Suggestion - Add a Tackle Box for Fishers

I'm sure this has been requested a dozenty hundred times, but thought it might be time to suggest again.

What I would really love to see for Shadowbringers is the addition of the Tackle Box for Fishers - a container to house various bait inside.

My suggestion for a middle ground means of implementing it - turn the spearfishing item into a Key Item and add a passive GP buff to offset the GP loss of the item.... or turn Spearfishing into a buff alone upon unlock and no item given or used.

Instead, use the secondary for the Tackle Box. This secondary could house more and more bait as the levels increase, along with keeping pace with the other two gatherer jobs due to their having secondaries already.

Right this moment, I have 55 different baits in my character's inventory. Sure that's way more than normal, but I am actively working towards the blessed rod, so I am all over the place going for the rarer fish - some of which take very particular bait and timing.

I use the chocobo saddle bag as my tackle box.

Hmm, I think that would reduce the amount of memory required for sure*. Wonder if it'd have a substantial impact on any gil sinks.

Also I would add you could include the Tackle Box with the Spearfishing Gig, such that they come together. In this way there could also be some more spears too, only that they also gain a box alongside that is also level appropriate (low level Spearfishing Gig now = low level Spearfishing Gig + low level tackle-box). Consider it like how Ninja have two daggers in one slot (it's one item I mean). Can maybe revive some of those 1.0 models :3.

Perhaps they could introduce new special fisher "materia" that crafting jobs and some NPC could sell. It'd increase stats as one would expect on gathering jobs but also increase the "ilvl" of your tackle box, meaning the lost gil from crafters could be subsidized in that change.

I was thinking before on similar lines of making it more memory efficient, although less so than the above I think lol, in that you research bait by gutting fishes in zones. Such that you can get bait from fishing and spearfishing in areas and gutting said fish (encouraging fishers to run around different areas to unlock new baits).

*Edit: Might have misunderstood the secondary slot idea you posted. I took it as level 50 tackle box would come with X bait, and a level 60 having an improved selection. If you meant as another type of saddle bag then obviously that'd not reduce memory lol. Not against that type of idea but I just imagine if we could make the system less intensive it might be easier to sell to SE.

I would rather they give us more inventory that we can use as we want then fragment our inventory into limited slots/bags like wow tends to do
Agreed I am not a real Fisher but you hardly need all those different baits. Most fish can be cought with a limited number of them. Just maybe slightly less efficient

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

I would rather they give us more inventory that we can use as we want then fragment our inventory into limited slots/bags like wow tends to do
Agreed I am not a real Fisher but you hardly need all those different baits. Most fish can be cought with a limited number of them. Just maybe slightly less efficient

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I think the OP was avoiding what you said by creating a compromise between the original tackle box threads long ago and this which is not limited slots/bags.

Unless I misunderstood OP, which is possible. So one of us needs clarification now haha.

I thought item that has X baits based on level. Higher level tackleboxes have more baits. Which would be very memory efficient. Level 50 item has all the baits of a level 40 item plus a few more. 55 item slots = 1 item slot now.

You're thinking tacklebox has slots to be filled, right? (Like WoW bags as you said).

OP, which was it meant to be?

Half of my inventory is taken up by fishing bait because I fish pretty frequently. I would love to see something like this in 5.0.

SE has shown us that they really only have one way to store items. The way we see in inventory, retainers and chocobo bags.
They may be able to do something like with the glamour dresser but with the limitations that has on taking things out I am not sure the system would work for tackle.
Perhaps it's better to do away with the items altogether and just give you the ability to select from all the possible baits and you would never run out?
Or just remove the vast majority of the baits/lures till you the amount is manageable.

Pretty sure chocobo saddle bag was their way of saying, "here's your tackle box". And they were even cool enough to not make it exclusive to bait. You can throw anything in there; even maps, allowing you more attempts without having to go back to your retainers to pick up more.

Maybe bait could be treated like currency instead. The tacklebox window would be like a currency window, and when you add bait to it you can't take it out, only use it.

So, this may be crazy - but why not just do an entire overhaul of the bait/tackle options and give 1 live bait, 1 lure, and your spearheads (which are OK already). Ensuring you have the right bait on you for any given hole isn't exactly difficult or exciting and is quite often a "set and forget" type move. Neither mining nor botany suffer with needing to bring additional tools to do their job - this would make fishing a bit more even with the other two.

Didn't Yoshi mention at one of the fanfests that they are planning to impliment something in ShB that'll help mitigate item clutter for Fsh? Doubt it'll be tacklebox since if it was something like that I'm sure he'd mention it specifically to hype expac even more.

Only thing I can think of is turning bait/lures into consumable items that unlock them for fsh then having a separate skill window to select which bait/lure you want to use?

As someone who went through the hell of getting the latest I Caught That achievement, I agree that there seriously needs to be a separate place for storing fishing bait, because you're going to need to have a lot of different baits on hand while you're zone hopping for the ARR big fish.

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Originally Posted by Ariel_Valmont

I use the chocobo saddle bag as my tackle box.

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For me, it's my Eureka Box.

Honestly I'm more in favour of using the currency tab for bait. I don't really need or want another inventory pane I have to open and sort.

The dev team are well aware of this request, they have been asked directly for many years

What about remove the baits altogether and substitute them with "bait type" unlocks? Archers doesn't have to buy arrows, afterall.

Well my original thought process was to come up with something that was more of a meet in the middle scenario that would be more likely be implemented. In a perfect world, yeah, not a fan of that much more micromanagement of inventory issues. We have more than enough of that already. But I also understand and appreciate this is an MMO and inventory management is always a factor to be considered.

The idea of the tackle box being a secondary item (like the miner sledgehammer) would give a way to slowly upgrade the available slots in said box (say a low level one has 4 slots, and later ones have 40+) to keep inventory management considerations in the mix if that's the intention, along with keeping the stats the same as the other two DoL jobs. Might streamline the process if DoL BiS is a single number across all three instead of it applying to only two and then something different for fisher because of the spearfishing rod that never upgrades.

I can see why some people would use their chocobo saddlebag as their impromptu tackle box. I've been doing that some as well, moving bait in and out as needed, but there is still just so much of it.

Really they should just consolidate all the bait. A tackle box wouldn't solve the bigger issue of having a million types of bait in the first place. Make it four types of bait per expansions (a leveling bait and lure, and a scripts bait and lure) and call it a day.

The tackle box takes the same kind of memory space as a regular inventory, and it's also loaded along with everything else every time you zone somewhere or enter a duty. Instead of adding a tackle box they gave us more inventory slots since they use the same resources, and gave us a saddlebag for the extra stuff you immediately need. Make use of what you were given.

The only QoL change I'd request is for fisher to directly access the baits and tackles stored in the saddlebag.

Fishers have been asking for this for years. A lot of us use the saddlebag. I like the idea of making it currency or consolidating, though. Having to stand there trying out multiple types of bait to find the one that works is just annoying, and doesn't really add to fishing's appeal.

It probably has been suggested but I wonder if they could just add a another slot to the Armory chest for fishing bait or another slot thing within the inventory interface.

tackle box that works like a currency menu
and a spoil bag for all DoL stuff

saddle bag more of a band-aid then a actual thing for it.

I'd like to see something similar to ESO's 'crafting bag.' Unlimited storage for mats & fishing bait/lures. That might mean consolidating the number of resources that can be gathered, but I think that could be readily accomplished by, say, reducing the ridiculous number of items required for CUL recipes.

Could they just add an option to use the saddlebox directly from the bait menu...?

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Could they just add an option to use the saddlebox directly from the bait menu...?

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Then I feel players would be calling for the Saddlebag to be accessible in Eureka as well considering how much stuff you can obtain in there. Bait would definitely benefit from having a seperate tab in the Armoury Chest, the stuff is essentially off-hand tools for FSH similar to the other DoH/L have so why not.

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Right this moment, I have 55 different baits in my character's inventory. Sure that's way more than normal, but I am actively working towards the blessed rod, so I am all over the place going for the rarer fish - some of which take very particular bait and timing.[/QUOTE]

And, that's just plain nuts.. At least, you should be able to obtain ONE lure for each expansion that can be used to catch any type of fish. RW: Worms and minnows will pretty much attract anything.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

The tackle box takes the same kind of memory space as a regular inventory, and it's also loaded along with everything else every time you ...enter a duty....

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It have no use in a duty and I think it can be safely kept out, as happens with sabblebox.

I would suggest that "IF" they add a tacklebox, they should also add a botany pack and Miner pack to reduce congestion of the other gather's as well. When I do gathering, I gather until my inventory is full. I usually sell the mats, mainly because I hate crafting in this game and haven't forced myself to level them very high yet.

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Originally Posted by Nyxn607

I would suggest that "IF" they add a tacklebox, they should also add a botany pack and Miner pack to reduce congestion of the other gather's as well.

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That's not a meaningful comparison. All jobs fill up their inventories over time, be it from mining ore, catching fish, or just killing things for drops. The difference is that fishing requires bait -of which there are over 60 types- meaning your inventory could be almost full before you even start. I have over 20 types of bait in my saddlebag and I'm not even a serious fisherman.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

It have no use in a duty and I think it can be safely kept out, as happens with sabblebox.

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Actually, it would have use in some duties... Let's take Diadem for example, you can fish there. Sure, it's a one-off example, but it's still an example that needs to be accounted for. Now if they could somehow separate Diadem into a different type of duty that loads it, that could work.

Speaking of... can the Saddlebag etc be loaded when visiting other realms (e.g. me visiting Louisoix), or is it just going to be treated as a duty without a time limit?

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Then I feel players would be calling for the Saddlebag to be accessible in Eureka as well considering how much stuff you can obtain in there. Bait would definitely benefit from having a seperate tab in the Armoury Chest, the stuff is essentially off-hand tools for FSH similar to the other DoH/L have so why not.

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I was just thinking that "linking" it to an already existing tab would be far easier than creating an all new menu and system for it.

Honestly, fishing is probably the only crafting and gathering thing WoW did at least somewhat better than FFXIV. In WoW you didn't have bait, but the downside was that there were special fishing nodes that'd go away after catching 3-4 fish from them. And the worst part was they were shared, meaning someone stealing your fish. But the no bait thing made it more pleasant since inventory didnt congest so much.

There's certain appeal for having a plethora of different fish to catch, but having to have different baits that take inventory space from other stuff is very, very restricting and a vain labor for players. I've read two pages of this thread and not a single post defends the baits that take up inventory space. Having baits in the currency tab would be a very welcome thing for an enthusiasted fisher like me.

I think they should rework the whole system. We have dozens of different baits wich have only a limited use.

They should just copy the system we have for spearfishing. There are 3 different gig heads wich take no inventory space at all.

My idea is to scrap like almost all of the baits.

Let's keep 3 different ones for salt water, another 3 for fresh water, 2 for cloud and sky fishing and 1 for desert, hell and aether fishing.

That's 9 different baits wich take no inventory space and as a side effect you will not need to buy new bait all the time because they will not be consumed anymore.

Just cut it down to ONE fishing lure per expansion. Once you've caught at least one every fish available in the exp, you gain an achievement that lets you buy a non-consumable fishing lure that lets you catch every fish in the current and all previous expansions. The current system of separate baits for every fish is just a waste of space and time, which is why I lost interest in fishing (and cooking) early on.
Or, turn the baits into fishing "techniques". You use one, and learn how to catch that fish with no further consumables.
Imagine mining or botany, if you had to use a different consumable item for every thing you gathered?

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

The current system of separate baits for every fish is just a waste of space and time

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Well, you can catch different fish with different bait in the same fishing spot. Or you can catch a specific fish with bait A more often than wit bait B. I agree that we have too many different baits, but we need a few to change the RNG in our favor. Having only one bait for every fish reduces your chances to catch the fish you actually want compared to the current system.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Just cut it down to ONE fishing lure per expansion. Once you've caught at least one every fish available in the exp, you gain an achievement that lets you buy a non-consumable fishing lure that lets you catch every fish in the current and all previous expansions. The current system of separate baits for every fish is just a waste of space and time, which is why I lost interest in fishing (and cooking) early on.
Or, turn the baits into fishing "techniques". You use one, and learn how to catch that fish with no further consumables.
Imagine mining or botany, if you had to use a different consumable item for every thing you gathered?

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i, on the other hand, wish they are separate these bait even more, i think in SB they kind of go simple these bait abit, so the number of bait go down, and several fishs that share the same bait make fishing is one hell of RNG heavy and it's annoying

i also think that they intend to make chocobo bag to ppl to hold on these bait, only thing i wish that we can choice bait direct from chocobo bag so i dont need to swap back and forth those thing between 2 inventory, and turn some quest item bag into normal inventory bag, currently we have a whole 3 quest item bag and i swear that i never manage to use even half of one bag since the time i play FF14 game

Can this topic, and all the threads about it, PLEASE DIE FOREVER?