If there was an official poll for the missing genders' designs

With Mr. Happy's interview giving us a little bit more insight on the Hrothgar-Viera-development,
it seems the developers are -- since the period prior to Heavensward -- practically afraid to tackle unknown terrain in terms of the design for male Viera (Yoshi's wonderment: Would an Elezen-corpus with a Miqo'te-face be the right thing to do?), while expressing nevertheless strong interest into creating something different from the existing playable races.

Meanwhile, many players who care not for the bunny-boys tend to raise the "males-won't-be-the-way-you-would-expect-them"-flag --- and I for one wouldn't be surprised, if female Hrothgar would not necessarily appear like former Ronso-ladies, because the lion-men we got for FFXIV have not the same body-shape as those from X(-2). (Let's be honest: Expectations and hopes are usually prettier than reality turns out to be.)

Thanks to that, the situation as a whole looks very much like a dead-end.
Albeit SE obtains lots of feedback via the forum, the amount of (double-)posts as well as the language-differences considering everybody who's not capable of speaking Japanese really don't make it easy for them to get a proper résumé / conclusion. Also, all the salt between the camps of "Support male Viera / female Hrothgar" and "Don't care a >peep< for that" surely isn't fun to behold for the devs.

Hence, I was wondering:
If SE repeated, what they once had done for their Best-Of-FFXIV-music-album, wouldn't that help out very much IN CASE they create the missing genders in the future? A simple poll -- giving players clear options to pick, how they would prefer their male Viera and female Hrothgar at the most -- sounds to me like an option to get usable results from the community without receiving lots of chatting around each answer.

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->Just a few examples to give you an idea of what I mean:

a) Which size for bunny-boys? -
°Elezen / °Midlander / °Humanoid teens

b) Preferred male facetype? -
°Rough / °Mature / °Delicate

c) Rabbit-men with visible muscles? -
°Definitely / °No, rather normal-built / °No, better fragile as opposite to the females

d) What kind of bodyshape for Hrothgar-ladies? -
°Rectangle / °Round / °Hourglass

e) Lion-women as animalistic as -men in terms of body and head? -
°Yes / °Yes, but only face is animalistic / °No, complete design a little bit less animalistic

f) Favorite demeanor similar to female...? -
°Roegadyn / °Highlander / °Au Ra

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So, what do you guys think?

If an official poll for both missing genders' designs existed, would you be willing to do such a multiple-choice-test in order to clarify your imaginations?

Or would you ignore it since you're not caring at all for the whole Hrothgar-Viera-topic?

Just give us Matsuno's version of male Viera and be done with it. :v His opinion is what should count the most.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Just give us Matsuno's version of male Viera and be done with it. :v His opinion is what should count the most.

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Agree. Matsuno should at least get a say in how they're designed.

I don't understand why people think they would be small or delicate. The lore straight up calls them wild/feral and they live alone in the jungle how do you get small/delicate out of that?

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Originally Posted by spf1200

I don't understand why people think they would be small or delicate. The lore straight up calls them wild/feral and they live alone in the jungle how do you get small/delicate out of that?

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Well you don't need to be big to be wild and feral. Take a Wolverine for example.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

If SE repeated, what they once had done for their Best-Of-FFXIV-music-album, wouldn't that help out very much IN CASE they create the missing genders in the future? A simple poll -- giving players clear options to pick, how they would prefer their male Viera and female Hrothgar at the most -- sounds to me like an option to get usable results from the community without receiving lots of chatting around each answer.

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It should be becoming more obvious that SE ask it's players to decide new choices for them, since they apparently get them wrong anyways.

No more surprises guys, we'll run everything by you before we design it from now on.

I still say they should go for a midlander/highlander type split because no matter what they decide on, people will be upset, more so than with any other race/gender.

He actually said already how they could look: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/fin...r-trust-system

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If we did create a male design for the Viera, he would be quite elegant, handsome, and slim.

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If there is no mistranslation, ofc. Imo, this describing is good. "Slim" does not mean "skinny" after all, so they can be still muscular/athletic, just not bulky as Higlanders or Roe are.
He didn't say anything about females Hrothgars though, but for them we have representation in ff10.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

It should be becoming more obvious that SE ask it's players to decide new choices for them, since they apparently get them wrong anyways.

No more surprises guys, we'll run everything by you before we design it from now on.

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Listening to consumer bad, only positive feedback good.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

He actually said already how they could look: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/fin...r-trust-system



If there is no mistranslation, ofc. Imo, this describing is good. "Slim" does not mean "skinny" after all, so they can be still muscular/athletic, just not bulky as Higlanders or Roe are.

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I wouldn't put too much faith in that, he's straight up calling them redundant since they'd just be male elezen with bunny ears.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I wouldn't put too much faith in that, he's straight up calling them redundant since they'd just be male elezen with bunny ears.

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well, maybe. But they worked on females figures very well, so I'm sure they can do suitable representation for males too. From this point of view I would say that their old concept was slim enough.

Ronso with bunny ears

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I wouldn't put too much faith in that, he's straight up calling them redundant since they'd just be male elezen with bunny ears.

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Yet the females made it into the game just fine despite being exactly that, to the point it looks like they share a model. I really don't get him sometimes. Especially when if you look at lore, no race is redundant and can bring something to the table. A lot of people don't care about that but a lot of people also do and I wish he'd stop ignoring that when talking about adding races.
I have no interest in role-playing an Elezen male. I really wanna roleplay a male Viera. It's more than just aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I still say they should go for a midlander/highlander type split because no matter what they decide on, people will be upset, more so than with any other race/gender.

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Especially given that Feol Viera exist. So it's not people asking for things out of nowhere.

I doubt they will go with bunny boys that will appeal to pedophiles.I'm talking the delicate teen humanoid ones that some keep asking for.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Yet the females made it into the game just fine despite being exactly that, to the point it looks like they share a model. I really don't get him sometimes. Especially when if you look at lore, no race is redundant and can bring something to the table. A lot of people don't care about that but a lot of people also do and I wish he'd stop ignoring that when talking about adding races.
I have no interest in role-playing an Elezen male. I really wanna roleplay a male Viera. It's more than just aesthetics.



Especially given that Feol Viera exist. So it's not people asking for things out of nowhere.

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Eh, what'cha gonna do. Best to do is just keep spreading, apparently there's been a lot of pushback? against unlocking genders though, so good luck getting your feedback through.

Feol aren't that much shorter than full bloods right? and again foel are a mixed race, I doubt they'd make a subrace based on a mix race.

While personally I'd be very happy with more elezen-like height and features, I think it'd be more fitting as a race if they were closer to the female viera in height and build, close enough to not be able to tell their gender from a distance, just that it's viera.

I think the base model for male viera should be same as the female viera, just with a modified torso and different customization options.

I would love an official poll .
One that you get as soon as you login with the launcher , like the maintenance listing.
Once per account only, and for a fixed time , like two months.

A simple multiple choice one like :

Do you want male Viera ?
1) yes
2) do not care
3) no

If you choose [1) yes] , you can get more questions on how they look.

Something like that , I am sure others can put up better questions , but I do prefer simple and direct.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

I don't understand why people think they would be small or delicate. The lore straight up calls them wild/feral and they live alone in the jungle how do you get small/delicate out of that?

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Look up Honey Badger.

Honey Badger don't give a poop about anything.

On Topic:

I dunno... I kind of see them as like the halfway between Elezen and Roe. Like, Tall and Lean.

Those concept art bun dudes that got shown off ages ago looked real good imo.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I still say they should go for a midlander/highlander type split because no matter what they decide on, people will be upset, more so than with any other race/gender.

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The females of both Viera clans look similar tho, with just different shades of skin.
So the males most likely do as well.

I think the best that SE could do is to manage expectations. They could release another concept art of what they envision the male Viera would be and stick to it throughput the development.

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Originally Posted by Akonyl

Those concept art bun dudes that got shown off ages ago looked real good imo.

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This one?

https://nightwing.stevivor.com/wp-co...male-viera.jpg