Pretext: I don't care much about SB (which one? You decide!), my laptop probably won't meet the benchmark and I'm not dropping $700+ just to buy the expansion and new hardware. But...
- No new healer
- The long-anticipated Dancer's a DPS despite historically doing (de-)buffs more than damage
- Gender-locked roles
- Missed a chance to show off the vicious, stealthy male Viera
- Hrothgar looks low-quality, like it's unfinished art
- April Fool's Day is only a little more than one week after the fanfests.
Anyone else got an inkling this is a setup?
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03-25-2019, 12:47 AMKikoriLThinking about it... Has Square been prepping for April Fool's?
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03-25-2019, 12:48 AMDawntrackerYes. there is no expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by KikoriL
April fools! -
03-25-2019, 12:57 AMcicatriz313
What's funny is people see what they want to see. People said the Viera trailer was low quality unfinished goods too. Now they're saying look at how better Viera looks compared to Hrothgar!
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03-25-2019, 01:01 AMThefatesThey were saying Viera looked unfinished because they didn't show a lot of variety. Not many people were saying that what was shown actually looked bad, except maybe their emotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by cicatriz313
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03-25-2019, 01:03 AMIllianaro
I'm inclined to doubt SE would set up an April Fool's prank quite as elaborate as you're suggesting, though some things I personally wish could be revealed as jokes. But, to quote Wheel of Time: "If wishes were wings, pigs would fly."
Now, I'll set up a reminder, and if April 1st comes round and this does come to pass, I'll come back here and eat my crow. -
03-25-2019, 01:05 AMKikoriLFreshly Googled, I'm gonna start using that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illianaro
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03-25-2019, 01:07 AMIllianaroSounds delicious, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by KikoriL
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03-25-2019, 01:13 AMSkivvy
My take on the items:
- No new healer - This is a bit odd to me, but Ranged DPS also only has 2 jobs ATM as well.
- The long-anticipated Dancer's a DPS despite historically doing (de-)buffs more than damage - My only experience with DNC is from XI. In XI, it can toss out some buffs, true, but it can hold its own as a DD as well. I'm totally OK with this one myself.
- Gender-locked roles - - I'm personally mixed on this one. I didn't think SE would go the gender-lock route, especially after they brought in female highlanders, male miqo'te, and female roegadyn. I do feel for the people who were looking forward to playing that male viera and I get the disappointment. On the flip side, I sort of like some gender locked races (again, like in XI). It does make them stand out more, brings a bit of uniqueness to the race itself. I have played games where I couldn't pick the gender I wanted, and that bummed me out a bit, but I ended up with something else that I ended up loving so all was well.
- Missed a chance to show off the vicious, stealthy male Viera - I liked this version presented(sorry I don't know how to insert links properly) https://i.imgur.com/ECtaVNx.jpg. I think the male would have been just fine. SE alone knows the real reason why they weren't implemented. People need to stop with all the insane accusations.
- Hrothgar looks low-quality, like it's unfinished art - I actually like em :X -
03-25-2019, 02:16 AMRacen
All you people complaining about no new healer, well I haven't had a new ranged physical job since Heavensward either and there are only two of them. Seems like bringing it up to speed with all the other roles is just as important as a healer. Also BRD is the only legitimate choice for ranged physical atm because MCH is awful to play if your ping is higher than 50ms.
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03-25-2019, 02:18 AMAraminaNot even a little bit. I know we want to try to stretch things as far as we can to make it seem like we really aren't going without a healer, but I think it is time to face reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by KikoriL
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03-25-2019, 02:24 AMFawkes
They'll probably just change our forum avatars to Viangaas, or show a fake scene of the new Dad of Light movie where Yoshi plays the drunk uncle.
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03-25-2019, 02:28 AMGreven
It would be a big release if they say no male viera and new healer were April fools
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03-25-2019, 02:33 AMhasanaSorry I must ask but what's your point here?Quote:
Originally Posted by KikoriL
If that doesn't suit the fantasy of the dancer because it is a buff/debuff class/job it doesn't fit Tank/Healer either.
Also a dancer is obviously someone dancing which means they move their body with grace and elegance and what stat does fit better between Intel, Mind, Strength and Dexterity? -
03-25-2019, 02:43 AMAndevomHistorically? Dancer isn't even all that common a job in the series, and in XI, I'd be floored if anyone ever seriously said "We have a DNC, we're set with heals". Other games make the job almost like a berserker, where dancing completely disables your ability to control the character, and certainly not a source of reliable heals (and that sure as hell wouldn't work in an MMO). It's like people think any job that had some healing abilities in the past should automatically be made full fledged healers in XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by KikoriL
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03-25-2019, 02:49 AMKikoriLKeep in mind I care little about the actual end result of what comes out; I'm poking fun at the controversy and trying to spark jokes like those on the first page.Quote:
Originally Posted by hasana
But being serious? The healer trinity currently has White Mage filling gaps in health bars, Scholar preventing gaps in health bars, and Astrologians tilting to fit the missing hole. All three are ranged offense when it's their turn to DPS.
If we assume Lyse's new poses and garbs were the precursor for Dancer's style (which many people I know did), we could have looked forward to a very unique take on a healer: Melee, likely building dance-related energy as their gauge via damage being done, with a focus on versatile (de-)buffs as their trick instead of healing big numbers or preventing damage. To say (de-)buffs don't fit the Healer job is to ignore their prior history of slowing, sleeping, and crippling stats of foes before retools of skill distribution. I'd personally love to spend 20 Dance Gauge points to lower a boss' Strength by 20% during its tank buster cast before spending 20 more to boost the party's crit rate against it.
Pipe dream, though.
The main attribute question can be asked of almost any job. Monks don't merely punch through armor, they nimbly strike weak points. Bards don't merely move their hands quickly, they use strength to draw bowstrings back at unreasonable speeds. I'd wager it's Intelligence that lets a Scholar or Summoner understand the inner workings of biochemical warfare in spells. And if a Gunblade so much as shoots one single bullet, it opens the door for crying, "That's DEX!"
If we want more realistic attribute distribution, though, we'll play D&D. -
03-25-2019, 02:52 AMwereotterI think a lot of people were basing that speculation on FFXI alone and assuming dancer.... for me, however, my exposure to dancer was from FFVI and FFT where it definitely was NOT a healing job. FFVI it functioned more like a berserker role where once you assigned Mog a dance, that's all you get for the rest of the fight or until Mog dies. In FFT, it was a female only job (thankfully they didn't copy that over given races are gender locked... why not gender locked jobs too!) that you unlocked by mastering all the physical classes on a female character, and then it kept to the back dishing out debuffs and enemy damage, so definitely not a healer there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skivvy
As for the OP suggestion this is all a prank, if you believe that, you're only setting yourself up to be disappointed. Best you can hope for now is the addition of a healing job at a later time, and the expansion of the two new races later. They did say this was the last new races, so they can no pull the "technically" card if they want to make Male Viera and female Ronso later while still keeping true to their word that they're not adding a new race. At least this is my hope, they likely knew the player base wanted the Viera and they wanted a more beastial race, and the higher ups said they can only have one more race added, so they pulled a trick that will let them finish both down the line. -
03-25-2019, 03:03 AMBongaboi
I am sure a big [sic] announcement will take place on Apr. 1. My popped millioncorn and Ala Mhigan Salt and fermented butter is on standby.
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03-25-2019, 04:14 AMZanarkand-RonsoI will both Love and Hate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bongaboi
No matter how you view it, or no matter what side of the argument your on....either
-A- You'll think they Bent the knee for the loud Minority
or
-B- Think you won because you complained
So even if you are part of Camp
-C- They had this planned the whole time, April 1st was around the corner and the perfect time to bait and switch
It will still be an A vs B argument...which will just cause more chaos. -
03-25-2019, 04:19 AMAstril
I wish it were.
But i'm pretty sure its all legit. It'd be an awful lot of money and time to waste on a mere joke. -
03-25-2019, 04:20 AMvan_arn
So this is what denial looks like.
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03-25-2019, 04:25 AMDalmacus
Is this the next stage of anger? Denial? Well i hope after this you get to the acceptance level.
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03-25-2019, 04:49 AMCorue
They're going to do a repeat of Viangaa but with male Viera and female Hrothgar for April Fool's. I just know.
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03-25-2019, 05:31 AMKikoriLStages of grief. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalmacus
May as well get a head start on skipping anger and going straight to bargaining: crafting more Plush Cushions for everyone's favorite race.