Will Shadowbringers double the slots...?

Item slots in housing were doubled for Stormblood, so it's not unheard of. I'm still hopeful Shadowbringers will finally make it possible to decorate the other half of my large FC house.

I highly doubt it. There's no word either way from what I'm aware, but my understanding of the doubling was that it was a "huge overhaul needed" and that if they do give us more, it'll be in smaller amounts.

Doubt that. The only housing that really needs double, IMO, is the mansions. You can easily make medium houses look lived in even with just 300 (though I wouldn't say no to more), but considering larges are like 2.5x the size of a medium, an extra 100 slots isn't enough.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Doubt that. The only housing that really needs double, IMO, is the mansions. You can easily make medium houses look lived in even with just 300 (though I wouldn't say no to more), but considering larges are like 2.5x the size of a medium, an extra 100 slots isn't enough.

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Agreed. If I had to ask for the bare minimum, I feel like mediums need 50 and larges 100. I could easily do with 100/200, but I feel like that's enough to stop it from feeling like you have to wall off half your home (in the case of a large) or just do without those last little touches (for a medium). Smalls are perfect.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Agreed. If I had to ask for the bare minimum, I feel like mediums need 50 and larges 100. I could easily do with 100/200, but I feel like that's enough to stop it from feeling like you have to wall off half your home (in the case of a large) or just do without those last little touches (for a medium). Smalls are perfect.

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Yeah, it's those last little touches that kill me on my house. I'm always having to pull stuff from other places to make any changes or fill something out completely. And the mansions absolutely need some love.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Agreed. If I had to ask for the bare minimum, I feel like mediums need 50 and larges 100. I could easily do with 100/200, but I feel like that's enough to stop it from feeling like you have to wall off half your home (in the case of a large) or just do without those last little touches (for a medium). Smalls are perfect.

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I ran out of items before finishing my small, not by much, only need another 10 or so to properly put the finishing touches to it, but still I wouldn't say smalls (or apartments for that matter) are perfect. .

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I ran out of items before finishing my small, not by much, only need another 10 or so to properly put the finishing touches to it, but still I wouldn't say smalls (or apartments for that matter) are perfect. .

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I feel like it all depends on how much you're using item sets as other items (like crafting modern kitchens, etc.) I've definitely seen smalls that were just way, way too crowded and cluttered... but I know when we had our small we definitely could have added a couple of extra items, so I can absolutely see this. I just never felt as if our small was "sterile" without those few items, whereas our medium feels like a showroom without any personality.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I ran out of items before finishing my small, not by much, only need another 10 or so to properly put the finishing touches to it, but still I wouldn't say smalls (or apartments for that matter) are perfect. .

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Things like this are why I say all housing spaces should get double their item slots. While people can decorate an apartment/fc room, or a small, with the item slots given, there are just so designs that call for more than that, and it leads to people banging their head on the item limit ceiling. It also doesn't help that so many item slots go into things like walling off the damn windows and wall mounted pillars. I feel like if we could just remove those, there would be a lot less hassle.

I'm also of the opinion that it's always better to have more slots than you know what to do with, than to not have enough, and have to endlessly pick and choose what you want to put in, what you want to take out, and what detail is being sacrificed for a design. With how often they add new items, it would be nice to just be able to throw the new stuff down into a house with out having to spend half an hour debating what needs to be taken out for the new item to go down.

I don't think you need 800 slots for a mansion. If I had just 500 I would probably be fine, 600 would let me do the special projects. But I don't think I would ever make use of 800.

I remember I used the brick wall decoration to make my kitchen, took dozens of the items. Then I wanted to make a deck around the oriental tub in my basement, but I didn't have enough items left to place all the items to make it and the stairs. So I had to choose one. If I had even 100 more slots I could have done both.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

I don't think you need 800 slots for a mansion. If I had just 500 I would probably be fine, 600 would let me do the special projects. But I don't think I would ever make use of 800.

I remember I used the brick wall decoration to make my kitchen, took dozens of the items. Then I wanted to make a deck around the oriental tub in my basement, but I didn't have enough items left to place all the items to make it and the stairs. So I had to choose one. If I had even 100 more slots I could have done both.

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I could easily use 800 items for a mansion. There is so much that I just can't have in the house with 400 slots. I could probably use 800 and still want more honestly.

Would more for ALL be great? Of course. But we have to remember strains and resource usage. Smalls, by and large, can be decorated fairly easily with the current item limit, I have one that is PLASTERED with small items everywhere. Mediums on the other hand can be a stretch already and fine touches are nearly impossible to do except maybe here and there with specific designs. Large houses though? I still have to see a mansion that wasn't either by design left with HUGE empty spaces, or had easily half the space walled off to make the decorated space look like anything but an empty loft.

So smalls aren't in a bad place right now, while large are still in a VERY bad place, and mediums in a "meh" place (as mentioned in my own post about the same topic recently).

Just look at the differences in available space between small, medium and large and you can see how almost ridiculous it is to give mediums only 100 items more, large 200 more, while they have MULTIPlES of space compared to a small with 200 items max.

I think in the end it comes down to priorities -- there are fewer people with mediums and larges, but they still suffer considerable problems, which makes getting a medium or large feel easily like a dream that then falls flat on its face once you get to set up your new "home". Considering this overall resource hogging might be less (?) by increasing their slots due to lower numbers, yet it would also impact fewer people. Increasing the amount for all, apartments and smalls included, would be a massive strain on the resources... and we have to ask how many owners of smalls and apartments would actually really benefit in any significant way from it. I honestly can't answer that question for sure, and I doubt anyone can.

Personally though I think that in terms of priority bandaging a hemorrhaging wound (nearly ALL larges remaining 50-75% empty and without any finishing touches, and mediums are often also left without finishing touches or worse) takes precedent over one that is just occasionally twitching a bit (some specific designs for smalls here and there could do with a bit more items).

So if possible double all? OF COURSE. But if it is a matter of priorities... larges and mediums need it far, far more to make them considerably more "worthwhile" beyond just having more gardening slots.

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Originally Posted by Chiami

Would more for ALL be great? Of course. But we have to remember strains and resource usage. Smalls, by and large, can be decorated fairly easily with the current item limit, I have one that is PLASTERED with small items everywhere. Mediums on the other hand can be a stretch already and fine touches are nearly impossible to do except maybe here and there with specific designs. Large houses though? I still have to see a mansion that wasn't either by design left with HUGE empty spaces, or had easily half the space walled off to make the decorated space look like anything but an empty loft.

So smalls aren't in a bad place right now, while large are still in a VERY bad place, and mediums in a "meh" place (as mentioned in my own post about the same topic recently).

Just look at the differences in available space between small, medium and large and you can see how almost ridiculous it is to give mediums only 100 items more, large 200 more, while they have MULTIPlES of space compared to a small with 200 items max.

I think in the end it comes down to priorities -- there are fewer people with mediums and larges, but they still suffer considerable problems, which makes getting a medium or large feel easily like a dream that then falls flat on its face once you get to set up your new "home". Considering this overall resource hogging might be less (?) by increasing their slots due to lower numbers, yet it would also impact fewer people. Increasing the amount for all, apartments and smalls included, would be a massive strain on the resources... and we have to ask how many owners of smalls and apartments would actually really benefit in any significant way from it. I honestly can't answer that question for sure, and I doubt anyone can.

Personally though I think that in terms of priority bandaging a hemorrhaging wound (nearly ALL larges remaining 50-75% empty and without any finishing touches, and mediums are often also left without finishing touches or worse) takes precedent over one that is just occasionally twitching a bit (some specific designs for smalls here and there could do with a bit more items).

So if possible double all? OF COURSE. But if it is a matter of priorities... larges and mediums need it far, far more to make them considerably more "worthwhile" beyond just having more gardening slots.

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I back this logic 100%. I've managed to spread things out over my medium to a comfortable degree so the place looks lived in and there aren't any obvious bare spots, but there's still things I'd like to add and things I'd like to do that I just can't.

Well I just posted some time ago a thread here, where I asked for your opinion about my Mansion. Because I considered to actually reloacte to a small house. (My FC owned a Mansion but I have only 3 active member (me included) in it anymore).

In the end I decided to keep the Mansion and try redecorating again.... but now I actually did relocate because even if I had 1000 items for a Mansion, it is simply too big. It's mostly only me in the house anyway and I am a Lala and I always felt so small.. now I am extremely happy with the small one and (I hope) made someone else happy with the free Mansion then. :)

My personal house is a medium where I closed off like over the half of my basement to make it look lived in. I think SE would already help us if we 1. could dye wallpapers (or at least the white one) and 2. if we could remove those stupid wall-pillars....

But yeah I could EASILY decorate a Mansion with 800+ items, as well. Still I think I prefer a small home. (for my purposes)

An FC mate hired me to decorate his mansion for him a while back. He wanted an oriental style Inn and bar for rp reasons and MAN that was hard to do with 400 slots! There was so much I wanted to put in that I simply could not. I mean, we got something he liked in the end, and I managed to make it not look too empty, buuuuut there's still a few long stretches of unbroken wall.

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Originally Posted by Alyanna_Elingval

I don't think you need 800 slots for a mansion. If I had just 500 I would probably be fine, 600 would let me do the special projects. But I don't think I would ever make use of 800.

I remember I used the brick wall decoration to make my kitchen, took dozens of the items. Then I wanted to make a deck around the oriental tub in my basement, but I didn't have enough items left to place all the items to make it and the stairs. So I had to choose one. If I had even 100 more slots I could have done both.

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I'm an in-game interior designer. I make themed houses that require a lot of slots to create unique furniture pieces. There is a community of players who see the housing feature as an art form and for us, 800 items would still be hard to work with. To get the same item to space ratio as in an apartment, we would need 1600 slots in a mansion. This only sounds like a lot because we are currently forced to work with only 400. I'm sure if we had 1600 our designs would become so elaborate that we'd even hit that ceiling.

You may be fine with 500 items but that doesn't mean that's really enough for those hard-core designers. Technically, if I used the furniture as intended, I could easily fill a mansion with 50 items but that's quite boring and restrictive to creativity

Wild Star had the best housing in the MMO universe, bar none. Too bad their dungeons were for the elite gaming set and not the average player or they'd still be an up and growing community.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

Item slots in housing were doubled for Stormblood, so it's not unheard of. I'm still hopeful Shadowbringers will finally make it possible to decorate the other half of my large FC house.

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It's possible since we are adding more data centers Though I would expect them to add wards over increase item slots.

with the server split cutting the PFs in half, trippling the waiting in PFs, making light farming in Pyros near impossible (at least on EU servers)

really ATLEAST EXPECT MORE HOUSING DISTRICTS when Shadowbringer launched!!!

ok SE?