[Dev Suggestion] About Male Viera

Yoshi P mentioned being worried about how the dev team was worried about how the community might take it if they release male Viera.
well there are 2 things that can be done here.
1. you could do an art contest and have the players give their artistic ideas of how they look.
or 2. you could just make them yourselves as you are developers in the FF series.



personally I would love to see a design contest but overall FF XIV being the first to actually show Male Viera would be really cool either way.

if you like this idea be sure and click like in this post

This needed a new thread when you could have responded in the tons of threads about this topic already?

I didn't see a single one that made a suggestion like an art/design contest, feel free to point me to it

Option 3 is they do the math and decide it isn't worth the resources to implement.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Option 3 is they do the math and decide it isn't worth the resources to implement.

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Which would be understandable. Making a race is a lot of work. They have to take every piece of old gear into account and morphs.

tbh genderlock races would be a issue if their was no gender lock cloths at all

i mean id make a male ronso due 2 lock however i wont because genderlock on cloths or i would make one wearing spring dress

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Option 3 is they do the math and decide it isn't worth the resources to implement.

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I dunno if the math says that man...

Lets take the closest race/gender combo to male Viera. Male catboys. Fourth most active race/gender combo, third most created. Obvious interest in the human-boys-with-animal-ears already from that stat but lets make some comparisons. To be fair lets be pessimistic and say male Viera will only be half as played as male miqote since they're competing with them for animal-ear-boy you've got a number of 29.9k.

Least played gender/race option is FemRoe. Apparently worth the resources to add. 7.1k active players. less than a fourth of our hypothetical number... It doesn't look like "Number for it to be worth it" is much of an argument against it.

Though times were definitely different then, they had years to work on revamping the game and already had the ungenderlocked model, and maybe they think it was a mistake and wish they had created more genderlocked races instead.

So lets compare it to some hypothetical hrothgar numbers. Lets say Hrothgar does extremely well. And I really hope they do. And they become more popular than their closest race, Roes, both genders included. Thats 23.4k thats still less than a hypothetical half-the-catboy-population male Viera...

Alright but maybe this hypothetical is a stupid one. Hrothgars are like roes body type wise and male Viera would probably be like Elezen. So lets compare male Roes to male elezen in play numbers... Male elezen beat male roes by 4k active players. Obviously I removed the ludicrously optimistic Hrothgar prediction for this one, but you get my point.

Ah! but male Viera aren't an iconic fantasy race like elves. They're elves with things on their heads. So maybe we should use Au Ra male numbers... But those are even higher, coming out at 36k, more than the entire roe race again.

If we do the pessemistic 1/2 split for male Au Ra they don't quite make the cut of being more popular than the optimistic "entire Roe race" but are still more popular than male roes by 2.5k. And I definitely think male roes were worth the time to be made playable!

Not that I don't get it, marketing "Two new races!" is fantastic, and people have wanted a more "beast" like race for years. I'm super excited for Hrothgar. But if they were worth it then by the numbers game Male Viera definitely were.

People are getting the wrong idea. It isn't up to us to create Viera; A pre-existing race with lore and all. FFXIV just simply implemented what they know already AKA Fran and the other females that are shown.

For it to be a contest seems disrespectful to Matsuno. We already know a rough layout of what the Viera's are, how they behave and how they live. Even with the male we know a lot just not what they look like. It only seems appropriate to let him create the male counterpart in his image.

They should really get Matsuno to help or chime in what they think male viera should be
He is also not a fan of gender lock

This isn't the sort of thing that companies would outsource to an art contest for fans.

They do their occasional contests to design one costume, or one piece of furniture, that will go into the game alongside many others - but designing an entire race is on a completely different level to that.

I honestly think the path of least resistance would be to go with the adult, beefy-Elezen looking male Viera designs from The Concept Art™. It's cohesive with the female design, many people have been exposed to it for years, it's a design they already have and might need to invest less work in. Will it please everyone? No, of course not, but then nothing ever will. Even a contest will show many different approaches, some of which will be shunned and rejected, or abandoned due to implementation difficulties (which is another reason why going with something similar to the females, which they already managed to implement, makes sense).

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Option 3 is they do the math and decide it isn't worth the resources to implement.

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There's over 1000 people who agree with adding Male Viera in that other post and that's just players who actually visit the forums. You people are the odd ones out here.

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Originally Posted by wylantar

There's over 1000 people who agree with adding Male Viera in that other post and that's just players who actually visit the forums. You people are the odd ones out here.

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People say they want things, then never actually use them.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Option 3 is they do the math and decide it isn't worth the resources to implement.

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It's going to suck if updates to the existing playable races are delayed/abandoned as a result of this mess. I'd have preferred not to have any new playable races in favour of more customisation for what we have already.

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Originally Posted by wylantar

There's over 1000 people who agree with adding Male Viera in that other post and that's just players who actually visit the forums. You people are the odd ones out here.

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It's not difficult for people to click the 'like' button during the latest outrage. I think the gender lock is silly, though it's not exactly a good thing for the community to be so outraged over it when there's much more pressing issues that affect far more players. The dire state of PvP and player housing being two prime examples.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's not difficult for people to click the 'like' button during the latest outrage. I think the gender lock is silly, though it's not exactly a good thing for the community to be so outraged over it when there's much more pressing issues that affect far more players. The dire state of PvP and player housing being two prime examples.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the outrage if we can just keep it contained to one topic. There doesn't need to be a dozen topics all about the same thing. Keeping it contained to the single thread makes it easier for SE to review the feedback anyway. But with how the community works, I doubt we're going to see any other issues get any kind of real attention while we have the giant elephant in the room that is the 5.0 genderlocks. :v Sad but true.


Things might get better after they issue a statement on the board like they're considering. Just a simple, "they're coming! Please look forward to it!" would be enough to deescalate the situation. You'll still have people asking "When are they coming?" but it won't be the giant outpour we have right now.