You make 1 billion dollars off this game a year at a mininum.

I'm absolutely livid. As a 1.0 player that has tried on every attempt to get a house, at any size, on my legacy server since the beginning of its rushed release in 2.0 i am at the point where I'm going to start point fingers on your earnings, as a investor in SE since 2003 it disappoints me that you can generate over one billion american dollars off this game a year and not solve such a simple problem. You have the income to supply enough wards to people that want house yet you milk subscription money and add less content with every expansion. That one billion in annual revenue does not count your cash shop. I get income reports for SE as a shareholder and i can visibly see the earnings of this game. It sickens me to know end. So take my advice and if you do not want to add more wards than necessary add a log in survey to the launcher and ask how many players want to buy a house, and do they have the Gil currently to support it. Verify account gil, then on new ward release add the correct amounts based on statistical data instead of being greedy. I did not want to have to post this information, but last night i finally got a hold of a small plot and placed my house after camping and spamming for 9 hours straight, competing with 3 other people. Once i had won i logged off to rest only to find once i logged back in someone else had ownership of my plot. This game has a sustainability amount of content locked behind housing to the point where it is 37.63% of this games content. Something needs to be done with the income you are earning off of me and other players, other wise im just going to quite and sell my shares off while the game is still in a semi good state. The content is getting duller every expac and less content is being added, so do yourself a favor and prevent your stocks from turning into what blizzard activisions is and actually care for your game like you did at the beginning of 2.0

Sounds to me that you just didn't actually click buy. Housing is in a bit of a short supply because NA servers have had their demolition timer shut off since Oct. due to natural disasters. Hopefully it'll be turned on soon. Also, I think you were reading the earnings sheet wrong.

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Originally Posted by Fouraces

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A lot of that money is going to be pumped back into the company though. People need to get paid, projects must be funded, advertising needs to be done. Who knows how much is left after all that is taken into account. I'm not disputing that SE have the money to tackle the housing issue, because they do. But that big number on its own is a bit misleading. We don't actually know how much of a budget FFXIV gets. It may not be enough to fix housing and continue to give us the rest of the content we're accustomed to getting regularly.

And before anyone gets into a tizzy over how the money FFXIV makes should only be used for FFXIV, let me remind you that the money to make that game in the first place obviously came from elsewhere. It didn't spontaneously appear. It's standard practise to use money from one project to fund others.

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So take my advice and if you do not want to add more wards than necessary add a log in survey to the launcher and ask how many players want to buy a house, and do they have the Gil currently to support it.

Verify account gil, then on new ward release add the correct amounts based on statistical data instead of being greedy.

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What does this mean? Add wards equal to the amount of players who have enough gil to purchase houses? What about those who are gifted gil to buy a house? These people won't be counted. Or how about anyone who changes their mind? It would make more sense for SE to add enough wards to facilitate all the active accounts on the server that do not have a private home on any character on that server.

Well honestly it would make more sense for SE to give us proper instanced housing but that's another discussion on its own, and one that has been relentlessly repeated already on the forums.

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I did not want to have to post this information, but last night i finally got a hold of a small plot and placed my house after camping and spamming for 9 hours straight, competing with 3 other people. Once i had won i logged off to rest only to find once i logged back in someone else had ownership of my plot.

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If this really happened why not make a GM ticket? They won't give you the house back but they may refund you the gil if you lost the house due to a bug, and if they can see logs showing that you did purchase it.

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This game has a sustainability amount of content locked behind housing to the point where it is 37.63% of this games content.

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One third of the game's content is locked behind housing? Uh...that's very far from the truth. Very very far. I love the housing but one third is a huge exaggeration.

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Something needs to be done with the income you are earning off of me and other players, other wise im just going to quite and sell my shares off while the game is still in a semi good state. The content is getting duller every expac and less content is being added, so do yourself a favor and prevent your stocks from turning into what blizzard activisions is and actually care for your game like you did at the beginning of 2.0

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Personally I'm enjoying the game a lot and I don't see a drop in quality of the expansions or patches, but much of this comes down to personal taste. I don't disagree that SE should address the housing situation properly. The ward system is unsustainable and it constantly dooms far too many players to be unfairly left out of content. It's a disgrace that it has continued for this long.

I agree with the original post. A significant portion of this game's content is locked behind the housing wall. There should be entire continents in the game devoted to player owned housing as well as a player driven economy. The housing mechanics are incredible, but only a very small amount have access to these features as they are very exclusive. I am honestly very surprised how exclusive housing is. There are F2P games with less exclusivity in this regard. One thing that has been established in this post is that the ward system is incredibly awful, especially considering SE's standard of quality.

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I'm absolutely livid. As a 1.0 player that has tried on every attempt to get a house, at any size, on my legacy server since the beginning of its rushed release in 2.0 i am at the point where I'm going to start point fingers on your earnings, as a investor in SE since 2003 it disappoints me that you can generate over one billion american dollars off this game a year and not solve such a simple problem. You have the income to supply enough wards to people that want house yet you milk subscription money and add less content with every expansion. That one billion in annual revenue does not count your cash shop. I get income reports for SE as a shareholder and i can visibly see the earnings of this game. It sickens me to know end. So take my advice and if you do not want to add more wards than necessary add a log in survey to the launcher and ask how many players want to buy a house, and do they have the Gil currently to support it. Verify account gil, then on new ward release add the correct amounts based on statistical data instead of being greedy. I did not want to have to post this information, but last night i finally got a hold of a small plot and placed my house after camping and spamming for 9 hours straight, competing with 3 other people. Once i had won i logged off to rest only to find once i logged back in someone else had ownership of my plot. This game has a sustainability amount of content locked behind housing to the point where it is 37.63% of this games content. Something needs to be done with the income you are earning off of me and other players, other wise im just going to quite and sell my shares off while the game is still in a semi good state. The content is getting duller every expac and less content is being added, so do yourself a favor and prevent your stocks from turning into what blizzard activisions is and actually care for your game like you did at the beginning of 2.0

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Housing wasn't released in 2.0.
No one cares about your literal 1 share of this company.
You obviously do not understand how purchasing a plot works in this game if you log back in and "your" plot is owned by someone else.
37.63% of this game's content. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Yes, Square Enix will go bankrupt once you stop playing. Tragic.

Over 1/3rd of the game content is housing? I'm... I'm pretty sure that is grossly exaggerated with all the raids, dungeons, gold saucer, story, pvp, tons of jobs to level as far as gathering, crafting, and combat combined and so forth. Housing is honestly a part of the game you could completely ignore and not really miss much to be honest. Is it nice to have a little safe haven to yourself that you can, for the most part, make in your image? Sure. Is it over a third of the game's content to play and enjoy? Personally, gonna go with a pretty big no on that front.

Housing in this game isn't the best, and could for sure use a bit of attention and there are people unhappy with this, I get that. Another thing a notable amount of people are unhappy with was Eureka, myself being one of them. They do care about this game, they have attempted new things and if they are poorly received have even went as far putting the effort into attempted to make it right instead of just letting it sit there as wasted space. Diadem comes to mind, they really did try with it, and even shut it down to redo it's system. It still wasn't very well received but they at least put in the effort to it.

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I agree with the original post. A significant portion of this game's content is locked behind the housing wall. There should be entire continents in the game devoted to player owned housing as well as a player driven economy. The housing mechanics are incredible, but only a very small amount have access to these features as they are very exclusive. I am honestly very surprised how exclusive housing is. There are F2P games with less exclusivity in this regard. One thing that has been established in this post is that the ward system is incredibly awful, especially considering SE's standard of quality.

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What's a significant portion? Housing doesn't lock MSQ, side quests, leves, guildhests, raids, trials, FATEs, hunts, treasure maps, beast tribes, DoH/DoL...

The only thing housing locks is a few items available through gardening and workshops, and most of the unique items coming out of workshops are used only for housing or the workshops themselves.

Everyone has access to housing via apartments. Don't exaggerate the situation. Apartments might lack the gardening, workshops and an outdoor area to furnish but they're still a space to decorate and call a home.

I laugh at your " F2P games with less exclusivity in this regard". I played RIFT for several years. Dimensions were great - and pretty much locked behind a massive paywall even if you were subscribed (you only got one tiny 50 item Dimension for free). At least there's no paywall here outside of the standard subscription fee.

Yes, there is room for improvement in housing in FFXIV but you're really getting overly dramatic about it.

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This game has a sustainability amount of content locked behind housing to the point where it is 37.63% of this games content.

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Okay I'll bite. That's a pretty specific number. Would you mind letting us know how you got that?

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Okay I'll bite. That's a pretty specific number. Would you mind letting us know how you got that?

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Lol! This level of lying shenanigans is insane. Maybe OP was writing a fanfic entry about how the game works from their perspective and the people reading this saying "I agree, the game is locked behind a housing wall" are just in it for the ride.

I want to believe we don't have people like this in our community.

I am curious. I have an apartment, an FC room, a house, tenant access to two other houses, and full access to our FC house. I'd like to know what this magic content is that I'm missing, because short of decorating and crossbreeding, I got nothing. Even deco and chocobo stables become accessible as soon as you get an apartment and I highly doubt every single apt in every ward and subdivision in every area is full...

I got good confirmation that SE, actually makes over $5 billion in us dollars revenue from this game. And I have 2 houses I bought but have left to rot for a while now. Don't know what to do with them anymore?

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It would make more sense for SE to add enough wards to facilitate all the active accounts on the server that do not have a private home on any character on that server.

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This please!

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I got good confirmation that SE, actually makes over $5 billion in us dollars revenue from this game. And I have 2 houses I bought but have left to rot for a while now. Don't know what to do with them anymore?

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You could demolish them and free them up for others who would make better use of them.

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I am curious. I have an apartment, an FC room, a house, tenant access to two other houses, and full access to our FC house. I'd like to know what this magic content is that I'm missing, because short of decorating and crossbreeding, I got nothing. Even deco and chocobo stables become accessible as soon as you get an apartment and I highly doubt every single apt in every ward and subdivision in every area is full...

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The only real 'content' that is being missed out on is airships/subs/the workshop in general for FCs. There isn't that much in there though, realistically.

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The only real 'content' that is being missed out on is airships/subs/the workshop in general for FCs. There isn't that much in there though, realistically.

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There really isn't. Maybe OP just... added up every item in the game and divided it into a percentage? There are a lot of housing decos. But that still all just falls under "decoration", one concept. And again, even that isn't restricted if you get an apt.

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There really isn't. Maybe OP just... added up every item in the game and divided it into a percentage? There are a lot of housing decos. But that still all just falls under "decoration", one concept. And again, even that isn't restricted if you get an apt.

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That still wouldn't equate to housing being a third. There are several times more gear and crafting materials in the game than there are furnishings.

I mean I am all for additional wards. But adding wards dynamically would probably be harder to implement and result in issues on heavy pop realms like Balmung.

They way i came up with the specific numbers is by going through every patch note released to the game, and found housing related content. If we are talking on a content added per patch note basis. There are a lot of housing decorations. Housing did release in 2.0 AKA base game or realm reborn. I'm not going to get down on patch level because I like to generalize, on unimportant points when writing. I also took into consideration how certain housing advantages helped the economy during the 2.0 cycle exc. Apartments were not always a thing so i weighted them being added differently effecting that number. I did a significant amount of math had my GF check it because she also plays. Everything she saw sounds reasonable from a content standpoint. To those shouting gold saucer exc. A lot of those activities give housing rewards. SE makes more than a billion a year, to the person that wants to quote me. I said "At a minimum" So kindly read the full header before spewing non since. I own more than 1% of shares, i'm not some middle classer, i have investments everywhere. Mostly in the housing market of Florida, but a lot of my passive income i put into the gaming and technology industry. I don't need to brag about accomplishments, however. That's not the point of the post. The point was for me to establish they have the money to solve the problem, and i can see that they are not putting it to use. I have been all for instanced housing since before they even introduced the wards into the game. We are coming up on the games, third expansion pack and all they have done is try bandaid fixes for the system, which in my personal view is a counter productive was of solving the problem and a waste of money and company assets. To the person who said i don't know how housing works and i did not have ownership of the house. Please tell me how i can buy the plot, install my house start decorating, and then log out because i'm tired, log in and have the plot i just bought become someone elses? Seems fishy, as someone that understands programming, and was a network/server administrator as my first gig, before flash was even a thing, and has taken all sorts of college in many fields for the sake of being able to master technology, mechanical or server side so i can actually contribute something meaningful for my generation, and generations to come. Unless i could get into and read the logs i have no logical explanation how that can happen, without tempering with the system itself. While i do like the modding, community, i feel like they opens the doors to more malicious intended things, and SE hands off approach is a little bit too hand's off for my liking. If it's was my servers or program, i'd lock it down as tight as possible. I'd honestly hate to see, how these servers are set up irl, seeing how they set it up would probably make me cringe. The game is playable, it is fun, it's just sad this problem is still a factor, when it can be solved.

Walls of random text don't impress people or lend weight to whatever argument you're trying to make. Nor does deciding to "generalize on unimportant points while writing".

Your personal wealth is irrelevant. It doesn't make you smarter or more important than the poorest player. We all pay to play the game.

None of the content you mentioned exists because of housing. The content exists for other reasons and offers far more rewards of types other than housing items. You haven't done merely as much research as you claim if you think housing is that significant a portion of all content in the game just because housing items are one of the many different rewards the content offers. Might as well claim that Lords of Verminion is the real focus of the game considering all the minions also rewarded by that same content.

You've had plenty of opportunity to acquire a house by moving to a server that had houses available. You chose not to. If you feel like you're missing out on a part of the game content that appeals to you, it's your own fault. Available housing in NA has currently dried up temporarily between the suspension of the demo timer and SE's free gil giveaway to house owners who will be transferring off world during the free transfer period but there will be a lot of available housing once those things are finished.

As for your house you claim you bought and lost, contact the Game Masters. No one here can help you. Nothing we might say has any meaning to the Game Masters who investigate such claims. If you had actually purchased the house, they would see the gil transaction registering on your account for both the plot and estate permit purchases. If you had actually bought it and lost it through some glitch, then it seems like that gil should be restored to your account.

"As a 1.0 player..."

Then you should know the game in its current state is built on the graveyard that is 1.0 and instead of ghosts, you get crap for coding.

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I own more than 1% of shares, i'm not some middle classer, i have investments everywhere. Mostly in the housing market of Florida, but a lot of my passive income i put into the gaming and technology industry. I don't need to brag about accomplishments, however. That's not the point of the post.

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Yet I have 4 houses and you dont. If I was able to acquire that in a legacy server, so could you. Hell, several people in my FC who started just a couple months ago each have a house.

Sorry, but for not being the point you were really bragging about how much money you have and how much more you know about everything than everyone else in that wall of text devoid of paragraphs.

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So either your methodology is flawed, or your counting is. Using the garland tools database i just pulled up the item list for patch 4.5. Patch 4.5 added 475 items, 56 of which are housing related. Then 4.55 added 214 more with 2 being for housing. Thats less then 10%. Patch 4.4 was similar(60 housing items out of 966 between 4.4 and 4.45). I could keep going back, but there isnt a point. And the vast majority of these housing items are furniture. The content you do with furniture is decorating - which isnt locked from anyone because apartments are a thing. Not having a house blocks seed cross breeding(very few things) and it stops an FC from making airships and subs(which dont lead to that many things either). Youre also wrong about when housing was added(FC housing was 2.1, private chambers in 2.3, and personal homes in 2.38). And you said in your original post that the company makes more then a $1 billion per year off this game. Im sure SE makes a few billion annually as a company, but the revenue generated by this game in particular isnt that much. While the company doesnt publicly release subscriber counts(the "14 million accounts" thing they advertise is accounts created, including those no longer active and those that never made it past the free trial to invest any money into the game), most estimates based on measurable information put the actual number in the 400-500k range. A million monthly subscribers spending $20 a month(so adding retainers or cash shop items EVERY month) would be less then a quarter billion, with a realistic sub figure spending $13 a month adding up to like 60 million annually. Id love to know what it actually costs to run the game, but we know its a sizable chunk of that figure. So no, this game is no billion dollar cash cow, its profit is probly in the $10 mil range if i had to take a guess.

All of that is just to say youre wrong. Id still love to see them fix everything they can, implement more and better housing, and in general just make things better. But me agreeing that id like to see improvements doesnt make you less wrong.

"I have money IRL what do you mean I can't use it to buy everything I want, anywhere? How is this a fair system?"