Scholar Changes For Better Life

I just want Scholar to be less clunky as a healer. Honestly at this point I would go so far as to say i rather have my pets skills on my Job instead of having the free mp heals the pet gives.

To this end i have an idea on changing pet mechanics in general but all this comes from a focus on Scholar. Basically I want to remove the pet as a separate entity. Remove it from the party list and make it more of a sprite that is attached to its caster giving them access to its heals and skills while removing the management of their position on the field. This also implements a balance change for Scholars.

So far Scholars are the one class that does not have a instant cast heal spell. By applying fairies to the Caster, the Fairy will be allowed to heal while the caster is moving and the fairy moving with it. While the fairy will still technically be casting the skill, it will do so while on the move. Thus giving it the same implications as an Astro using aspected benifict and white mage using regen.

this will also remove fairies taking damage from persisting dot aoes that they will have to travel through to get in position to cast aoe skills or use unity.

All in all this could be implement to all pets making Summoner have a slight change to play style by which pet they summon, ifrit being a summoner who fights in melee range and Garuda being at caster range. The only pet this would possibly not work with is titan but for a summoner who uses Titan in solo content, Casting Titan can either put cover on the summoner if you still want to implement pet HP or Summoning Titan Reduces Damage taken by summoner and/or increases the summoners Vitality making Titan still preform as intended in solo content.

Just an idea that i personally would like to continue using these classes but otherwise as a lot of people put it, "If you don't like the class you're playing then play something else."

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

So far Scholars are the one class that does not have a instant cast heal spell.."

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In comparison to other healers, the abilities through Aetherflow are instant cast. Why does SCH need to have insta-spells when it has powerful abilities? If the fairy follows the master then Fae Union needs total rework as that would require the SCH to be close to the intended target at times it doesn't really need to be.

True we do have Aetherflow and that helps but not of those abilites can just be used on demand. for Example, if im out of aetherflow and its on cooldown still i cant use any ability, also, most of my Aoe abilities have a cool down on top of the need for Aetherflow.

As far as fey union goes honestly i dont use the skill. some might say that a bad thing but to lock your fairy to do a heal over time for the same amount or less than physic just doesnt seem like a good trade. I can get more healing done by having the fairy cast Fey illumination on my position and then arouse whispering dawn. this would be effective healing for at least 30 second on the party instead of just one target and helps scholar where they are the weakest which is Aoe healing. Honestly i would trade Fey Union for a skill that placed my fairy and healed in and aoe for lower potency then have the tether ability which just continues the single target healing that scholars already have.

Ok so because you mentioned it, Rouse does NOT effect Whispering Dawn. Illumination doesn't effect it either because Rouse only buffs spells, and WD is an ability (not spell). As for aoe heals, you have Emergency Tactics to use on low CD for extra Succor heals if required, the Quickened Aetherflow trait allows AF to be up more often, plus if things get really desperate, there is Disapation as well. Indomitability can be very powerful when used correctly, it's just all about that timing, but SCH isn't that bad with aoe heals.

Fey Union is the strongest MP free regen in the game (at 480 potency) and you would benefit using this far more than spamming Physick (400 potency), so it's definitely not the same or weaker. You can also stop the fairy at any time during Union should you need them to do something else, so you have complete freedom in this regard.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Ok so because you mentioned it, Rouse does NOT effect Whispering Dawn. Illumination doesn't effect it either because Rouse only buffs spells, and WD is an ability (not spell). As for aoe heals, you have Emergency Tactics to use on low CD for extra Succor heals if required, the Quickened Aetherflow trait allows AF to be up more often, plus if things get really desperate, there is Disapation as well. Indomitability can be very powerful when used correctly, it's just all about that timing, but SCH isn't that bad with aoe heals.

Fey Union is the strongest MP free regen in the game (at 480 potency) and you would benefit using this far more than spamming Physick (400 potency), so it's definitely not the same or weaker. You can also stop the fairy at any time during Union should you need them to do something else, so you have complete freedom in this regard.

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I'm starting to think you havent even played shcolar. Fairy potency is less than 50% of that of scholar. Fey Union might say its 480 potency but you obviously havent checked the actually number healed for side by side with the fairy. the fairy literally only heals close to as much as the scholar when it is roused. As far as rouse and illumination go with fairy skills you are right, which only helps to show how week they are.

Just tested Union and it heals for 7000-8000 per tic and does not get any buff from anything. physic heals for 9000+ per cast which is a second faster seeing as it takes 3 seconds for a tic of regen and 2 for a cast. The amount Union heals for is not equal the the amount a roused fairy with fey illumination can heal for while whispering dawn tics off. all these things work better for the party then one person getting fey union and the fairy focusing on only healing one person way over why they need anyways and not stopping without manual input, taking away form your ability to respond to all the other things going on while managing the fairy.

Emergency tactics is nice but the amount of mechanics that require a aoe heal spam like ahkmorn have increased. one emergency tactics cast and one indom in the span of 30 seconds will not be enough to heal through this. not that its not possible but the amount of MP it cost for a scholar to cast succor constantly is much higher than other healers but if we are the only healer cause of the other dying or some other reason then we have to choice and are left with no mp after. Its not that we cant do it its just much more cost to us than others. Lucid dream and aether flow will help us recover but they do not instantly replenish mp and if everyone is getting hit still with attacks an whm and astro have a great advantage in dividing its heals then scholar who can only cast 3 aoe heals, (whispering, indom, succor) and 2 of those being on a 30 and 60 second cool down.

I can only assume you have not been using SCH for that long as unless you are doing savage/ultimate content, you shouldn't really be having this many issues. Seems there are things you can probably actually improve on yourself, so wish you the best with that.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I can only assume you have not been using SCH for that long as unless you are doing savage/ultimate content, you shouldn't really be having this many issues. Seems there are things you can probably actually improve on yourself, so wish you the best with that.

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Scholar has been my main since ARR and i have done all sorts of content and these issues are a problem when doing harder content. All the content matters and even if its not an issue unless im doing savage raids or exstream trials, these issues should be addressed. People complain about scholars being op but to me it seems no one has actually ran the numbers and understood why scholars have some of the hardest times.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

Scholar has been my main since ARR and i have done all sorts of content and these issues are a problem when doing harder content. All the content matters and even if its not an issue unless im doing savage raids or exstream trials, these issues should be addressed. People complain about scholars being op but to me it seems no one has actually ran the numbers and understood why scholars have some of the hardest times.

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I agree with the sentiment that you don't get how good scholar really is then. If the fairy isn't healing a lot it's usually because they don't have a target that the AI wants to heal. In which case I'd say you need to be more patient and hold off on adlo/physick spam, place it closer to the tanks but not in cleave range, and trust that it'll heal people over time. The only thing I struggle with on Scholar is running out of back to back AoE healing options, which literally only happens if the other healer is dead and I go through a priority list of Succor (if I know the shield is needed) into Indom/Deploy/ET depending on context, and alternate between those options till all I have left is reshielding a Succor. By the point all of those are on cooldown at once the raid is either dead or over the hurdle and you can Whispering Dawn and/or Rouse and start focusing on Raises while Indom and ET cool down for the next sequence of mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

I agree with the sentiment that you don't get how good scholar really is then. If the fairy isn't healing a lot it's usually because they don't have a target that the AI wants to heal. In which case I'd say you need to be more patient and hold off on adlo/physick spam, place it closer to the tanks but not in cleave range, and trust that it'll heal people over time. The only thing I struggle with on Scholar is running out of back to back AoE healing options, which literally only happens if the other healer is dead and I go through a priority list of Succor (if I know the shield is needed) into Indom/Deploy/ET depending on context, and alternate between those options till all I have left is reshielding a Succor. By the point all of those are on cooldown at once the raid is either dead or over the hurdle and you can Whispering Dawn and/or Rouse and start focusing on Raises while Indom and ET cool down for the next sequence of mechanics.

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I don't think you understand the issues fundementally. All I want is for the fairy to no longer be a free roaming entity and to stop taking damage. I want the fairy tool tips to stop saying things are a certain potency when they are not comparatively that potency to my scholar, and I want people to understand that a 300 potency adlo is weaker in counter part to a 700 potency cure 2 which is its equivelent between scholars and white mage making it so people understand scholars arent op in any way. They are fundemently diferent and currently very clunky to play do to the mixed skills that they get from arcainest seeing as physic is the only heal scholar gets from 1 to 30 and the other healers have multiple healing capubilities from these levels and then some from the past 2 expansions.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

I don't think you understand the issues fundementally. All I want is for the fairy to no longer be a free roaming entity and to stop taking damage. I want the fairy tool tips to stop saying things are a certain potency when they are not comparatively that potency to my scholar, and I want people to understand that a 300 potency adlo is weaker in counter part to a 700 potency cure 2 which is its equivelent between scholars and white mage making it so people understand scholars arent op in any way. They are fundemently diferent and currently very clunky to play do to the mixed skills that they get from arcainest seeing as physic is the only heal scholar gets from 1 to 30 and the other healers have multiple healing capubilities from these levels and then some from the past 2 expansions.

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Then macro your fairy. I have embrace macro'd to physick and a few other abilities for when I want a targeted heal and it works perfectly fine. I've never had an issue with my fairy healing the wrong target. Also there is a reason you stack crit materia as a SCH. A normal adlo might seem low potency at first, but if you crit it's actually incredibly useful and can almost negate some types of room wide AOE if done correctly. It was never meant to be a counterpart to Cure 2 either, so I'm not sure why you're even comparing them. SCH isn't about reactive healing, we're about preventative healing and in that sense our tool kit is incredibly well suited for our playstyle. If you're playing to react to damage rather than playing to prevent it of course it's going to feel clunky. A SCH who has familiarized themselves with an instance and knows when to put out shields is invaluable.

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Originally Posted by Enla

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This guy gets it.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

I don't think you understand the issues fundementally. All I want is for the fairy to no longer be a free roaming entity and to stop taking damage. I want the fairy tool tips to stop saying things are a certain potency when they are not comparatively that potency to my scholar, and I want people to understand that a 300 potency adlo is weaker in counter part to a 700 potency cure 2 which is its equivelent between scholars and white mage making it so people understand scholars arent op in any way. They are fundemently diferent and currently very clunky to play do to the mixed skills that they get from arcanist seeing as physic is the only heal scholar gets from 1 to 30 and the other healers have multiple healing capubilities from these levels and then some from the past 2 expansions.

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I'm a SMN main, trust me when I say learn to position and rely on your pet better. I've gotten Carbuncle cleaved multiple times because I forgot to pull it back after M/F charges in O12S and the O11S tank buster way too many times. Why? Bahamut resummons. Learn to place your pet before each battle and Heel it when you want to follow you. The fact that the fairy is an independent entity actually winds up being a massive benefit. Especially in ARR where you can actually get by not casting a single healing spell with proper use of Whispering Dawn and Rouse, and once you get Deploy you get the ability to get double shield value out of your Succor by utilizing her. The only time I ever really have to cast Succor in ARR is when I know back to back AoE is involved in a trial. You can leave people at half health then prep for the next AoE with another Succor in dungeons. Once you have Indom (which is literally level 52) you're set for every single instance afterward. Hell I did a re-level on SCH just to see if it was a gear issue and it wasn't. The only time I had to cast Physick remotely close to the manner you're referring to was during Brayflox, and it wasn't even bad compared to what I had to do on WHM and AST.

Adlo is 600 potency, 300 heal + 300 Shield. Not 300 potency divided into a heal and shield, and that shield portion is doubled on a crit. It's weaker than Cure/Benefic II because it's a shield. It's for mitigation purposes first, throughput second.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

I want people to understand that a 300 potency adlo is weaker in counter part to a 700 potency cure 2 which is its equivelent between scholars and white mage making it so people understand scholars arent op in any way. They are fundemently diferent and currently very clunky to play do to the mixed skills that they get from arcainest seeing as physic is the only heal scholar gets from 1 to 30 and the other healers have multiple healing capubilities from these levels and then some from the past 2 expansions.

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To be fair, Adlo is actually 600 potency. 300 cure, 300 shield, putting it in the same ballpark range as Cure II and Benefic II. Part of the reason for the slightly lower base potency is Adlo's crit effect. Crit Adlo doubles the shield effect, so we're looking at a 600 potency shield on top of a 300 potency cure crit. This also allows Adlo to work better in situations where your target may be topped off, but substantial damage is incoming. You get a shield that just about blocks the same amount of damage that a Cure II or Benefic II would have healed.

Adjust your timings accordingly. The potency is there, you just have to cast preemptively instead of reacting.

Edit: ^ what he said.

I had just recently reworked my keybindings to accommodate my fairy while still having the buttons available to other jobs, and it's honestly quite phenomenal how good sch feels to play when you can make a setup that allows you to micro manage your pet.

Placing her properly, for example, allows you to heal the tank when a mechanic forces you to go to Africa to drop a mechanic. Quite frankly if you have an issue with your pet dying it's because you placed her in a spot where a tank buster can cleave her, as that's really the only thing that can damage pets as far as I'm aware of.

Properly placing her to both optimize her uptime and keep her from getting cleaved is one of those many things that makes your gameplay much smoother and more rewarding.

I'm confused. There's hardly anything clunky about sch. The only clunky thing I can think of is the faerie's reactivity on embrace. Also removing the micromanagement and placement of the faerie is a terrible idea. It's invaluable to be able to place her where you aren't and have her heal/buff/serve as a deploy base.

Now sure, if your co healer is dead and everyone is low health with back to back aoes coming. It's tedious. But how much advantage do we have in exchange? SCH is totally OP on literally everything else. Let the WHM shine in clutch scenarios, god knows they need it.

Anyways, your faerie should be providing a good 50% of your healing, so it's not like we need much of a toolkit in the first place. And what we have is so overkill that 90% of our aetherflow stacks go into energy drain. More healing power really isn't needed.

Sch is the only “S tier” healer in the game, Ast is not bad and Whm is dead.

If you look the reports from savage no other class can beat them in healing or dps when you try hard. Sch is a ogcd god. When youadd Dissipation on your rotation, an ability that should be the last resource become broken because how Aetherflow works now with the lv 68 traits.

Also with this critical hit stat been unbalanced, the Aldo crits can be almost forced in a point that is considered unlucky not get then. Also succor 150% shields is a beast.

Is possible to solo healing o12s as a Sch the full fight. Their biggest weakness is not a problem at all.

No change for you.
SCH is already the best healer by a fair margin in every category that is relevant to FFXIV gameplay. WHM seems to be in the wrong MMO and AST is the confirmed second banana.
If anything, I would love to see a heavy SCH nerf! It is ridiculous when Scholar's "niche" is everything.


P.S. Bitter WHM here!

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Originally Posted by NYCAcimStudent

No change for you.
SCH is already the best healer by a fair margin in every category that is relevant to FFXIV gameplay. WHM seems to be in the wrong MMO and AST is the confirmed second banana.
If anything, I would love to see a heavy SCH nerf! It is ridiculous when Scholar's "niche" is everything.


P.S. Bitter WHM here!

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"Every niche"? I'd rather have a white mage's regen/medica II (its 2 right??) with me over Eos' WD in heavy damage control situations, especially cause in my experience alone, astrologians are sketchy, FAR sketchier than any whm I've co-healed with (including the ones who just keep dying and make me waste constant mp on them and getting no refreshes or mana shifts from ranged or casters to offset the overdrive).

Also, I feel that groups with sch/whm just end up smoother (defensively speaking) than with sch/ast like so many claim no matter what role I end up playing. Maybe that's just me though.

What i want for sch is:

Broil
Cast 1.5s
Recast 2.5s

Would be much better for clipping :>

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Originally Posted by NYCAcimStudent

P.S. Bitter WHM here!

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the biggest Problem of WHM is, that you don't need Cure3. Astros Star + Collevtive are rly good compared with a sch
So a WHM only shines good in bad groups and pf party, when ppl don't know what they do ^^

You were 6 days early for creating a joke like this. Sch is the best healer by far. Astro can’t fill his spot atm. Almost no one plays Astro/whm, because sch is busted and he had enough quality of life changes and when people say then think fairy isn’t strong it’s a free Regen the entire fight with extra abilities, and they are on a short cd

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Originally Posted by Foxkid

"Every niche"? I'd rather have a white mage's regen/medica II (its 2 right??) with me over Eos' WD in heavy damage control situations, especially cause in my experience alone, astrologians are sketchy, FAR sketchier than any whm I've co-healed with (including the ones who just keep dying and make me waste constant mp on them and getting no refreshes or mana shifts from ranged or casters to offset the overdrive).

Also, I feel that groups with sch/whm just end up smoother (defensively speaking) than with sch/ast like so many claim no matter what role I end up playing. Maybe that's just me though.

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It's just you, and that Astro. AST/SCH is the superior tandem, and has been for almost two years now.

Indom is the best oGCD in the game, and Scholars usually make Medica 2 end up in overheal.

i hope you scholar players know that your job is getting shafted with a-lot of nerfs in shadowbringers. that being said urm doesn't mean not getting new skills. all this talk bout scholars getting new broken stuff when scholar most broken healer atm. that and astra

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

i hope you scholar players know that your job is getting shafted with a-lot of nerfs in shadowbringers. that being said urm doesn't mean not getting new skills. all this talk bout scholars getting new broken stuff when scholar most broken healer atm. that and astra

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Source please, or you're full of shit.

Heh, if the OP wants to understand clunky, play a WHM, where you get to hardcast almost everything. Theres a reason the strat of whm and another healer is the other healer does most the healing.

If you don't like managing your pet then change to the other healers. Seriously. lol
Also, SCH has always had hands down the best single target healing since ARR with all the oGCD skills and macro'd (manual) Embrace.
Your problem may be over-shielding or letting the fairy not do anything unless someone's HP goes below 80%?
I really don't recall the last time I used Physick.
It's just a "damn-it" spell for DPS's who don't dodge AoEs and you don't want to waste Aetherflow on them.

isn't scholar already the mechanically superior healer? It has soo much more movement/free healing than others like whm.