cna make it work without button bloat

I really don't want hear complaints why i only have 1 cure spell

you one cure spell that does many different things and like swiss army knife of all heal spells

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

I really don't want hear complaints why i only have 1 cure spell

you one cure spell that does many different things and like swiss army knife of all heal spells

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You're still going to get lots of complaints about having only one cure spell. You haven't given your job design "a single swiss army knife spell". You are effectively requiring your job design to cast two spells in order to select the desired spell effect, while the current system lets us choose the effect by casting the single spell that has the effect we want. Your cure spell is not a good design.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

You're still going to get lots of complaints about having only one cure spell. You haven't given your job design "a single swiss army knife spell". You are effectively requiring your job design to cast two spells in order to select the desired spell effect, while the current system lets us choose the effect by casting the single spell that has the effect we want. Your cure spell is not a good design.

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you have to do something make the spell shift to desire mode. or switch gear. free cure procs cause you cast cure

how is it any different from when you cast stone,aero or another spell do the same - cure changes to a desired effect

thier has to be a trigger for a proc to work

white-mage should stick to fact that it is a "Healer that does a ton of damage those damage spells are what should give whm its ulitity watch would make it different then

You're forcing what currently takes one GCD of healing to take two GCDs. Worse, you're requiring that the first GCD have nothing to do with their role as healers.

And that's to say nothing of how overpowered the rest of your proposed action set would be.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Elemental Guidance -
After you cast water - your current cure spell changes functions like current cure II"
After you cast stone - your current cure become heal over time effect that will last 30 seconds has large potency then regen
After you cast aero - your current cure spell will function like current "cure 3" with alot of improvements
these effects do not stack unless your under elemental trance

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What is the point of this system? Why do damage spells have to be used to trigger healing spells? While I’m all for DPSing as a healer, this is needlessly cumbersome. The two systems should remain separate. Otherwise, should an emergency situation happen where you are having to heal more than normally, you must first cast a DPS spell to reach the appropriate healing spell needed. I don’t need to say what will happen if you’re currently jumping through hoops while the main tank eats back-to-back crit autos, or a DPS gets clipped by something.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Traits - Pressense of Mind
at lvl35 all your spells will have 1.50 cast time. this includes holy (now you understand why i removed pressense of mind) now you have pressense of mind All of the time

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While I agree that WHM could benefit immensely from a 1.5s cast time, it should be applied to Stone spells only. When AST received their 1.5s cast time buff, it was only on Malefic spells—all healing spells and Gravity still take a full GCD to cast; Gravity actually takes longer: it has a 3s cast time.

The entire idea is to balance healers against one another; not to break them.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Traits - Perfect Benediction - everytime you crit with with stone or water type spells you take 15 seconds off cool down also you watch is really too high currently to be functional

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Benediction works just fine with its current cooldown if you know how to time it. I don’t really see the need for critical hits to reduce its cooldown duration—especially by 15 second for each crit. This is something else that would outright break the job.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Elemental Mastery -
When you casted water spell - your medica spell will function like the current "medica II"
when you cast stone - medica spell will heal and instead of regan give a "stoneskin" effect to whole party and becomes instant cast
when you cast aero - medica have more potancy

--- how can tall what proc you have---
cures icon will change depending what element its infused with

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As with your Elemental Mastery suggestions for single-target healing spells, I have the same opinion of this as I do that. Healing should not be locked behind a DPS spell. The two systems should remain entirely separate.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

lilys have been reworked for elemental trance just cant enter into trance you need get 3 lilys

you only enter elemental trace when actually have max lilys still effect assize and asylum cool downs. also effect few other special factors as well no longer consume lily's when you use these abilities
only consume lilies when whm trances

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Elemental Trance aside, the Lily system in general would be more useful if it was completely removed from the game. As it stands now, the cooldown reductions on things like Assize and Tetra are minuscule gains at best—especially considering how inefficient it is currently to acquire lilies.

I’d rather see them removed entirely.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Elemental Trance - is a completely transformation - it is completely like Terra transforming very magic girl like

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Why do we need this? Are the things below included in this, or are they something separate?

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

30% Damage increase

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That better be on a super long cooldown if it’s a personal buff, and even longer if it’s a party buff. Even at it’s most broken, AST’s Balance was still only 10% AOE. I believe WHM should have utility in the form of some damage buff, but this is taking it way too far.

I think people would prefer healers to be balanced; not have one that is just so overpowered its ridiculous. Not even DPS have +30% damage increase buffs.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Higher movement speed (aka Haste ) this what really makes this ability - this make sprint look like a joke ((does not stack with sprint))

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I think Haste would serve a better function with increasing attack speed over movement speed.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

also floating in the air - alot boss abilities red circles on ground no long damage you while your in this form. this does not mange you invisabile to all attacks like hallowed ground only ground effect red circles type monster abilities

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Do you mean regular AOEs when you say red circles? What is the purpose of this invincibility? How long does it last? Hallowed Ground is 10 seconds on a 7-minute cooldown—if this ability lasts for longer than 10 seconds, it needs to be on an extremely long cooldown. Though, I don’t think this is really necessary.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Regan, Medica and Asylum and Cure Heal over time potency is drastically increased. i would say about additional 120 potency added to them making heal over effects better
while in this form. cure and Medica has every single effect water,earth and aero added to them. giving them huge bonus
and your spells cost no mp (thin air) that why thin air been removed (thin air is awesome but thin air also boring not flashy at all)

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The issue with this is that this game does not have enough outgoing damage in even the hardest content to warrant so much healing power. Healing spells in this game are already incredibly overpowered when you look at how much they heal for compared to the amount of damage a boss does.

WHM’s “raw healer”/“burst healer”/“pure healer” identity isn’t working for them currently. Giving them more healing won’t work either unless the developers actually make things hit hard in this game.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

now you two can be white mage beast looking sailor moon like creature....urm kinda...

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Please, no. There’s no need for this.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Divine Benson - changes
Instant cast - AOE
Buffs full raid
10% damage reduction from all sources
15% max hp to full party
20% additional healing from other abilities that are not your own - unless their heal over time effects

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So you want to make Divine Bension into BRD’s Troubadour Minuet + Troubadour Mage’s + raid-wide Nature’s Minne? All at the same time? That is a bit overkill. Some mitigative utility for WHM would be nice, but this is way too much. Especially when you already have a job that can provide two out of three of these already (Troubadour) and a single target boost of their own every 45 seconds (Nature’s Minne).

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Plenary Indulgence - you gain 1 confession stack every time you cast elemental type cure or medica. spell still functions like it does now other functions as it does not just confession stacks are now perminately as your inside the team. and only stack on you

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As it stands now, Plenary ends up being an overheal unless you are solo healing. I’ll say it again: giving WHM more healing capabilities will not increase its usefulness so long as battle content in this game continues to not deal massive amounts of damage.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

--------- Water ------- Very Simular to assize ----
Very High Damage
Instant cast
Restores MP
Low Cooldown

----- Flood ---
Low Damage AoE
Instant cast
Knocks All targets back thats infront of you
makes them take more damage for short duration (Debuff) (yay aoe trick effect effect)

---Twister----
Twister is strong aoe deals damage
has a cast time
All targets effected by aero will be pulled into a tight cluster of enemies making it easier to holy helping other teams deal with trade. need cast aero before you cast this

--- Quake--
Hits very very Hard
has a cast time
Heavy range
places 20-40% heavy all it hits good cc with high duration

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I’m not going to directly address all of these, because my post is already really long as it is, but I don’t think you have any idea what “balance” actually means. All this looks like to me is unnecessary buffs to completely break the job.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

regen level gained is been dropped cause feel whm needs that lowers levels then at lvl35 help teach class better to low levels. give understand what whm is about

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Lower level dungeons don’t really need regens, because they don’t hit hard enough and things die faster than your regens would take to expire.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

this would make whms rotation rather complex would require some thinking how you handle it

no longer do have deal with long and stupid competitive damage rotations

white mage becomes fun

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Honestly, I’d say this makes WHM’s DPS (and healing) rotations needlessly cumbersome for no reason. Cumbersome =/= fun, in my personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

You wanted your stoneskin back well this way you cna make it work without button bloat

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WHM doesn’t have button bloat as it is, though...

The Benediction thing is ridiculous, anyone who saves it specifically to use it as an emergency panic button is using it wrong.

I think you need to cool it with these Job rework ideas because I don't think you understand how the Job plays in the first place.

Unpopular opinion perhaps but... I do like some of the ideas presented here. Not all, but a few have some merits worth considering.

First, having offensive spells alter the effects of healing spells. Between SCH's fairy and AST's many instant heals, WHM is left with the most jarring transition between damage and healing. WHM in particular has unremarkable damage compared to SCH, and lackluster utility compared to AST.
A good way to kill all of these little birds with one stone would be to rework WHM to allow offensive spells to enhance their healing -- not directly retuning any existing skills or using the wholesale "battle healer" philosophy of substituting damage for healing, but definitely allowing the WHM to safely spend more time performing a DPS function with a lower cost to its healing.
However, while I'm all for such changes guiding a rework to the Lily Gauge, I'm uncertain it need be as extensive as presented here.

Secondly, reviving Water magic. If we're to consider that offensive spells alter the effects of healing spells, then having one more method to do so would be fitting.
The big concern I have is that, as a non-DPS, giving a healer access to a third offensive spell is not particularly intuitive, especially as Aero pulls double-duty as an instant on-the-go attack spell. Any spells introduced to a WHM's combat rotation need to be intuitive enough to use that you willingly weave them with Stone, without making the rotation complex enough to become "a full-time DPS who can also heal". Your group's survivability should be primarily dependent on your active healing, not replaced by DPSing.

For a simple example of a rework:

• Lilies now regenerate on their own over time (1 Lily generates every, say, 15-20 seconds), but have a high (50%+) chance to be generated by all Cure and Stone spells.
• Water is an oGCD that consumes a Lily to deal instant damage at no MP cost. Each cast of Water generates a stack of Lifestream, up to 3 stacks. Each stack of Lifestream reduces the cast time of your next non-instant healing spell by 20-25%.
  (Note: This could be the effect for Water II+ introduced after the Lily Gauge, with Water I as a 15-20 sec CD available until then and replaced at 52.)
• After level 30, each cast of Stone has a chance to generate a stack of Petrifaction, up to 3 stacks. Your next Cure consumes all stacks of Petrifaction, applying Stoneskin to the target for up to 15 sec, absorbing damage equal to 10-15% of the amount healed multiplied by the number of stacks consumed.
• Casting Aero will also refresh the duration of all active Regen effects within 15 yards that have been cast by you.

I recognize that the Lily Gauge example here bears passing similarities to a Scholar's Aetherflow, but bear in mind that this is just a sample. I have yet to even play around with the Lily Gauge enough to determine whether its current effects in the live-game should be removed from the abilities of the example here, so I am open to all forms of scrutiny from better-versed healers. I'd just as soon argue to have all cooldowns currently on the gauge reduced by 10-20% baseline though.

Some of this stuff...is a bit over the top. Like not only having divine Benison apply shield and increased healing along with holy lowering enemy damage? It would be very broken. I would reconsider attempting to tie things like medica2 regen effect to damage spells as that type of link makes little sense to me. Particularly when medica 2 is currently on tap and having to dps to use it is making it unnecessarily clunky...

I think for me white mage needs more flavour that isn’t tied to pure healing as that isn’t working for it in 3.0 or 4.0. Sch Shields are so strong in this game that they almost trump the need for a pure healer type (which is why ast is seen as the best partner for sch). I don’t know what sort of flavour white mage should have...I don’t envy the team that are reworking healers lol

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

The Benediction thing is ridiculous, anyone who saves it specifically to use it as an emergency panic button is using it wrong.

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But still an unstable skill. Losing bane is so annoying.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

The Benediction thing is ridiculous, anyone who saves it specifically to use it as an emergency panic button is using it wrong.

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I agree but Benediction is still broken with its lag time. Compared to Excog, which is super duper responsive even though it is a conditional buff instead of a direct heal. Cast Excog on a player with 25% HP and they are healed up with comparable speed to Essential Dignity. Benediction lags behind them both and there's no reason for that.

It needs fixed.

It should also be on a shorter cooldown or have some secondary effect to the player receiving the heal. Something.

Since you love so much to talk about WHM, stick to one thread only.
We don't need dozen of those especially when when it's from the same OP.

I didn't read most of the thread; I just want to say that it's post like this that are the reason that the devs are just ignoring all the white mage feedback they get here on the forums. There's 100 different people saying 100 different things and 98% of it is ridiculous.