What is the benefit

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03-23-2019, 12:36 PM
heynowjose

What is the benefit

If you didn't want male viera that's fine don't play one. But what is the benefit of gender locking races? Surely we learned our lesson from 1.0 when Roegadyn and Miqo'te were gender locked.

So why?
Obviously it's not "because of the lore" lets face it this game has a hundred and one ways it destroys lore and emersion on a daily basis. Yokai watch, Monster Hunter mount, ect.

So other than pissing people off what's the benefit?
03-23-2019, 12:37 PM
Canadane

Because why not?
03-23-2019, 12:38 PM
SonKevin

Lesson? What lesson was there? The only reason why they "unlocked" the genders was because they needed more hooks for ARR and it was super easy to just make new genders than new races.
03-23-2019, 12:39 PM
van_arn

I look forward to not seeing bunny boys running around everywhere, honestly. Catbois are enough, thanks.

Tigerbois are pretty cool, though. Insert skooma joke.
03-23-2019, 12:40 PM
Selova

Imagine being surprised at gender locked races in a asian mmorpg.
03-23-2019, 12:40 PM
BubblyBoar

The benefit is half the workload with only 1 gender for 1 of each race. The same "benefit" as BLU being limited.
03-23-2019, 12:41 PM
Gwenorai

Eh, don't bother asking dude. It's open season on salt - so you're gona get the 'lul get over it scrub' posts.
03-23-2019, 12:42 PM
Penthea

I would be less annoyed about the gender locking if we didn't essentially get a second miqo race that happens to be on steroids.

Don't get me wrong, I think ronso/hrothgar look cool. But we have a cat race already. And as a female cat race player I am so disappointed I can't be a big female cat. I'm stuck in the trope of being a petite female if I want to have bestial features.
03-23-2019, 12:46 PM
Vahlnir

They initially said that Viera would probably be the last race they'd ever make...it's obvious now that they were lying. Hrothgar gives us 2 new races but with 2 different clans. It would have been more work to do 2 genders for each I'm guessing. It was probably either Hrothgar or male Viera (which I'm sure more people actually wanted) so they decided to gamble and add 2 races instead of just one. It also throws a bone to the people who wanted a more bestial race to play as. It was a risky move that may or may not pay off. Time will tell.
03-23-2019, 12:47 PM
DarkDedede

Not sure what the big mystery is. I'd say it's pretty simple. Implementing half the genders requires half the work/effort/budget. There is nothing "locked" if there was no work done to begin with.
03-23-2019, 12:47 PM
spf1200

Lore is the reason? What is so hard to understand about that?
03-23-2019, 12:49 PM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Lore is the reason? What is so hard to understand about that?

We have fat chocobos flying for cake and we can dress up in pig suits. Lore went out the window a long time ago.
03-23-2019, 12:49 PM
Nandalowell

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I look forward to not seeing bunny boys running around everywhere, honestly. Catbois are enough, thanks.

Tigerbois are pretty cool, though. Insert skooma joke.

*Cries in female Khajiit*
03-23-2019, 12:51 PM
Canadane

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

We have fat chocobos flying for cake and we can dress up in pig suits. Lore went out the window a long time ago.

Pig suits aren't exactly lore breaking.
And are you saying you wouldn't fly for a nice piece of cake?

People won't always get what they want. But many people have been asking for a bestial race for a long time now. Ever since the initial 1.0 player poll back in the day.
And now we finally get it. SE listened to the players, just not the loud ones today.
03-23-2019, 12:52 PM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Pig suits aren't exactly lore breaking.
And are you saying you wouldn't fly for a nice piece of cake?

People won't always get what they want. But many people have been asking for a bestial race for a long time now. Ever since the initial 1.0 player poll back in the day.
And now we finally get it. SE listened to the players, just not the loud ones today.

I was more or less giving examples of some ridiculous things seen in game. If the cake was good enough though I would definitely find a way.
03-23-2019, 12:53 PM
Penthea

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Lore is the reason? What is so hard to understand about that?

Well ronso/hrothgar are from FFX and in that game the genders were not segregated or hidden in any manner so...basically SE changed the gender based lore for them but did not for viera. Which means lore is a weak argument for genderlocking.
03-23-2019, 12:54 PM
Vitallian

I hardly post on the forums at all. But there is NEVER a benefit to doing it at all. It's absurd, and it's one of the reasons why I hate fucking eastern mmo's. I'm on the fence about resubbing atm.
03-23-2019, 12:55 PM
Fawkes

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I would be less annoyed about the gender locking if we didn't essentially get a second miqo race that happens to be on steroids.

Don't get me wrong, I think ronso/hrothgar look cool. But we have a cat race already. And as a female cat race player I am so disappointed I can't be a big female cat. I'm stuck in the trope of being a petite female if I want to have bestial features.

Well blame everyone who didn't play a femroe. SE looked at the data and the data said "pretty much every female wants to be cute".
03-23-2019, 12:58 PM
Roda

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They initially said that Viera would probably be the last race they'd ever make...it's obvious now that they were lying. Hrothgar gives us 2 new races but with 2 different clans. It would have been more work to do 2 genders for each I'm guessing. It was probably either Hrothgar or male Viera (which I'm sure more people actually wanted) so they decided to gamble and add 2 races instead of just one. It also throws a bone to the people who wanted a more bestial race to play as. It was a risky move that may or may not pay off. Time will tell.

They didn't give us two races. They gave us two halves of two races.
1 finished product > 2 unfinished products.
I'd rather have one working bike than two halves of two separate cars.

And they didn't throw a bone to the people who wanted more bestial races. They threw a bone to people who exclusively play male characters who also want a bestial race.
I want a bestial race, but I only play female characters. I get nothing.
03-23-2019, 12:59 PM
Vahlnir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roda

And they didn't throw a bone to the people who wanted more bestial races. They threw a bone to people who exclusively play male characters who also want a bestial race.
I want a bestial race, but I only play female characters. I get nothing.

That's fair. You have a good point.
03-23-2019, 02:08 PM
Nabiri

Knowing that players don’t like this kind of restriction, I don’t understand why SE would create lore that’s excludes one gender.
This is a different world from FF12, there’s no reason for us not to have lore that is different from that world.
Why create restrictions?
Why write male viera in as rare?
03-23-2019, 02:11 PM
Enla

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I would be less annoyed about the gender locking if we didn't essentially get a second miqo race that happens to be on steroids.

Don't get me wrong, I think ronso/hrothgar look cool. But we have a cat race already. And as a female cat race player I am so disappointed I can't be a big female cat. I'm stuck in the trope of being a petite female if I want to have bestial features.

I think I'd be side eyeing it less if they gave us Lupin instead frankly. The assets are already there. Though I am interested in the new race and am glad we're /finally/ getting a beastly race to play, mono-gendered though it is. If it wasn't mono-gendered I'd be pretty excited but as of now I'm fairly lukewarm.
03-23-2019, 02:16 PM
TsurugiKoutetsu

I'm more surprised that people who have been playing the game for years are more than willing to quit the entire game over this,i could understand if the story ended up being underwhelming or the fights and class balance weren't great but how do people let bunny boys be the straw that breaks the camels back
03-23-2019, 02:19 PM
Mirakumi

The only thing SE could possibly do worse than now is if they have immediately announced that Male Viera / Female Hrothgar exist on April 1st.
Then say its a joke.

Just something that crossed my mind with April approaching.
03-23-2019, 02:39 PM
Shinku_Tachi

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Originally Posted by TsurugiKoutetsu

I'm more surprised that people who have been playing the game for years are more than willing to quit the entire game over this,i could understand if the story ended up being underwhelming or the fights and class balance weren't great but how do people let bunny boys be the straw that breaks the camels back

I honestly just take people exclaiming "I'm unsubbing" as all talk, because 9/10 that's what it is.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Knowing that players don’t like this kind of restriction, I don’t understand why SE would create lore that’s excludes one gender.
This is a different world from FF12, there’s no reason for us not to have lore that is different from that world.
Why create restrictions?
Why write male viera in as rare?

They're probably going to do something lore wise similar to what they did with Mithra and Galka in FFXI. As long as it has some sort of nice lore payoff, I really don't mind, personally.