Why is there still a limit on normal mode while Savage is open season?

Still limited to only 1 crystalloid per week from V12 while all of savage is unlocked with the tome cap doubled. Why?

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This is the first time this expac they've done this. Both in Deltascape & Sigmascape, the weekly limit on crystalloids were lifted at the same time the limits on Savage were. I'd like them to inform us why they chose this, lowkey hoping it was overlooked and will be addressed in the next hotfix patch.

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They should get rid of the limit for Orbonne Monastery too.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

They should get rid of the limit for Orbonne Monastery too.

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Especially considering it can now come up in alliance raid roulette. I believe it's this kind of set up that make players leave at the start, which happened only moments ago for the first time since I started running it :/

Good and valid question that is summarily ignored by the devs.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Good and valid question that is summarily ignored by the devs.

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Because the devs can't answer questions immediately after being posted. You have to wait for it to get picked up by the community team if they think it's a worthwhile question, translated, sent over, answered, retranslated, and then posted. Even if you do get an answer, it'll take a day or two.

We complain about nearly everything these days, Jesus...


As to the question, because savage is still limited by skill, and has mostly run its course. It's been like this every expansion if I remember right. The final 24man will be unlocked likely in 4.57 or 3.58 when they add the weapon upgrade item.

They want you to attempt Savage with the 10% nerf. Upgrade items are infinite from there - including the weapon upgrade. Seiryu EX are decent weapons still and no turn-in for the mount yet as they desperately try to keep it relevant.

3 or so months left, they'll probably slowly uncap the rest later. Perhaps the last patch which is just "various adjustments." Tomes are still only for un-upgraded gear and is still locked so Orbonne gear is still locked and having the coin unlocked would remove a Savage incentive. Crafted gear, etc.

People hate Eureka but you can get tome quality gear without the weekly lock from there, too if you do the work. Elemental gear is up to 390 but quite a lot of grind if you haven't touched it at all. I thought they would have nerfed Pagos again by now but nope.

They open Savage first because they know not a lot of people will do it, slowing gear farming than if they just opened up Orbonne and the floodgates.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because the devs can't answer questions immediately after being posted. You have to wait for it to get picked up by the community team if they think it's a worthwhile question, translated, sent over, answered, retranslated, and then posted. Even if you do get an answer, it'll take a day or two.

We complain about nearly everything these days, Jesus...

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With your join date you should know by now that

1) SE rarely comes to these forums and

2) Already has a set schedule they're not going to deviate from.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

With your join date you should know by now that

1) SE rarely comes to these forums and

2) Already has a set schedule they're not going to deviate from.

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Oh I'm aware of that. Hence why I said IF they decide to forward the question on. Se does visit the forums fairly often, its just the English forums are usually full of about 20 duplicate topics at a time, and thoughts are so scattered any response at all would likely be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

They want you to attempt Savage with the 10% nerf. Upgrade items are infinite from there - including the weapon upgrade. Seiryu EX are decent weapons still and no turn-in for the mount yet as they desperately try to keep it relevant.

3 or so months left, they'll probably slowly uncap the rest later. Perhaps the last patch which is just "various adjustments." Tomes are still only for un-upgraded gear and is still locked so Orbonne gear is still locked and having the coin unlocked would remove a Savage incentive. Crafted gear, etc.

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If you're talking about the dip to upgrade weapons, that's not what I was referring to. I was talking about the 4 crystalloids you need from normal mode to trade for the Military-grade Tomestone to GET the un-upgraded i390 weapon.
I can understand keeping the limit on upgrade items (the weekly coin from Monestary), since that results in i400 gear, same as Savage. But to still have gates on the 390 stuff (aside from the now doubled tome limit) this late in the tier is just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

If you're talking about the dip to upgrade weapons, that's not what I was referring to. I was talking about the 4 crystalloids you need from normal mode to trade for the Military-grade Tomestone to GET the un-upgraded i390 weapon.
I can understand keeping the limit on upgrade items (the weekly coin from Monestary), since that results in i400 gear, same as Savage. But to still have gates on the 390 stuff (aside from the now doubled tome limit) this late in the tier is just ridiculous.

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It's somewhat to keep Seiryu EX relevant. (free season weapons - adding a easy to get 390 weapon would reduce incentive) If you check the ending of Heavensward, they removed the gear (equivalent to the crystalloids) the same way. I personally am neutral about it, since that is the only thing keeping normal from dying off completely I see why they did it. At least they dropped the number from 7 to 4 way early this time. The military grade tome also drops from O10s as the full thing. Going by the timeline here this is about 2-3 weeks away unless they are stretching this to 4.58 which would add about another month.

3.57

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The weekly limitation on Alexandrian Gears received upon completing Alexander - The Soul of the Creator has been removed.

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The number of Alexandrian Gears required in exchange for Micro Tomestones has been reduced from seven to four.

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Dun Scaith has been adjusted as follows:

The weekly restrictions on rewards obtained from coffers has been removed.
The weekly restriction on obtaining Mhachi Shillings has been removed.

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Players can now exchange a Mhachi Farthing, Mhachi Penny, and Mhachi Shilling for a Deepest Gobdip by speaking with Bertana in Idyllshire (X:5.8 Y:5.2).

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Just go away with all those stupid limits... the times you hit a wall or waste time due not being able to get anything are annoying...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Just go away with all those stupid limits... the times you hit a wall or waste time due not being able to get anything are annoying...

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The limitations are there for 2 reasons. To keep people subbed and to reduce the gear gap early on.

which is invalid as we craft 380 or upgrade that to 390 and many dont even bother to get the capped gear. I know many who got sick of the hamsterweel and im annyoed not being able to gear up tank/heal/dps equally.

But as soon as i hit my caps or got my loot im done for the week and feel demotivated to do stuff as why? im wasting time. Heck not even the gap filler called mentor roulett is uncapped, the one roulett that helps with literally ALL ques...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

which is invalid as we craft 380 or upgrade that to 390 and many dont even bother to get the capped gear. I know many who got sick of the hamsterweel and im annyoed not being able to gear up tank/heal/dps equally.

But as soon as i hit my caps or got my loot im done for the week and feel demotivated to do stuff as why? im wasting time. Heck not even the gap filler called mentor roulett is uncapped, the one roulett that helps with literally ALL ques...

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I forgot they had upgraded crafted gear. However, upon going to turn some in for 390 stuff, I can't help but notice the return on the tokens doesn't equal what you put into it this time. Just the accessories, for example, give you 3 tokens each (6 if HQ), and take 9 to get a new one. So you can't just cash in your existing gear for better stuff like you could previously, making it useless unless you have multiple pieces of crafted unneeded gear to feed it.

Seriously, their attempts at keeping things relevant and keeping people playing is really making me just not want to play at all until July.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

I forgot they had upgraded crafted gear. However, upon going to turn some in for 390 stuff, I can't help but notice the return on the tokens doesn't equal what you put into it this time. Just the accessories, for example, give you 3 tokens each (6 if HQ), and take 9 to get a new one. So you can't just cash in your existing gear for better stuff like you could previously, making it useless unless you have multiple pieces of crafted unneeded gear to feed it.

Seriously, their attempts at keeping things relevant and keeping people playing is really making me just not want to play at all until July.

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It is equal tho. You may have been looking at the wrong thing, but it is 100% 1to1 for gear.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

which is invalid as we craft 380 or upgrade that to 390 and many dont even bother to get the capped gear. I know many who got sick of the hamsterweel and im annyoed not being able to gear up tank/heal/dps equally.

But as soon as i hit my caps or got my loot im done for the week and feel demotivated to do stuff as why? im wasting time. Heck not even the gap filler called mentor roulett is uncapped, the one roulett that helps with literally ALL ques...

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Depending on what you are doing the crafted gear, upgraded or not, is enough. People who did the full eureka tour can also keep that gear.
No one really needs ilvl 400 gear and even raiders need only optimized gear if they are doing speed kills.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The limitations are there for 2 reasons. To keep people subbed and to reduce the gear gap early on.

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Here we are at the end of the expansion and there's still "limitations".

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

I forgot they had upgraded crafted gear. However, upon going to turn some in for 390 stuff, I can't help but notice the return on the tokens doesn't equal what you put into it this time. Just the accessories, for example, give you 3 tokens each (6 if HQ), and take 9 to get a new one. So you can't just cash in your existing gear for better stuff like you could previously, making it useless unless you have multiple pieces of crafted unneeded gear to feed it.

Seriously, their attempts at keeping things relevant and keeping people playing is really making me just not want to play at all until July.

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I think you were looking at the turn in Rakshasa gear and not turn in the Rakshasa HQ gear. If you turn in HQ gear you will get enough per piece turned in to get a 390. So a HQ wep gives 27 tokens, and 27 tokens is required for a 390 wep.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Here we are at the end of the expansion and there's still "limitations".

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And it will change a bit later like it always did. Now they want to bring more people into savage, which is not a bad thing because some could find out that they really like it.